2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're tripping.

A two stqte solution is even more remote now.

Netanyahu is toast, but there is zero chance that Israel will elect a dovish government probably for generations.

What I would like to happen is obviously very far removed from what will actually happen.

 

Netanyahu is toast? 

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Nothing like a war to increase the conservative vote.

All demagogues know this.

It worked a treat for Ariel Sharon.

Israel's President gave an up to update on the situation today and included more disturbing details including:

 

“There was no reason at all for this flaring up which ended in the worst tragedy that was ever inflicted in the history of Israel, and the highest number of Jews killed since the Holocaust, including Holocaust survivors.”

Herzog described some of the first responders accounts of the events, that Hamas had thrown grenades into cars and others were shot as they escaped with their bodies in ditches. The president’s own advisor was mobilized to collect bodies, and said there was a family of 5 that had been tied up together, burned, and shot.

"The injuries that were found on the bodies of the killed, the people the rescue teams who I met in the past two days, found signs of torture on the bodies unlike anything they had ever seen in decades of dealing with things like war and terror."

 

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1697102264-herzog-we-are-targeting-an-enemy-part-of-an-empire-of-evil

16 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

More straw man nonsense.

You've conflated multiple issues into a confused mess of gibberish that makes no sense.

 

My comment that you have just responded to was written in clear concise English; how you could be confused by it is beyond me, but I suggest you take the issue up with whichever authority was responsible for your English language tuition.

1 minute ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What I would like to happen is obviously very far removed from what will actually happen.

 

Netanyahu is toast? 

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Nothing like a war to increase the conservative vote.

All demagogues know this.

It worked a treat for Ariel Sharon.

You don't get it. His previous supporters hate him now for FAILING to protect Israel. It's a war time unity government now but after Israel crushes Hamas, Netanyahu will be shown the door and you can bet the house the new leadership will not be peaceniks. It's like you're living in an alternative reality and fail to grasp what happened. 

1 minute ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Ha ha ha ha … did you not understand that he said; hundreds of Hamas affiliated accounts ….. so that would be all those Hamas apologist bozos on here repeating things as fact ….. ha ha ha, classic foot shooting, brilliant.

No I understood exactly what has been removed.

I read the Bangkok Post article mentioned.

Disinformation, from all sources, is harmful.

The truth is more important than point scoring.

 

Best you check your own foot for a bullet hole.

 

 

3 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

What I would like to happen is obviously very far removed from what will actually happen.

 

Netanyahu is toast? 

Maybe.

Maybe not.

Nothing like a war to increase the conservative vote.

All demagogues know this.

It worked a treat for Ariel Sharon.

Sharon was removed from office (as defense minister) after the war with Lebanon in 1982 (of which he was a major instigator).

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You don't get it. His previous supporters hate him now for FAILING to protect Israel. It's a war time unity government now but after Israel crushes Hamas, Netanyahu will be shown the door and you can bet the house the new leadership will not be peaceniks. It's like you're living in an alternative reality and fail to grasp what happened. 

Time will tell.

 

Some things change, some remain the same.

 

I am quite fond of Lenin's quote:

 

"There are decades where nothing happens and there are weeks where decades happen"

Just now, Morch said:

Sharon was removed from office (as defense minister) after the war with Lebanon in 1982 (of which he was a major instigator).

Eleven.

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

No I understood exactly what has been removed.

I read the Bangkok Post article mentioned.

Disinformation, from all sources, is harmful.

The truth is more important than point scoring.

 

Best you check your own foot for a bullet hole.

 

 

Shot with your own gun, and now consumed by embarrassment  .... time to put the shovel down.

1 hour ago, MrMojoRisin said:

None of you guys could pass a simple comprehension test.

 

The issue is not about the method of murder, the number of murdered or the age of the murdered - the issue is about factual reporting and the willingness of ignorant prejudicial partisan hacks to ignore facts and truth simply to score points.

 

From vaccines, to elections, to war - the fact that a significant number of the population now believe in such things as "alternative facts" and that "doing your own research" somehow trumps qualified field experts is an existential danger to democracy, society and potentially even the survival of the species.

 

Continuing to incorrectly label me as antisemitic or as a Hamas apologist only reveals your own intellectual limitations to all but your fellow Kool Aid drinkers. 

I Posted a video that has been seen worldwide on all major channels showing Hamas murderers hiding and waiting for a car to enter a kibutz they killed them and for reasons only they know they looted the body's before dragging one of the body's into a vehicle. Do you accept this happened or do you den'y it MoJo ? yes or no will do not a deflection answer it.

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Eleven.

We've now established that you can count.

6 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Eleven.

Time to grow up..............

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Time to grow up..............

Hope springs eternal but we need to be realistic.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You don't get it. His previous supporters hate him now for FAILING to protect Israel. It's a war time unity government now but after Israel crushes Hamas, Netanyahu will be shown the door and you can bet the house the new leadership will not be peaceniks. It's like you're living in an alternative reality and fail to grasp what happened. 

You're underestimating Netanyahu's cult status among his supporters. His social media apparatus, the so-called 'poison machine' is in full gear since this started (even before he addressed the nation). So far they manage to blame pretty much everyone but him. If you think misinformation on here is an issue, that what's going on there is a deluge.

 

Even if he losses votes and support, there's still a solid base who'll vote for him no matter what. Sounds familiar, eh?

And even when he loses votes, these split between centrist and right wing parties. For potential coalition partners, a weak Netanyahu is a good Netanyahu, more open to political extortion and pressures.

 

One could wish this moment of crisis would serve to put Israel on a better road, but as with many things, it's a matter of timing and proper leadership. Skeptical regarding prospects, hoping to be proved wrong.

I'm wondering how long this post will go on. Maybe until things calm down in Israel. Which could be years or a month. One thing is certain. Many here, including yours truly, don't really know what is happening there besides what the media is telling us. My ex's brother is working there but luckily he wasn't that close to the fighting. People are arguing about the mutilation of babies when we hear it's happening by the media. It really doesn't matter how the children were killed but that they WERE killed, innocents, along with their mom's and dad's and relatives. Beheading is a terrorist act, and a sadists. No place for those kinds on earth. This is about politics, money, religion and other things to be sure, but unless we are there knowing all the facts, we can only assume who's doing what for why. Killing civilians is never warranted, and that needs to be stopped using whatever force is necessary, and killing civilians on the other side will happen, as it does in all wars and conflicts.

4 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Shot with your own gun, and now consumed by embarrassment  .... time to put the shovel down.

It appears there is no limit to your inability to read and comprehend.

It is a good thing that Twitter has removed Hamas accounts that post disinformation.

Elon made a big mistake by reducing the headcount of the moderation team and selling blue ticks for 8 bucks a piece.

Look at how quickly and easily you guys jumped on the 40 beheaded babies bandwagon without a second thought in regards to the validity of the claims.

Disinformation, from all sources is harmful and should be censored, the EU is to be applauded for forcing Elon to take action on his platform.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain_Award

5 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It appears there is no limit to your inability to read and comprehend.

It is a good thing that Twitter has removed Hamas accounts that post disinformation.

Elon made a big mistake by reducing the headcount of the moderation team and selling blue ticks for 8 bucks a piece.

Look at how quickly and easily you guys jumped on the 40 beheaded babies bandwagon without a second thought in regards to the validity of the claims.

Disinformation, from all sources is harmful and should be censored, the EU is to be applauded for forcing Elon to take action on his platform.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herman_Cain_Award

put the shovel down ... how many times do you need to be told ?

22 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

I Posted a video that has been seen worldwide on all major channels showing Hamas murderers hiding and waiting for a car to enter a kibutz they killed them and for reasons only they know they looted the body's before dragging one of the body's into a vehicle. Do you accept this happened or do you den'y it MoJo ? yes or no will do not a deflection answer it.

Why would I deny it.

 

I have no doubt that many crimes much much worse than what's in your video were committed by the Hamas terrorists in the sickening attack.

 

The claim that Hamas beheaded 40 babies is plausible, that's the level of evil that they are operating at.

 

Post after post after post I have stated that Hamas committed crimes against humanity in their attack - how is it that you guys can so consistently fail to comprehend the written word?

 

Not to be rude, but I genuinely think you guys lack in intellectual capacity and the longer this thread goes on the more convinced I am of this hunch.

 

It'd be interesting to see iq test results from each of you. 

3 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

put the shovel down ... how many times do you need to be told ?

It's more a case of stop bashing my head against the wall.

15 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

It'd be interesting to see iq test results from each of you.

I think you displayed yours in an earlier comment  “Eleven”

11 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Just when I thought the posting in this thread couldn't get any stupider.

Just when I thought the posting in this thread couldn’t get any more antisemitic  …… there you go, fixed your comment for you.

Just now, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Just when I thought the posting in this thread couldn’t get any more antisemitic  …… there you go, fixed your comment for you.

So what Israel has been doing to Palestine since 1946 is perfectly acceptable in your opinion?

You will not get the full story on AN.

Just now, MrMojoRisin said:

You've certainly come out swinging.

Isn't it the truth? Have you ever seen a map of what Israel was in 1946 and what it is now? 

2 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

So what Israel has been doing to Palestine since 1946 is perfectly acceptable in your opinion?

To him and his three or four mates here, it is.

1 minute ago, Lacrimas said:

Isn't it the truth? Have you ever seen a map of what Israel was in 1946 and what it is now? 

I've posted it here however many pages back.

Posts and replies contravening our Community Standards have been removed.    

2 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

I've posted it here however many pages back.

so you agree with me but just disagree using a slur word that for Netanyahu and his minions is perfectly fitting 

5 minutes ago, Lacrimas said:

Isn't it the truth? Have you ever seen a map of what Israel was in 1946 and what it is now? 

Banned already?

????????????

Now that is funny.

Blaze of glory eh?

4 minutes ago, MrMojoRisin said:

Banned already?

????????????

Now that is funny.

Blaze of glory eh?

Banned for what?