Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Before your accusations to me you should consider that none of these Palestinian hostages received a fair trial by any civil court or any international law. To label them as terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc. is not true.

 

  Not true at all .

Here's an example 

Amir Fadi who was convicted of shooting and throwing petrol bombs and was being held in jail for his crimes and Hamas want him released .

   I was referring to Hamas as terrorists murderers and rapists and child abductors and that isn't debatable and it was my opinion that that is  evil

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

Hostages from both sides could have been exchanged peacefully much earlier without ground offensive and without carpet bombing Gaza strip.

 

 

   Hamas needed to be wiped put and the terrorists need to be killed .

Terrorists have been released by Israel in exchange for Israeli Children 

Don't forget that this is just a temporary ceasefire and Gaza is a small place 

[Thorgal]

2 hours ago, Wobblybob said:

That is your opinion and only an opinion. The general consensus is that all the hostages would still be in the hands of the terrorists had the Israelis not gone into Gaza, and it goes without saying that these hostages should have never been taken in the first place. But it is one excuse after another with certain posters on here trying to justify the actions of these sadistic barbarians.

The terrorists are releasing innocent Israeli civilians whilst the Israelis are releasing Palestian terrorists!

 

Not true, Hamas leadership made it clear that they took Israeli citizens on 7th of October to be able to exchange them against Palestinian hostages that are jailed in Israel and Occupied territories in Israeli prisons.

 

There are 19 prisons within Israel and one inside the occupied West Bank that hold Palestinians in prison.

 

Under the Fourth Geneva Convention, it is against international law for an occupying power to transfer an occupied people from the occupied territory.

 

There's no justification from my part of any extra judicial actions from Hamas since 1987 till today. I just apply international law in a balanced way.

Edited November 26, 2023 by Thorgal

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

Not true, Hamas leadership made it clear that they took Israeli citizens on 7th of October to be able to exchange them against Palestinian hostages that are jailed in Israel and Occupied territories in Israeli prisons.

 

There are 19 prisons within Israel and one inside the occupied West Bank that hold Palestinian prisoners.

 

Under the Fourth Geneva Convention, it is against international law for an occupying power to transfer an occupied people from the occupied territory.

 

There's no justification from my part of any extra judicial actions from Hamas since 1987 till today. I just apply international law in a balanced way.

 

There are no Palestinian hostages. You are trolling. Israel did not arrest them or incarcerated them as hostages.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Not true, Hamas leadership made it clear that they took Israeli citizens on 7th of October to be able to exchange them against Palestinian hostages that are jailed in Israel and Occupied territories in Israeli prisons.

 

There are 19 prisons within Israel and one inside the occupied West Bank that hold Palestinian prisoners.

 

Under the Fourth Geneva Convention, it is against international law for an occupying power to transfer an occupied people from the occupied territory.

 

There's no justification from my part of any extra judicial actions from Hamas since 1987 till today. I just apply international law in a balanced way.

Good grief man, amongst the other hostages they kidnapped, there was a 9 month year old baby, what is wrong with you!

[Thorgal]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

There are no Palestinian hostages. You are trolling. Israel did not arrest them or incarcerated them as hostages.

 

Israeli Military court is not legal for any Palestinian hostage. No international law provides Israel to arrest Palestinian nationals in their Occupied Territories...

[Thorgal]

4 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Good grief man, amongst the other hostages they kidnapped, there was a 9 month year old baby, what is wrong with you!

 

Deflect as you want, but it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

[Morch]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

Israeli Military court is not legal for any Palestinian hostage. No international law provides Israel to arrest Palestinian nationals in their Occupied Territories...

 

That got nothing to do with what you claim. Taking someone as hostage is one thing. Arresting or incarcerating is another. You're trolling.

[Thorgal]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

That got nothing to do with what you claim. Taking someone as hostage is one thing. Arresting or incarcerating is another. You're trolling.

 

Deflect as you want, but it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Deflect as you want, but it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

 

Troll away.

[Wobblybob]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Deflect as you want, but it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

It is when they're terrorists and nobody is deflecting only you, nobody give a rats ass about terrorists, only the usual suspects. And just to cheer you up there is breaking news that 4 Palestinian military commanders have been killed and those that haven't been killed are dead men walking, rejoice!

 

 

[Thorgal]

Just now, Wobblybob said:

It is when they're terrorists and nobody is deflecting only you, nobody give a rats ass about terrorists, only the usual suspects. And just to cheer you up there is breaking news that 4 Palestinian military commanders have been killed and those that haven't been killed are dead men walking, rejoice!

 

 

 

Deflect as you want, this time with Hamas leadership that has been killed that would torment me? LOL

 

But my point was and stays : it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

 

[Morch]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Deflect as you want, this time with Hamas leadership that has been killed that would torment me? LOL

 

But my point was and stays : it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

 

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1312538-israel-is-at-war-general-discussion-pt2/page/4/#comment-18512506

[Thorgal]

18 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Good grief man, amongst the other hostages they kidnapped, there was a 9 month year old baby, what is wrong with you!

 

Today, the number of Palestinians currently behind Israeli bars is 5,200, including 33 women and 170 children.

Again, if tried, Palestinians in Israeli prisons are prosecuted in Israeli military courts.

 

Some 5.500 Gaza children died in the meanwhile, because people didn't wanted to engage in hostage exchange.

Edited November 26, 2023 by Thorgal

[Wobblybob]

18 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Deflect as you want, this time with Hamas leadership that has been killed that would torment me? LOL

 

But my point was and stays : it's not legal to keep Palestinian nationals in Israeli prisons under Occupied Territories...

 

You keep missing 'terrorists' off you blathering replies, any reason?

Edited November 26, 2023 by Wobblybob
Spelling

[Morch]

4 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Today, the number of Palestinians currently behind Israeli bars is 5,200, including 33 women and 170 children.

Again, if tried, Palestinians in Israeli prisons are prosecuted in Israeli military courts.

 

Some 5.500 Gaza children died in the meanwhile, because people didn't wanted to engage in hostage exchange.

 

Did Hamas offer any hostage exchanges prior to the Israeli ground move?

[Wobblybob]

14 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Today, the number of Palestinians currently behind Israeli bars is 5,200, including 33 women and 170 children.

Again, if tried, Palestinian prisoners are prosecuted in Israeli military courts.

 

Some 5.500 Gaza children died in the meanwhile, because people didn't wanted to engage in hostage exchange.

You need to learn the difference between a hostage and a terrorist, but hey, you already know the difference, but if you admitted it and stopped trolling you would not have a hope in hell of making excuses for the Palestinian terrorists. Here is a Palestinian child just being let out of an Israeli prison and already Hamas are telling everyone that the Israelis are responsible for her deformed face when infact she was a suicide bomber. 

Does it make you really proud to believe Palestian propaganda, they deserve an Oscar for their contribution to fiction film industry and Thorgal believes it.😂😂😂

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2023 by Wobblybob

[Thorgal]

12 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You keep missing 'terrorists' of you blathering replies, any reason?

 

Why should I apply Israeli military order (378) that was issued by the Israeli government, that established military courts, and basically outlawed all forms of Palestinian resistance to the Israeli occupation as “terrorism”.

 

To be accused of "terrorism" you have at least to participate in terrorism or commit terrorist acts.

[Thorgal]

10 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

You need to learn the difference between a hostage and a terrorist, but hey, you already know the difference, but if you admitted it and stopped trolling you would not have a hope in hell of making excuses for the Palestinian terrorists. Here is a Palestinian child just being let out of an Israeli prison and already Hamas are telling everyone that the Israelis are responsible for her deformed face when infact she was a suicide bomber. 

Does it make you really proud to believe Palestian propaganda, they deserve an Oscar for their contribution to fiction film industry and Thorgal believes it.😂😂😂

 

 

 

 

Youve quoted Dr. Eli David : an AI expert with high volume IDF propaganda distribution on MSM

 

https://deepai.org/profile/eli-david

 

"Dr. Eli David is a leading AI expert specializing in deep learning and evolutionary computation. He has published over fifty papers in leading artificial intelligence journals and conferences, mostly focusing on applications of deep learning and genetic algorithms in various real-world domains. For the past fifteen years, he has been teaching courses on deep learning and evolutionary computation, in addition to supervising the research of graduate students in these fields. He has also served in numerous capacities successfully designing, implementing, and leading deep learning based projects in real-world environments."

[Bkk Brian]

43 minutes ago, Wobblybob said:

Good grief man, amongst the other hostages they kidnapped, there was a 9 month year old baby, what is wrong with you!

He's lost the plot entirely, @Thorgal gone from apologist to full Hamas supporter. Sickening. 

[Wobblybob]

6 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Why should I apply Israeli military order (378) that was issued by the Israeli government, that established military courts, and basically outlawed all forms of Palestinian resistance to the Israeli occupation as “terrorism”.

 

To be accused of "terrorism" you have at least to participate in terrorism or commit terrorist acts.

Yes you are correct, so please give details of all prisoners that are not terrorist or have not committed a crime against Israel, that the Israelis are holding, you are just waffling at the moment and fabricating a story to suit your twisted logic!

 

[Wobblybob]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

Youve quoted Dr. Eli David : an AI expert with high volume IDF propaganda distribution on MSM

 

https://deepai.org/profile/eli-david

 

"Dr. Eli David is a leading AI expert specializing in deep learning and evolutionary computation. He has published over fifty papers in leading artificial intelligence journals and conferences, mostly focusing on applications of deep learning and genetic algorithms in various real-world domains. For the past fifteen years, he has been teaching courses on deep learning and evolutionary computation, in addition to supervising the research of graduate students in these fields. He has also served in numerous capacities successfully designing, implementing, and leading deep learning based projects in real-world environments."

Yes Palestian terrorists are much more reliable, in your eyes at least, you are part of the problem!

[Thorgal]

1 minute ago, Wobblybob said:

Yes Palestian terrorists are much more reliable, in your eyes at least, you are part of the problem!

 

Try to comment on the content, and not on the messenger instead...

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Thorgal said:

 

Try to comment on the content, and not on the messenger instead...

Stop trolling, you were the one that brought up the messenger first..........

[Thorgal]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

He's lost the plot entirely, @Thorgal gone from apologist to full Hamas supporter. Sickening. 

 

Try to comment on the content, and not on the messenger instead...

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Thorgal said:

 

Try to comment on the content, and not on the messenger instead...

I'll comment on what I see fits without your intervention

[Bkk Brian]

Most of the Palestinian prisoners listed as eligible for release are male teenagers aged 16 to 18 – children under the United Nations definition. Some are also members of Hamas and other terrorist groups.

 

How old do you have to be to be a terrorist? Not that old is the answer.

 

https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1728552851251614002

 

 

[Wobblybob]

5 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Try to comment on the content, and not on the messenger instead...

Try writing some content instead of this constant trolling mumbo jumbo!

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

Why should I apply Israeli military order (378) that was issued by the Israeli government, that established military courts, and basically outlawed all forms of Palestinian resistance to the Israeli occupation as “terrorism”.

 

To be accused of "terrorism" you have at least to participate in terrorism or commit terrorist acts.

 

Hamas is a terrorist organization.

Violent forms of 'resistance' are generally outlawed pretty much everywhere, and under whatever legal system.

Back under your  bridge, please.

[Morch]

Israeli-linked oil tanker seized off the coast of Aden, Yemen, intelligence firm says

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/israeli-linked-oil-tanker-seized-off-coast-aden-105160009

 

That would be the second ship hijacked by Yemen. Another one was attacked by an Iranian drone a few days ago.