Covid-19 mRNA Vaccines Win Nobel Prize for Medicine 2023

[Eleftheros]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Trust the experts,

After the last 3 years of mistakes, misstatements, omissions, lies, half-truths and other nonsense, trust in "experts" across the world is at an all-time low.

 

No wonder the general public take-up of this unending series of "booster" shots is in the toilet.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

13 minutes ago, atpeace said:

No he did not and do a fact check.  It is Ok to be wrong but please think a little before attacking the keyboard.

 

Wanna talk about harmful misinformation....

 

Nearly 50 people in North Texas drank bleach this month and officials are warning people it won't prevent or cure coronavirus

Aug 27, 2020

...

"The Texas Poison Center Network said in a statement that it's seen a 71% uptick in calls involving bleach products, and a 63% uptick in calls involving other household cleaners.

 

Poison control centers, bleach manufacturers, and experts issued warnings earlier this year about the hazards of injecting or ingesting bleach after President Donald Trump speculated at an April press conference about injecting disinfectant to kill the coronavirus. He later said he had been speaking sarcastically."

 

https://www.insider.com/texans-drink-bleach-poison-control-warns-wont-cure-coronavirus-2020-8

 

 

[owl sees all]

17 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Injecting bleach? Drinking bleach?  Keep reaching

 

I looked into this at the time.

 

I think what Mr Trump was saying that a spray - like some antiseptic to make the breath smell nice - will kill off any nasties in the throat. I was thinking dentistry. But he definitely didn't say, or imply drinking bleach, as he was widely ridiculed for, by people that didn't like him.. I think the bleach came about because the Chinese were spraying the sidewalks of some towns.

 

That's my take on that era.

[atpeace]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Wanna talk about harmful misinformation....

 

Nearly 50 people in North Texas drank bleach this month and officials are warning people it won't prevent or cure coronavirus

Aug 27, 2020

...

"The Texas Poison Center Network said in a statement that it's seen a 71% uptick in calls involving bleach products, and a 63% uptick in calls involving other household cleaners.

 

Poison control centers, bleach manufacturers, and experts issued warnings earlier this year about the hazards of injecting or ingesting bleach after President Donald Trump speculated at an April press conference about injecting disinfectant to kill the coronavirus. He later said he had been speaking sarcastically."

 

https://www.insider.com/texans-drink-bleach-poison-control-warns-wont-cure-coronavirus-2020-8

 

 

Biden said it not Trump.  Biden made a false claim that Trump stated drinking bleach prevented Covid which can be fact checked.  I don't blame Biden.  Fools will be fools.   I think the location (not Texas) has something to do with the logic displayed here. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Yes, let's talk about public officials spreading harmful COVID misinformation.

Some Americans Are Tragically Still Drinking Bleach As A Coronavirus ‘Cure’

Aug 24, 2020

 

"Despite months of warnings that it’s unsafe, some Americans are still attempting to self-treat for coronavirus by drinking bleach products, prompting Georgia officials to send out a warning that doing so could be fatal.

...

Using household disinfectants to treat Covid-19 has become a troubling issue during the coronavirus pandemic, which hasn’t been helped by President Donald Trump suggesting unproven remedies.

 

At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route).”

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some-americans-are-tragically-still-drinking-bleach-as-a-coronavirus-cure/

 

[Dan O]

19 minutes ago, atpeace said:

No he did not and do a fact check.  It is Ok to be wrong but please think a little before attacking the keyboard.

 

You claimed he said inject and drink bleach which you know he never said at this point but you are still determined to be right.  

 

You do know that many  disinfectants kill the virus?  Wouldn't advice consuming most if any.  They were  used extensively to clean surfaces during Covid. 

I "paraphrased" what he said and that is what he was saying and  implying until he was immediately corrected and stopped by Dr Birx. Your comment about disinfectants killing the virus on the surface is what triggered his reply if you actually saw the press conference.  I watched the briefing so I didnt pull this from social media or other sources.

 

Its not about me being right in this instance, my comments are showing how ridiculous the context of this whole discussion about how "people" deceived them with misstatements, poor communication and statements taken  out of context. Almost every mis-statement I know of on both sides were corrected quickly and were not long lived and on going as implied by some posters. there was plenty of accurate info on both sides of the situation available. So take your own advice and dont be a aggressive keyboard warrior.

[atpeace]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Yes, let's talk about public officials spreading harmful COVID misinformation.

Some Americans Are Tragically Still Drinking Bleach As A Coronavirus ‘Cure’

Aug 24, 2020

 

"Despite months of warnings that it’s unsafe, some Americans are still attempting to self-treat for coronavirus by drinking bleach products, prompting Georgia officials to send out a warning that doing so could be fatal.

...

Using household disinfectants to treat Covid-19 has become a troubling issue during the coronavirus pandemic, which hasn’t been helped by President Donald Trump suggesting unproven remedies.

 

At an April news conference, Trump wrongly suggested injecting disinfectant as a potential treatment, leading the makers of Lysol to release a statement saying "under no circumstance should our disinfectant products be administered into the human body (through injection, ingestion or any other route).”

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/nicholasreimann/2020/08/24/some-americans-are-tragically-still-drinking-bleach-as-a-coronavirus-cure/

 

Again, Trump never stated injecting bleach or any disinfectant.  Source other than an article misstating what he said.  You know he never stated this and it easy to confirm he didn't.  This is how you build trust?  Even CNN's fact check makes it blatantly obvious that it isn't true.  

[atpeace]

6 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I "paraphrased" what he said and that is what he was saying and  implying until he was immediately corrected and stopped by Dr Birx. Your comment about disinfectants killing the virus on the surface is what triggered his reply if you actually saw the press conference.  I watched the briefing so I didnt pull this from social media or other sources.

 

Its not about me being right in this instance, my comments are showing how ridiculous the context of this whole discussion about how "people" deceived them with misstatements, poor communication and statements taken  out of context. Almost every mis-statement I know of on both sides were corrected quickly and were not long lived and on going as implied by some posters. there was plenty of accurate info on both sides of the situation available. So take your own advice and dont be a aggressive keyboard warrior.

Wow - thanks for a whole lot of nothing. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

30 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

I looked into this at the time.

 

I think what Mr Trump was saying that a spray - like some antiseptic to make the breath smell nice - will kill off any nasties in the throat. I was thinking dentistry. But he definitely didn't say, or imply drinking bleach, as he was widely ridiculed for, by people that didn't like him.. I think the bleach came about because the Chinese were spraying the sidewalks of some towns.

 

 

There were multiple reasons why normal people came away from Trump's comments that day thinking about bleach...

 

1. when Trump talks about "disinfectants," the average citizen is probably going to start thinking about bleach, which is the most common consumer disinfectant.

 

and 2. "bleach" was a topic of discussion that day at Trump's briefing just before he veered off into his now infamous "disinfectant" misinformation rant.

 

Specifically:

 

"Trump spoke about the role he thought disinfectants could play in tackling an infection caused by the virus during a now infamous April 23 briefing. But he didn’t say people should drink bleach.

 

His comments came after William Bryan, the undersecretary for science and technology at the Department of Homeland Security, presented a study that found sun exposure and cleaning agents like bleach can kill the virus when it lingers on surfaces.

 

Trump remarked on the effectiveness of those methods and wondered if they could help address infections in the human body."

 

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

 

Hence "disinfectants" became thought of as "bleach."

 

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Again, Trump never stated injecting bleach or any disinfectant.

Wrong about injecting!  In his own words:

 

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me."

 

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Again, Trump never stated injecting bleach or any disinfectant.  Source other than an article misstating what he said.  You know he never stated this and it easy to confirm he didn't.  This is how you build trust?  Even CNN's fact check makes it blatantly obvious that it isn't true.  

Trump. Injecting disinfectant 

 

[Keep Right]

New COVID vaccine push is ‘anti-human,’ says Florida surgeon general:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/new-covid-vaccine-push-anti-human-says-florida-surgeon-general-major-safety-concern

 

So very true but the lemmings need their fix, stupid is as stupid does.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And then there was more from Trump on harmful COVID misinformation:

 

23.11.2020

 

"From March 1 to April 30, 2020, Donald J Trump made 11 tweets about unproven therapies and mentioned these therapies 65 times in White House briefings, especially touting hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. These tweets had an impression reach of 300% above Donald J Trump’s average. ... The same is true for medications on Amazon, with purchases for medicine substitutes, such as hydroxychloroquine, increasing by 200%."

 

https://www.jmir.org/2020/11/e20044/

Journal of Medical Internet Research

 

 

Hydroxychloroquine: how an unproven drug became Trump’s coronavirus 'miracle cure'

7 Apr 2020

 

This weekend, Donald Trump used his daily White House coronavirus briefings to again urge Americans to take hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malaria drug that has not been shown to be safe or effective against Covid-19.

 

 

“What do you have to lose? Take it,” the president said on Saturday as he boasted that the US had amassed 29m doses of the drug. On Sunday, facing questions from the press about his aggressive promotion of an unproven treatment, he argued against waiting for the completion of clinical trials."

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/hydroxychloroquine-trump-coronavirus-drug

 

And what was known at the time:

 

July 1, 2020 Update: A summary of the FDA review of safety issues with the use of hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to treat hospitalized patients with COVID-19 is now available. This includes reports of serious heart rhythm problems and other safety issues, including blood and lymph system disorders, kidney injuries, and liver problems and failure."

 

https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-and-availability/fda-cautions-against-use-hydroxychloroquine-or-chloroquine-covid-19-outside-hospital-setting-or

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

37 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

New COVID vaccine push is ‘anti-human,’ says Florida surgeon general:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/health/new-covid-vaccine-push-anti-human-says-florida-surgeon-general-major-safety-concern

 

So very true but the lemmings need their fix, stupid is as stupid does.

As for Ladapo, another documented fringe vaccine misinformation peddler:

 

Florida surgeon general altered COVID-19 study findings

 

April 25, 2023

 

Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo altered important findings in a COVID-19 study with the intent to spread misinformation about vaccine safety.

 

Ladapo personally made changes to a study about COVID-19 vaccines last year that suggested the vaccines had higher health risks for young men than the rest of the medical community established.

...

His changes, which were revealed by a public records request by the new outlet, specifically altered the risks of cardiac death to appear more severe than previous versions of the study, Politico reported.

 

https://healthexec.com/topics/clinical/COVID-19/florida-surgeon-general-altered-covid-19-study-findings

 

Report: Florida officials cut key data from vaccine study

April 8, 2023

 

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — An analysis that was the basis of a highly criticized recommendation from Florida's surgeon general cautioning young men against getting the COVID-19 vaccine omitted information that showed catching the virus could increase the risk of a cardiac-related death much more than getting the mRNA shot, according to drafts of the analysis obtained by the Tampa Bay Times.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/report-florida-officials-cut-key-150016558.html

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Concluding excerpt of CDC and FDA's public response to Ladapo, well put:

 

March 10, 2023

 

"We stand firmly behind the safety and effectiveness of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, which are fully supported by the available scientific data.

 

Staying up to date on vaccination is the best way to reduce the risks of death and serious illness or hospitalization from COVID-19.

 

Misleading people by overstating the risks, or emphasizing the risks without acknowledging the overwhelming benefits, unnecessarily causes vaccine hesitation and puts people at risk of death or serious illness that could have been prevented by timely vaccination."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2023/p0313-letter.html

 

Couldn't have said it better myself!

 

 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Keep Right]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9876036/

 

I will take my chances rather than put an exploratory drug in my body. But the lemmings want the fix to make them feel better. The problem is that no one knows the long term effects of this drug, even scientists.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

38 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9876036/

 

I will take my chances rather than put an exploratory drug in my body. But the lemmings want the fix to make them feel better. The problem is that no one knows the long term effects of this drug, even scientists.

Everything anyone needs to know about your link are reflected in two key terms in the title -- "potential" and "hypothesis."  In short, it's proving nothing.

 

And from an author at an institution that's right at the center of COVID vaccine research (sarcasm alert) -- Autonomous University of Queretaro, Mexico.

 

And published in a dubious "pay for play" journal, Medical Hypotheses, that charges to publish pretty much anything that anyone wants to submit.

 

"Medical Hypotheses is a fringe journal published by Elsevier that’s long been known for publishing pseudoscience, such as antivax and HIV/AIDS denial."

 

https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2021/04/21/medical-hypotheses-is-back-and-its-pushing-antimask-disinformation/

 

And the same journal has been the host to blatant misinformation before, including the following:

 

https://retractionwatch.com/2021/04/29/mask-study-was-misleading-and-misquotes-citations-says-elsevier/

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/new-medical-hypotheses-editor-promises-not-stir-controversy

 

https://www.aidstruth.org/news/2009/elsevier-retracts-duesberg’s-aids-denialist-article/

 

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

And through all the muck.... presidents who advocate injecting disinfectant to treat COVID, anti-vax state medical officials who alter their agency's vaccine reports to tout misinformation, and fringe journal articles that traffic in pseudoscience....

 

There's been no credible challenge to the multiple studies already posted here from multiple, different credible entities around the world finding that COVID vaccines saved many millions (tens of millions) of lives during the first year or two of the pandemic, and prevented serious COVID illness and hospitalization by millions of more people.

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

(world)

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

 

 

Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths

(U.S.)

 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

 

Over 1 million lives saved across Europe by COVID-19 vaccines since the end of 2020

(Europe)

 

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/986127

 

Follow the facts. Listen to the experts. Seek credibility instead of misinformation.

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rattlesnake]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

"How on earth did it get to this?"

 

I think as you mentioned, social media has been responsible for much of it, it draws together these people in droves:

 

This study reviewed 170 studies involving over 158,000 participants associated with conspiratorial thinking, mainly from the United States, the United Kingdom and Poland. 

 

Here's just a few reasons the study mentions but lots more context in the article.

 

The researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others.

The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric.

https://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2023/06/why-people-believe-conspiracy-theories

"The researchers also found that people with certain personality traits, such as a sense of antagonism toward others and high levels of paranoia, were more prone to believe conspiracy theories. Those who strongly believed in conspiracy theories were also more likely to be insecure, paranoid, emotionally volatile, impulsive, suspicious, withdrawn, manipulative, egocentric and eccentric."

 

Yep, that's me. Bang on the money as always, Brian.

[rattlesnake]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Trump. Injecting disinfectant 

 

He was talking about chlorine dioxide and he was absolutely right. Trump did a great job of informing the public of the available treatments for Covid.

Edited October 3, 2023 by rattlesnake

[cdnvic]

Nobody should be citing politicians as sources of medical information. As well, it's not relevant today what some politician said or did years ago regarding Covid. They aren't experts, they're mouthpieces. If you want to talk real science and medicine, this is the place. If you want to discuss politicians, please do it elsewhere. That goes for all involved in this discussion. Further political talk, and medical misinformation will be deleted without comment.

[rattlesnake]

Pfizer's 2022 revenue was 100 billion dollars. Moderna's was 18.4 billion dollars. Is health the crux of the issue here?

 

The Covid pandemic drives Pfizer’s 2022 revenue to a record $100 billion

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/01/31/the-covid-pandemic-drives-pfizers-2022-revenue-to-a-record-100-billion.html

 

Moderna reaped $18.4B in COVID vaccine sales last year, projects at least $5B in 2023

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/moderna-covid-vax-scarfed-sales-184b-2022-company-says

Edited October 3, 2023 by rattlesnake

[Eleftheros]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Follow the facts. Listen to the experts. Seek credibility instead of misinformation.

Be a good citizen. Question nothing. Get in line. Do as we say. Roll over. Sit up and beg.

[xylophone]

11 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Everything anyone needs to know about your link are reflected in two key terms in the title -- "potential" and "hypothesis."  In short, it's proving nothing.

 

And from an author at an institution that's right at the center of COVID vaccine research (sarcasm alert) -- Autonomous University of Queretaro, Mexico.

 

And published in a dubious "pay for play" journal, Medical Hypotheses, that charges to publish pretty much anything that anyone wants to submit.

 

"Medical Hypotheses is a fringe journal published by Elsevier that’s long been known for publishing pseudoscience, such as antivax and HIV/AIDS denial."

 

https://www.respectfulinsolence.com/2021/04/21/medical-hypotheses-is-back-and-its-pushing-antimask-disinformation/

 

And the same journal has been the host to blatant misinformation before, including the following:

 

https://retractionwatch.com/2021/04/29/mask-study-was-misleading-and-misquotes-citations-says-elsevier/

 

https://www.science.org/content/article/new-medical-hypotheses-editor-promises-not-stir-controversy

 

https://www.aidstruth.org/news/2009/elsevier-retracts-duesberg’s-aids-denialist-article/

 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

And through all the muck.... presidents who advocate injecting disinfectant to treat COVID, anti-vax state medical officials who alter their agency's vaccine reports to tout misinformation, and fringe journal articles that traffic in pseudoscience....

 

There's been no credible challenge to the multiple studies already posted here from multiple, different credible entities around the world finding that COVID vaccines saved many millions (tens of millions) of lives during the first year or two of the pandemic, and prevented serious COVID illness and hospitalization by millions of more people.

COVID vaccines saved 20M lives in 1st year, scientists say

(world)

https://apnews.com/article/covid-science-health-england-54d29ae3af5c700f15d704c14ee224b5

 

 

Two Years of U.S. COVID-19 Vaccines Have Prevented Millions of Hospitalizations and Deaths

(U.S.)

 

https://www.commonwealthfund.org/blog/2022/two-years-covid-vaccines-prevented-millions-deaths-hospitalizations

 

Over 1 million lives saved across Europe by COVID-19 vaccines since the end of 2020

(Europe)

 

https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/986127

 

Follow the facts. Listen to the experts. Seek credibility instead of misinformation.

 

It matters not that you/we point out that there is much reliable and scientific information available as regards the Covid vacination because there are many conspiracy theory types posting on here who will push back on this and post all sorts of nonsense.......some quoting complete rubbish from the already discredited "Americas Frontline Doctors" website as well as others. What I find amazing is that they actually believe this nonsense.

 

But there again they are the same sort of people who believe the 2020 election was stolen and that 'The Sandy Hook" massacre which killed 26 people, including 20 children who were between 6 and 7 yrs old was a hoax....

 

I am afraid that AN has become a rallying point for the conspiracy theorists, trumpies and the anti-vax campaigners and not a place where sane discussion can be had......very sad IMO. 

 

 

[xylophone]

And yet more good news re the MRNA vaccines......

 

What's Next? The Future of mRNA Vaccines for “Every Imaginable Infectious Disease”

The mRNA platform created at Penn Medicine ignited a global renaissance in RNA biology research. Scientists in industry and at universities worldwide are finding new and innovative ways to use mRNA technology to prevent and treat disease.

“We're working on every imaginable infectious disease."

 

Drew Weissman, MD, PhD, Roberts Family Professor in Vaccine Research

mRNA Vaccines for Infectious Diseases

 

Before COVID-19 erupted, a Penn-developed mRNA influenza (flu) vaccine was already in clinical trials. This existing work directly contributed to the speed at which drug makers could produce the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

With fast development and production times, mRNA vaccines are ideal for protection against new infectious diseases and variants of existing ones. Our researchers are at the forefront of mRNA vaccines for numerous infectious disease vaccines.

 

mRNA Vaccines for Cancer

While the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 and other infectious diseases prevent disease, mRNA technology can also help treat existing diseases like cancer. The platform's flexibility allows researchers to create mRNA cancer vaccines that activate the immune system to attack cancer cells.

 

Much, much more good news on this website….

 

https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna

 

[atpeace]

13 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Wrong about injecting!  In his own words:

 

"And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning, because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that, so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me."

 

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

 

Read the quote and stop being foolish.

 

He never told people to inject and you know this.  He was asking questions and commenting on what he was told.  He never told people to inject bleach or anything for that matter.  Hey, I'm not a fan of Trump but get over it. He "never" told people to inject bleach or anything(vaccines excluded)  in this news conference.   

 

He stated it was interesting and doctors should look into it.   He was told disinfectants kill the virus and his mind made the leap that doctors should look into injecting it.  I never claimed he was rational and have no idea how he comes up with some of the things he states as entertaining as some of his off hand comments are and I wouldn't have been surprised I he told people to inject bleach in the news conference but he simply did not.

 

If Biden or Fauci told you injecting clorax was interesting (not told you to inject it) and doctors need to look into it, would you replace sugar with clorax in your coffee. I'm a little wiser than you I guess.  

 

How you get from the quote supplied that he is telling people to inject bleach is mind boggling and entertaining.

 

 

[impulse]

16 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

He was correct in the general sense, in that as has been almost universally acknowledged by numerous experts around the world -- excluding some random anti-vaxers here with no credible sources....

You mean the credible sources that they've tried so hard to sweep from view?

 

Edit:  Great to see there's a court case making its way up the appeals process, discussing limits on gub'ment behavior when it comes to violating 1st Amendment rights to discuss things like Covid.

 

Edited October 4, 2023 by impulse

[Bkk Brian]

59 minutes ago, xylophone said:

And yet more good news re the MRNA vaccines......

 

What's Next? The Future of mRNA Vaccines for “Every Imaginable Infectious Disease”

The mRNA platform created at Penn Medicine ignited a global renaissance in RNA biology research. Scientists in industry and at universities worldwide are finding new and innovative ways to use mRNA technology to prevent and treat disease.

“We're working on every imaginable infectious disease."

 

Drew Weissman, MD, PhD, Roberts Family Professor in Vaccine Research

mRNA Vaccines for Infectious Diseases

 

Before COVID-19 erupted, a Penn-developed mRNA influenza (flu) vaccine was already in clinical trials. This existing work directly contributed to the speed at which drug makers could produce the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.

With fast development and production times, mRNA vaccines are ideal for protection against new infectious diseases and variants of existing ones. Our researchers are at the forefront of mRNA vaccines for numerous infectious disease vaccines.

 

mRNA Vaccines for Cancer

While the mRNA vaccines for COVID-19 and other infectious diseases prevent disease, mRNA technology can also help treat existing diseases like cancer. The platform's flexibility allows researchers to create mRNA cancer vaccines that activate the immune system to attack cancer cells.

 

Much, much more good news on this website….

 

https://www.pennmedicine.org/mrna

 

Finally back on topic!!

 

Promising news for Malaria vaccines too

 

Scientific breakthrough harnesses mRNA technology to develop powerful malaria vaccine
A new mRNA vaccine targeting immune cells in the liver could be the key to tackling malaria, a disease that causes over half a million deaths each year according to the World Health Organization, yet has no effective long-lasting vaccine.

Trans-Tasman research collaborators from Te Herenga Waka— Victoria University of Wellington’s Ferrier Research Institute and the Malaghan Institute of Medical Research in New Zealand, and the Peter Doherty Institute for Infection and Immunity in Australia have developed an mRNA-based vaccine that can effectively target and stimulate protective immune cell responses against the malaria-causing parasite Plasmodium in preclinical models.

https://www.doherty.edu.au/news-events/news/mrna-technology-to-develop-powerful-malaria-vaccine

[xylophone]

18 hours ago, Keep Right said:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9876036/

 

I will take my chances rather than put an exploratory drug in my body. But the lemmings want the fix to make them feel better. The problem is that no one knows the long term effects of this drug, even scientists.

Well, the mRNA aspect of the vaccine has been worked on and studied since the 1960s, but there was a problem in finding a way to get it delivered into the cells, however this was overcome when a method was found in the 1970s when nanotechnology advances were made.

 

More tests were carried out in the 1990s so when Covid hit, scientists and the medical profession were prepared.

 

Huge increases in funding for this research was spurred by the Covid 19 pandemic and allowed a huge increase in research into the area.

 

So it's hardly an exploratory drug (the research into it was being carried out over 60 years ago) and the same could be said for many other drugs and vaccines in use today (did the medical establishment know the potential long-term effects of the polio vaccine, for example, and the same goes for many others) so scaremongering is high on the list of the anti-brigade.

 

I put my trust in the medical profession rather than social media websites and the rubbish that gets posted on them.

 

https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/the-long-history-of-mrna-vaccines 

Edited October 4, 2023 by xylophone

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1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Well, the mRNA aspect of the vaccine has been worked on and studied since the 1960s, but there was a problem in finding a way to get it delivered into the cells, however this was overcome when a method was found in the 1970s when nanotechnology advances were made.

 

More tests were carried out in the 1990s so when Covid hit, scientists and the medical profession were prepared.

They were prepared with everything but real tests on real people, because that would have been considered unethical.   Covid was a perfect reason to unleash the experiment.

 

Bottom line, we don't know what the long term effects will be simply because it hasn't been a long term.

Realizing that I'm speaking from a database of one, I'd give just about anything to go back and undo my 2nd Pfizer and get my health back.