Managing forum toxicity and negativity

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, george said:

 

Yes I want to be Elon.

If you Musk.😉

[george]

Just now, Mike Lister said:

That may not work, you may have to let word of mouth do the job. Previously banned members often use a new email address just to gain membership and then forget the password, er, at least that's what somebody told me, down the pub, you know how people talk.

 

They are welcome back! Just contact me or email Support and we will review and reinstate them, hoping that they actually read our much simplified Community Guidelines found here:

https://aseannow.com/terms/

[fondue zoo]

Just now, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If Mods are not paid then that is an issue - in my experience some people who 'volunteer' to be 'boss' (unpaid) are on a power trip.

 

Yes, never let me volunteer/near the control panels of Forum Power. In place of a dark lord blah blah       I'm just saying

 

 

 

 

also can we change these notifications?   Several hamsters are running the wheel, standby for wit...

 

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

11 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

On the subject of blocking people in sixteen years on this forum I have only ever blocked three people.

Please add me - I would feel privileged  (that is not a real post)

 

That is the sort of post that gets some Mods knickers in a knot - especially when the recipient lodges a complaint and they are a person that has opposite political views to the Mod. If you know what I mean.  

[norfolkandchance]

2 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

Pot kettle black.🥱

Oh. The irony

[norfolkandchance]

1 hour ago, BangkokHank said:

Control freaks? Wannabe dictators?

Not all of them. I could name 2.

[ravip]

1 hour ago, george said:

Don't be rude, comments like this is not welcome here. Give us some positive posts instead and don't insult my team. Thanks!

 

With a few exceptions, Mods and Admins are volunteers that want to give back a bit to society.

You are cool indeed, George.

Your patience is much appreciated 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

52 minutes ago, Goat said:

My main problem is snitches who report.

 

Harden up mate, it is only words. Not everyone will agree with you on everything. 

 

My point exactly.  

In fact (in another life/membership) there were a few members who would bait and bait and bait - and then report.

They were especially prevalent in the 'political' forums and the3y clearly saw an expulsion as a win - absolute scumbags IMO.

If they did that in a bar or club - they would get a knuckle sandwhich and be shown the door/street.

[george]

8 minutes ago, fondue zoo said:

 

Yes, never let me volunteer/near the control panels of Forum Power. In place of a dark lord blah blah       I'm just saying

 

 

 

 

also can we change these notifications?   Several hamsters are running the wheel, standby for wit...

 

 

I like these yellowish live notifications. They are really increasing interactions and posts. Good for this community. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

52 minutes ago, george said:

 

@Goat We shouldn't call our fellow members for "idiots" in here.

And yes, you can put people on ignore if you don't want to read their content or interact with them.

IMO there is nothing wrong with calling someone an idiot.

What is this - a woke university campus where feelings are more important that facts??

Let them have at it.  There are some descriptors that should be banned, but idiot is not one.

Maybe make a list - banned derogative terms - but his/him and other such nonsense will not be accepted.

However - he who has the Gold (Boss) makes the rules - so if idiot is banned then so be it.

[Goat]

3 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

If they did that in a bar or club - they would get a knuckle sandwhich and be shown the door/street.

Yes, some of them really deserved a good fisting.

[fondue zoo]

Oh, I'm an idiot for certain.

 

no sourdough again

Edited November 10, 2023 by fondue zoo
tops out of stock, I mean how can they all be out of stock, everywhere

[charleskerins]

8 hours ago, Shop mak said:

Currently, a handful of members create new topics in the Pub that are constant drivel, all about nothing.

Clearly took less than 30 seconds to write.

Then follows hostile banter, personal attacks, page after page.

This has been going on for some time already, and many members has commented on this.

 

These handful members who do nothing else than post drivel, should be on Full Moderation (moderator approved, before thread / post become visible).

 

Forums want traffic, preferable quality content that engage members and readers.

Not nonsense drivel that mostly result in flaming trolling, multiple personal attacks. Plenty of this now, and increasing.

 

Moderation is very complicated. Some other forum previously banned left and right for years, and lost many valuable quality members. 

Those forum become famous for banning. As a result, less new members, less traffic.

 

I believe that moderators should use Personal Message more often to warn individual members.

 

Then increasing posting holiday for members who already received and ignored formal warnings given in PM.

 

Some moderators are too strict, they've been moderator for too long.

 

Example, I wrote a post where I made a joke about myself with a image (old man with a walking cane) I am old and after surgery, I needed a walking cane. This was lost on moderator, and post removed by a certain mod that members consider 'extremely strict'.

 

Moderators should have a lifespan, as they become judgmental and over time some act too strict.

Other forums required a minimum of 2 mods to agree, before action was taken. Only Admins had the power to ban.

 

Luckily, some mods are excellent, balanced moderation, have a good sense of humor and make jokes with the members. 

 

The Handbook is Excellent read, and toxicity is on a all time high, currently.

 

Community Pub should be hidden from public view, and access only on request from members.

What one considers drivel others consider healthy dialogue  .  Relax   

[In the jungle]

8 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Please add me - I would feel privileged  (that is not a real post)

 

That is the sort of post that gets some Mods knickers in a knot - especially when the recipient lodges a complaint and they are a person that has opposite political views to the Mod. If you know what I mean.  

 

Why would I want to block you?

 

 

[fondue zoo]

6 minutes ago, Goat said:

Yes, some of them really deserved a good fisting.

 

clever wordplay. see the forum is already improving!

[TroubleandGrumpy]

42 minutes ago, Goat said:

They started getting popular when this forum started sinking, a lot of the big names went over there.

Then they gave the mods job to completley the wrong person, it went to his head, he banned anyone who didnt agree with him and he basically killed it.

 

Must have been a good joke

 

I believe Proton got banned for posting music in the music section. You got banned for a joke in the joke section. 

You are correct - where do you get your info - sounds exactly like what happened to me.

I left here and went there - I was tagged as a 'senior member' and invited to participate in the running of things.

When I questioned something, which was obviously the wrong way to go, I was shouted down.

I then pleaded my case to the owner and in response I was removed from the 'leadership'.

I stayed out of things and did not 'play' on any forums - then saw a few posts on AN and it looked 'better'.

I started posting about the impending income tax change by Thai RD, and aside from a few nutters it is OK.

IMO if someone says something you cannot abide with, then block them - dont report them like a nasty school kid/teenage girl.

[fondue zoo]

 

All I know is that Liverpool Lou has been typing for like 30 minutes, standby for 4 pages of how stupid we all are.

 

just kidding, Friday's am I right?

Edited November 10, 2023 by fondue zoo

[TroubleandGrumpy]

34 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

just ignore those members at this point and enjoy the rest of the good content that's on here, and there is plenty of good content, and there are plenty of members who are thoughtful, intelligent, articulate, and really have something to say.

Dont mention it mate - all good 

[norfolkandchance]

24 minutes ago, ravip said:

I was suspended a couple of times for little things which I would never have imagined could be a problem.

Now I don't post certain things anymore because I don't want to be suspended again - and only for that reason.

 

Yes. Same happened to me too.

And me. I put up an amusing thread. Even one of the Mod team joined in with the banter. Suspended.

[TroubleandGrumpy]

14 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

 

Why would I want to block you?

 

 

Why not.  Am I not good enough??

[norfolkandchance]

9 minutes ago, fondue zoo said:

 

clever wordplay. see the forum is already improving!

Beat me to it.

[In the jungle]

1 minute ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Why not.  Am I not good enough??

 

I thought we were besties.

 

 

[tgw]

11 hours ago, george said:

An interesting insight about moderating a forum with toxicity and negativity. For members to read as well.

Enjoy your reading.

 

Your feedback is welcome!

 

I downloaded and read the file, since I have been moderating forums for over 20 years, some very toxic, and I would have welcomed some fresh insights into the problem.

But I found the document underwhelming.

Of 10 pages in total, there are 5 pages of content, but the font is very big, like when I was a student and lacked inspiration, lol.

Maybe it can serve as a short introduction for new moderators and new forum owners regarding the basics, making rules and the handful of tools they describe.

Other than that it doesn't bring any insights at all, and is seriously lacking in the tools department.

 

How to prevent bot registrations ?

How to place individual users on pre-moderation ?

How to prevent spam ?

How to use BHL / Blacklists / Spamcop ?

How to recognize multiple accounts and banned users coming back with new usernames ?

How to handle VPN / anonymizers / proxies / TOR ?

What are today's tools for permanent fingerprinting / persistent cookies against fraud ?

How to prevent phishing ?

 

Just to name a few issues.

 

Edited November 10, 2023 by tgw

[TroubleandGrumpy]

2 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

 

I thought we were besties.

 

 

Bourbon and Coke - thanks mate 

[2baht]

33 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

What is worrying about a certain clique of posters they will surround another poster like a pack of hyenas and keep snarling at him until they've had their pound of flesh.

 

      Circle the wagons!

[orchis]

I miss Ubonjoe.
And I could not laud Sheryl enough.

[In the jungle]

Just now, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Bourbon and Coke - thanks mate 

 

To be honest I think anyone who has a long block list should start wondering whether the problem is with them.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, 2baht said:

 

      Circle the wagons!

Click click ☝️

[norfolkandchance]

Just now, orchis said:

I miss Ubonjoe.
And I could not laud Sheryl enough.

And Electrics

[ravip]

2 hours ago, george said:

Thanks! 🙏🏼

Agree with 1, 2 and 4 in your post. I will check what improvements can be done in regards to ignoring member.

 

3) I disagree with you here. Emojis is a cornerstone and is very important for Social media to increase engagement and it accelerates traffic. Yes, some member are abusing the emojis. 

Emojis are fine.

Unfortunately, the anonymity brought in some abusers who seems to use them without any meaning.