jerrymahoney Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 A group of 48 police officers from the Immigration Bureau on Friday filed a complaint with the new National Police chief, Pol General Torsak Sukwimol, claiming that a senior officer of the Metropolitan Police Bureau (MPB) had falsely accused them of malfeasance and taking bribes. The bureau's senior officer reportedly accused 48 officers of violating sections 149 and 157 of the Criminal Code by filing a complaint at a police station in Khon Kaen province in the northeastern region. Section 149 prohibits the accepting of bribes by state officials while Section 157 covers malfeasance in office. https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/general/40031661 Khon Kaen ??? Say it isn't so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I think this is related to the Tua Hao case? And looks like an attempted "Clean up"? https://www.voanews.com/a/criminal-charges-expected-in-thailand-over-chinese-immigration/7007882.html#:~:text=More than 100 Thai immigration,to set up criminal businesses. Big Joke passed this one along to the NACC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 are they starting to turn on each other 555 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jerrymahoney Posted October 6, 2023 Author Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2023 Seems that Khon Kaen is of the favorite 'addresses of convenience' for the agent-assisted crowd, 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJack54 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said: Seems that Khon Kaen is of the favorite 'addresses of convenience' for the agent-assisted crowd, That's been the case for years. Even for agents in Pattaya sending passports up to kk.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 3 hours ago, jerrymahoney said: Seems that Khon Kaen is of the favorite 'addresses of convenience' for the agent-assisted crowd, Yes a nest of corruption and illegally given extensions (allegedly) Does this mean the agents will be looking elsewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post proton Posted October 6, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: That's been the case for years. Even for agents in Pattaya sending passports up to kk.. Time this illegality was stopped then, Nan is another favourite. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Purdey Posted October 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2023 Never accuse someone without solid evidence. Interesting to see how this plays out. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I've got a framed very ornate certificate hanging over my work desk at home thanking me for my ongoing support for the families of immigration officers over the years. I never got one from the bank. A little grease goes a long way. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topt Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, bradiston said: I've got a framed very ornate certificate hanging over my work desk at home thanking me for my ongoing support for the families of immigration officers over the years. I never got one from the bank. A little grease goes a long way. Why did you need to grease the wheels of immigration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bradiston Posted October 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 minute ago, topt said: Why did you need to grease the wheels of immigration? I'll take the 5th on that one. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BritTim Posted October 7, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted October 7, 2023 56 minutes ago, Purdey said: Never accuse someone without solid evidence. Interesting to see how this plays out. In Thailand, take legal advice before accusing someone, even with incontrovertible evidence of the truth of your allegations. The defamation laws in Thailand are draconian, and the fact that you are telling the truth does not change the fact that the other person suffers reputational damage. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Zioner Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, BritTim said: The defamation laws in Thailand are draconian, and the fact that you are telling the truth does not change the fact that the other person suffers reputational damage. Indeed, guess why? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted October 7, 2023 Author Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Purdey said: Never accuse someone without solid evidence. Interesting to see how this plays out. In the linked OP Nation article it says: In the linked OP Nation article it says: "The complainants said the evidence and the statement used to file charges against them had been obtained illegally by the senior officer, who was appointed deputy chief of the investigation committee." so at least currently the 48 Khon Kaen officer complainants are only objecting to the provenance of the evidence, not that the evidence is bogus. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunsetT Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 21 hours ago, jerrymahoney said: A group of 48 police officers from the Immigration Bureau on Friday filed a complaint with the new National Police chief, Pol General Torsak Sukwimol, claiming that a senior officer of the Metropolitan Police Bureau (MPB) had falsely accused them of malfeasance and taking bribes. The bureau's senior officer reportedly accused 48 officers of violating sections 149 and 157 of the Criminal Code by filing a complaint at a police station in Khon Kaen province in the northeastern region. Section 149 prohibits the accepting of bribes by state officials while Section 157 covers malfeasance in office. https://www.nationthailand.com/thailand/general/40031661 Khon Kaen ??? Say it isn't so. 48 Officers? That must have been a mighty fat brown envelope they handed over with the complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul1804 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 What, Immigration officers taking bribes, I dont believe it, this could not be true from this fine upstanding bunch of hardworking officials !!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamnutsak Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 This is definitely the bulk of the Immigration officials involved in the Tu Hao case who were from Khon Kaen. Big Joke buried this mess with the NACC back in March. This sounds like some officers are trying to fight against the NACC recommending prosecution? At least three have the word general in their titles. Now the immigration offices where the alleged bribes were taken have been named for the first time. They are: Chiang Mai Nakhon Ratchasima Khon Kaen Sakhon Nakorn Chaiyaphum Kalasin Phrae Yasothon and Roi-Et. https://aseannow.com/topic/1287361-former-immigration-chief-big-joke-comes-full-circle-charges-against-107-allegedly-corrupt-immigration-officers-laid/ https://aseannow.com/topic/1288744-100000-pages-of-evidence-in-40-boxes-big-joke-prepares-cases-against-116-corrupt-immigration-men-offices-named/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surasak Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Like everything in Thailand, nothing is consistent. Its like the tea from one cafe to another, they are never the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoshowJones Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, paul1804 said: What, Immigration officers taking bribes, I dont believe it, this could not be true from this fine upstanding bunch of hardworking officials !!!! Taking bribes is like prostitution in Thailand. It does not exist, so it is unfair to blame immigration officers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jesimps Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, topt said: Why did you need to grease the wheels of immigration? Because he could afford to probably and I'd do the same if I had the money. Edited October 7, 2023 by jesimps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandtee Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 I'm flabbergasted. In fact my flabber has never been so gasted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muhendis Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, bamnutsak said: Now the immigration offices where the alleged bribes were taken have been named for the first time. They are: Chiang Mai Nakhon Ratchasima Khon Kaen Sakhon Nakorn Chaiyaphum Kalasin Phrae Yasothon and Roi-Et. Poor old Buriram got left out again............???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proton Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, bamnutsak said: This is definitely the bulk of the Immigration officials involved in the Tu Hao case who were from Khon Kaen. Big Joke buried this mess with the NACC back in March. This sounds like some officers are trying to fight against the NACC recommending prosecution? At least three have the word general in their titles. Now the immigration offices where the alleged bribes were taken have been named for the first time. They are: Chiang Mai Nakhon Ratchasima Khon Kaen Sakhon Nakorn Chaiyaphum Kalasin Phrae Yasothon and Roi-Et. https://aseannow.com/topic/1287361-former-immigration-chief-big-joke-comes-full-circle-charges-against-107-allegedly-corrupt-immigration-officers-laid/ https://aseannow.com/topic/1288744-100000-pages-of-evidence-in-40-boxes-big-joke-prepares-cases-against-116-corrupt-immigration-men-offices-named/ I expect a few on here who have extensions from these places they do not live in might be sweating a bit when it comes time to hand the bribes over to their agents next time ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokwit Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 58 minutes ago, proton said: I expect a few on here who have extensions from these places they do not live in might be sweating a bit when it comes time to hand the bribes over to their agents next time ???? Reading between the lines of the two non charged bikers in the murder case, living somewhere whilst having a TM30 and TM47 filed in another place is a deportable offence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigt3116 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 10 hours ago, mokwit said: living somewhere whilst having a TM30 and TM47 filed in another place is a deportable offence. Any link to that? I only see a mention of a fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerrymahoney Posted October 7, 2023 Author Share Posted October 7, 2023 13 hours ago, NoshowJones said: Taking bribes is like prostitution in Thailand. It does not exist, so it is unfair to blame immigration officers. Sure. But after you and Ms. Lek have had your fun, Ms. Lek does not stamp and sign your passport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Phoenix Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, proton said: I expect a few on here who have extensions from these places they do not live in might be sweating a bit when it comes time to hand the bribes over to their agents next time ???? Yes, this might turn ugly for farangs that got their Permission to stay through a Fixer Agent that bribed these Khon Kaen Imm Officers to 'overlook' that the financial requirements were not met. Note that the complaint of these Imm Officers is NOT that the accusation is untrue, but that the NACC Senior Officer that filed the charges did not officialy report that he did so to his boss, according to procedure. And in their defence, NACC might well decide to build a stronger case against those Imm Officers, not only by addressing the Tua Hoa Chinese immigrant case that triggered this whole affair, but also zooming in on any other cases of corruption. Farangs staying in Thailand on an 'illegally acquired Permission to stay from the Khon Kaen Imm Office' might thus become the collateral damage of such a Thai Immigration in-fight. Edited October 8, 2023 by Red Phoenix 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritTim Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said: Farangs staying in Thailand on an 'illegally acquired Permission to stay from the Khon Kaen Imm Office' might thus become the collateral damage of such a Thai Immigration in-fight. If this does happen, which is possible but unlikely, the consequences for the farangs will be similar to that faced by those who received the dubious volunteer visas and extensions. They will not face prosecution for what were, at the end of the day, valid extensions. However, their future interactions with Immigration will become more difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mokwit Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, bigt3116 said: Any link to that? I only see a mention of a fine. Could have been BJ overreaching the law, but he said they were in IDC awaiting deportment and visa offences were given as their "crime". Edited October 8, 2023 by mokwit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 On 10/6/2023 at 5:57 PM, Mavideol said: are they starting to turn on each other 555 Bound to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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