Israel is at War - General discussion (pt2)

[Bkk Brian]

53 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Christians also being cleansed in Gaza.

 

https://www.newarab.com/opinion/israeli-ethnic-cleansing-palestine-targets-christians-too

Much like your AL Jazerra rubbish @Neeranam

 

While based in the UK and owned by a Qatar company, they often promote pro-Qatar propaganda

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/

 

Ever thought of giving an opinion on the articles you throw out links to, do you actually read them?

[Morch]

44 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Increasingly brutal IDF activity, official Israeli rhetoric, and settler-led violence is making it harder to deny a policy designed to expel Palestinians

 

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/ethnic-cleansing-gaza/

 

It's a OP piece which reads likes a post on AN forum. About the same level of reasoning. No wonder it resonated with you.

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Much like your AL Jazerra rubbish

 

While based in the UK and owned by a Qatar company, they often promote pro-Qatar propaganda

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/

 

Ever thought of giving an opinion on the articles you throw out links to, do you actually read them?

I note that they have the same rating as the unwatch links that you post Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL

The Economist describes UN Watch as a “Geneva-based pro-Israeli monitor.” In contrast, Right web describes UN Watch’s political stance as “UN Watch has repeatedly been accused of having a staunchly “pro-Israel” bias and an outlook on Middle East peace that is closely aligned with that of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party.”

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/un-watch/

Is Unwatch also rubbish in your opinion

[Bkk Brian]

Tunnel found inside a school in a classroom

 

 

Here's the very close quarter fighting inside the school, in the first video you can see the Hamas terrorist's shots coming from just a few meters away from the IDF soldier.

 

Google translated of the below tweet:

"As part of the activities of the combat team fighters of the 188th brigade in the heart of the Shejaiya neighborhood, forces from the counter-terrorism unit along with fighters from the 74th battalion of the Hamas terrorist squad encountered a school complex in the heart of the neighborhood.:

 

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I note that they have the same rating as the unwatch links that you post Factual Reporting: MOSTLY FACTUAL

The Economist describes UN Watch as a “Geneva-based pro-Israeli monitor.” In contrast, Right web describes UN Watch’s political stance as “UN Watch has repeatedly been accused of having a staunchly “pro-Israel” bias and an outlook on Middle East peace that is closely aligned with that of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party.”

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/un-watch/

Is Unwatch also rubbish in your opinion

What's that got to do with anything?

 

This was the point:

 

"a Qatar company, they often promote pro-Qatar propaganda" (same as his AJ links)

 

"Ever thought of giving an opinion on the articles you throw out links to, do you actually read them?"

[Bkk Brian]

This lot found inside a University:

 

https://twitter.com/LTCPeterLerner/status/1733076660524667279

 

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

What's that got to do with anything?

 

This was the point: "a Qatar company, they often promote pro-Qatar propaganda" the same as his favourite Al Jazaeera

Which is no different to UNWWATCH that you quote

The Economist describes UN Watch as a “Geneva-based pro-Israeli monitor.” In contrast, Right web describes UN Watch’s political stance as “UN Watch has repeatedly been accused of having a staunchly “pro-Israel” bias and an outlook on Middle East peace that is closely aligned with that of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party.”

So if the newarab,com is on the forum naughty list that means than UNwatch must also be on the forum naughty list 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/un-watch/

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Which is no different to UNWWATCH that you quote

The Economist describes UN Watch as a “Geneva-based pro-Israeli monitor.” In contrast, Right web describes UN Watch’s political stance as “UN Watch has repeatedly been accused of having a staunchly “pro-Israel” bias and an outlook on Middle East peace that is closely aligned with that of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party.”

So if the newarab,com is on the forum naughty list that means than UNwatch must also be on the forum naughty list 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/un-watch/

Desperate to derail the topic then @vinny41 off topic nonsense, my post again has no comparison:

 

35 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Much like your AL Jazerra rubbish @Neeranam

 

While based in the UK and owned by a Qatar company, they often promote pro-Qatar propaganda

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/

 

Ever thought of giving an opinion on the articles you throw out links to, do you actually read them?

 

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Desperate to derail the topic then @vinny41 off topic nonsense, my post again has no comparison:

 

 

No attempt to derail the topic as the topic headline is Israel is at War - General discussion

And since both media outlets have been featured many times on this forum and both have news articles about the war in Israel 

just pointing out for all AN members there is no difference in the factually reporting content between UNwatch and the newarab

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

No attempt to derail the topic as the topic headline is Israel is at War - General discussion

And since both media outlets have been featured many times on this forum and both have news articles about the war in Israel 

just pointing out for all AN members there is no difference in the factually reporting content between UNwatch and the newarab

 

I never disputed there was any factual difference in reporting, in fact I bet there are 100's of websites that would be around the same, enough of the off topic derailment now? Jeez

[Bkk Brian]

We've all seen this video, frightened, injured, cuts on her heels, arm and blood stains on her behind. Here her mum speaks out, powerful piece, she also happens to be a primary care doctor and the team physician for Israel’s women’s soccer team. Full  video of the capture in the article.

 

"There are seventeen young women still in captivity. They range in age from 18 to 26. I think of what they, and my Naama, could be subjected to at every moment of the day. Each minute is an eternity in hell."

 

The Woman in the Hamas Video Is My Daughter

 

You have seen the video of my daughter Naama Levy. Everyone has. You have seen her dragged by her long brown hair from the back of a Jeep at gunpoint, somewhere in Gaza, her gray sweatpants covered in blood. You may have perhaps noticed that her ankles are cut, that she’s barefoot and limping. She is seriously injured. She is frightened. And I, her mother, am helpless in these moments of horror. 

 

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-woman-in-the-hamas-video-is-my-daughter

 

[ezzra]

 

The U.S. has vetoed a Gaza cease-fire resolution in the U.N. Security Council..

Let the war continue, and without condemnation of the Hamas attack, no mention of the acts of rape, no condolences to the victims as each and every ceasefire will only aid and abide the terrorists to re-arm and re-group, Hamas and their ilk are not the right body to represent the Palestinian people for a long lasting peace...

 

 

 

[novacova]

On October 7, Hamas stages, a BRUTAL massacre in Israel of women, children, infants, old people, etc. people  were burned alive. Baby was put in an oven to be roasted to death. A fetus was cut out of a pregnant woman while she was a life. Many women were raped. Children were murdered in front of their parents and parents were murdered in front of children they captured children as hostages and put them in animal cages

 

Now Hamas goes to the UN and asked the UN to end this brutal war in Gaza. These people are straight up psychotic they don’t even pay attention to what they do, and say that is so illogical and makes no sense well, the United States vetoed the proposal for  cease fire in Israel on Hamas so it goes nowhere. The war continues.

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Which is no different to UNWWATCH that you quote

The Economist describes UN Watch as a “Geneva-based pro-Israeli monitor.” In contrast, Right web describes UN Watch’s political stance as “UN Watch has repeatedly been accused of having a staunchly “pro-Israel” bias and an outlook on Middle East peace that is closely aligned with that of Israel’s right-wing Likud Party.”

So if the newarab,com is on the forum naughty list that means than UNwatch must also be on the forum naughty list 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-new-arab/

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/un-watch/

Best to ignore the trolls.

[Thorgal]

On 12/7/2023 at 12:18 PM, Morch said:

 

You are aware that the parties representing them are part of Netnayahu's coalition, right?

 

Some ultra orthodox Jews that live in Israel are indeed in the coalition of Netanyahu. But that's a minority and are religious radicals with ultra right nationalist inspirations as Bibi and other ultra right settler franchise.

 

The non-ultra orthodox world Jewry (mostly outside Israel) is against the Zionist project as they follow the Torah and the Talmud(s) without concessions.

 

Both groups are not the same.

 

[Thorgal]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

No attempt to derail the topic as the topic headline is Israel is at War - General discussion

And since both media outlets have been featured many times on this forum and both have news articles about the war in Israel 

just pointing out for all AN members there is no difference in the factually reporting content between UNwatch and the newarab

 

 

Thanks !

[Morch]

28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Don't bother replying to my posts, as you obviosly don't like them, Jeez, you must be fun at parties.

 

Liking a post is really a criteria for replying to it.

People reply to posts they do not agree with is the norm.

You do it on a regular basis.

I'll reply to whatever post I feel like.

And while I'm sure you find these topics amusing, a fertile ground for you trolling - they ain't a party.

[Morch]

28 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Best to ignore the trolls.

 

I don't know that you can ignore your own posts....

[Neeranam]

Palestinian officials slam US veto of UN Security Council resolution urging an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza as “disastrous” and “a disgrace”.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/9/israel-hamas-war-live-us-veto-of-un-ceasefire-effort-draws-condemnation

[Bkk Brian]

35 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Best to ignore the trolls.

 

24 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Thanks !

When you have nothing to add to the topic.............

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Palestinian officials slam US veto of UN Security Council resolution urging an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza as “disastrous” and “a disgrace”.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/9/israel-hamas-war-live-us-veto-of-un-ceasefire-effort-draws-condemnation

@Neeranam what do you think the Palestinian officials would say? 

 

Here's what the UK Ambassador said:

“We cannot vote in favour of a resolution which does not condemn the atrocities Hamas committed against innocent Israeli civilians on the 7th of October. Calling for a ceasefire ignores the fact that Hamas has committed acts of terror and is still holding civilians hostage.

Explanation of UNSC vote on Gaza ceasefire, by UK Ambassador

[Morch]

32 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

Some ultra orthodox Jews that live in Israel are indeed in the coalition of Netanyahu. But that's a minority and are religious radicals with ultra right nationalist inspirations as Bibi and other ultra right settler franchise.

 

The non-ultra orthodox world Jewry (mostly outside Israel) is against the Zionist project as they follow the Torah and the Talmud(s) without concessions.

 

Both groups are not the same.

 

 

In it's current form, the party is 11 strong in a 64 seat coalition. That would imply circa 300,000 voters (for comparison, Likud got something like 1,100,000).

 

Your post is irrelevant.

[Thorgal]

Only possible in US + Israeli wars behind the curtains...war is also business...

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67628380

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/war-with-hamas-to-cost-israel-at-least-nis-27-billion-bank-hapoalim-projects/

[Bkk Brian]

I remember well the poster above claiming that the Hamas tunnels were only round some weeks ago, it soon became clear there are plenty of square ones. Now the IDF is even unearthing tunnels with lift shafts. How naïve some are.

 

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1733401948575899848

 

[Thorgal]

3 hours ago, Morch said:

 

In it's current form, the party is 11 strong in a 64 seat coalition. That would imply circa 300,000 voters (for comparison, Likud got something like 1,100,000).

 

Your post is irrelevant.

 

300.000 ultra orthodox voters is still a minority in Israel (7.145.000 Jews).

Even more tiny minority within +/- 15.200.000 world Jewry society.

 

Thanks. You made my point with figures.

[Morch]

48 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

300.000 ultra orthodox voters is still a minority in Israel (7.145.000 Jews).

Even more tiny minority within +/- 15.200.000 world Jewry society.

 

Thanks. You made my point with figures.

 

You had no point. You're just trolling.

 

[Morch]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I remember well the poster above claiming that the Hamas tunnels were only round some weeks ago, it soon became clear there are plenty of square ones. Now the IDF is even unearthing tunnels with lift shafts. How naïve some are.

 

https://twitter.com/manniefabian/status/1733401948575899848

 

 

I think he just picked a shape and went for the troll.

Could have been octagonal....

[coolcarer]

BBC live page is saying the terrorists released video footage of the dead hostage. The animals said he died just before the IDF reached him. Really, more like they murdered him and filmed it to show the world. Hamas = ISIS
https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67653615

[Thorgal]

23 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

I think he just picked a shape and went for the troll.

Could have been octagonal....

 

He's still right because he said :

 

bricks + round shape = Hamas DIY tunnel made for military operations

casted concrete + square shape = civil engineering design for underground reservoirs and hospital services (laundry, MRI's etc.)

 

The one in the footage is casted concrete + square shape + bonus : one elevator

 

Let's wait for the conclusive findings of Israeli General Hagari.

He's very strong in finding corroborative war crime evidences...worldwide.

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Thorgal said:

 

He's still right because he said :

 

bricks + round shape = Hamas DIY tunnel made for military operations

casted concrete + square shape = civil engineering design for underground reservoirs and hospital services (laundry, MRI's etc.)

 

The one in the footage is casted concrete + square shape + bonus : one elevator

 

Let's wait for the conclusive findings of Israeli General Hagari.

He's very strong in finding corroborative war crime evidences...worldwide.

Garbled unsupported claptrap