The Problem With EVs

[KhunLA]

33 minutes ago, stratocaster said:

EV fanboys in the UK are called EVangelists.

Definition. A person who seeks to convert others to the EV faith especially by public preaching.

I think the EV fanboys on the forum, simply want to give advice, (no preaching) and let people know, that there is a better option for 'most' ICEV owners next time they buy.

 

People can simply accept our experienced advice or not.

 

But instead, all they do is put forth false narratives that never existed, or that no longer exist.  When the false narrative are disproved, then they turn to silly 'what if' scenarios.

 

Setting aside all facts that are provided.

 

Simply take our advice, or not, but please, just STFU with all your silliness.

[Bandersnatch]

30 minutes ago, stratocaster said:

EV fanboys in the UK are called EVangelists.

Definition. A person who seeks to convert others to the EV faith especially by public preaching.

 

The OP and myself have both said that EVs are not for everyone. So you are wrong. An Evangelists wants all to be converted. 

 

Most of the EV haters posting here have demonstrated an inability to complete basic research so will definitely struggle with the tech in an EV. EVs are not designed for simple folk yet, they are complicated, please don’t buy one. 

 

Clearly someone who struggles to understand the difference between fact and opinion will also struggle using an EV app or reading a user manual.

 

Those of us who own multiple EVs and have driven them for years like myself get exasperated at uninformed EV haters trying to tell everyone what it’s like to own an EV. Stop it you are embarrassing yourselves. 

 

 

[Lee65]

1 hour ago, stratocaster said:

EV fanboys in the UK are called EVangelists.

Definition. A person who seeks to convert others to the EV faith especially by public preaching.

 

And by dismissing opposing views as the rantings of deranged or lesser humans unable to appreciate the divine complexity of the good news about EVs.

 

I mean can you turn on your vehicle's air conditioner from inside 7-11 (where you've been waiting 30 minutes again while your EV charges)?

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On 12/12/2023 at 10:33 AM, rwill said:

EV's emit more microplastics into the environment due to more tire wear from the extra weight and acceleration.

 

https://www.earth.com/news/hidden-costs-electric-vehicle-tires-emit-20-more-pollution/

That is a genuine issue. Much of the problem has to do with the weight of the battery. As time goes by and batteries become more and more efficient, this should be less of a concern.

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On 12/12/2023 at 12:50 PM, Stevemercer said:

Imagine the driving population of Bangok trying to recharge their cars in the evening when they get home. The current grid could not cope, that's for sure. After every power outage the recharger would need to be manually reset (using current generation chargers).

 

Did you mean the entire driving population of EV owners will be charging their EVs? Do ICE vehicle owners put petrol in their car every day? Moreover, there is such a thing as delayed charging. When demand dies down in the evening that would be the time to charge an EV. I don't know about Thailand, but in many countries, rates are lower at night.

[HighPriority]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Fanboys does not equate to impartial.

The problem with EVs is they're too expensive.

I can get a decent s/h pickup for 300-400kbht, I'd be happy for it to be an EV, but only ICE is available.

What a daft comment.

Give it 10 years and the second hand market will be more mature and you’ll have a selection of second hand evs

[alien365]

On 12/14/2023 at 4:19 PM, josephbloggs said:

Yep. My petrol car does around 480 km on a full tank. (50 litre tank)

A smelly rattly Fortuner does maybe 800kms at the absolute maximum. If the poster can do 1,000kms it will be a really nasty diesel box of some sort and who would want to drive more than 100kms in one of those. Is he really driving 1,000kms without stopping? That is ludicrous really.

 

My 1 year old Ranger can easily do 1,000km on a tank if highway driving. Its more comfortable than my previous car. 

For city driving though, forget it. 

 

Regarding stopping, I personally don't like stopping until I have to. Once you stop, all those cars you've had to pass get ahead of you again. Still, once concentration starts dwindling on a long drive, I will take a break (usually around 3-400km) as a matter of safety. 

[HighPriority]

18 minutes ago, Lee65 said:

 

And by dismissing opposing views as the rantings of deranged or lesser humans unable to appreciate the divine complexity of the good news about EVs.

 

I mean can you turn on your vehicle's air conditioner from inside 7-11 (where you've been waiting 30 minutes again while your EV charges)?

If that’s a serious question then you really do need to step away from any and all ev threads.

Go somewhere and spend 10 minutes reading about what and how these vehicles work and what can be done. 

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On 12/12/2023 at 5:15 PM, josephbloggs said:

My point was that if a car has been smashed enough to damage the battery the rental company would not be handing it out to the next driver as the car would be so severely damaged as to be unusable. So your argument that EVs are bad because you might rent one and you don't know what the previous renter did to the battery is just nonsensical. You are inventing ridiculously far fetched scenarios each time.

And isn't it the case that the auto will give a reading on the battery's current capacity?

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

What a daft comment.

Give it 10 years and the second hand market will be more mature and you’ll have a selection of second hand evs

I'll be dead before then!

[HighPriority]

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I'll be dead before then!

That’s not really pertinent to the rest of us… 😎🤣

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

The OP and myself have both said that EVs are not for everyone. So you are wrong. An Evangelists wants all to be converted. 

 

Most of the EV haters posting here have demonstrated an inability to complete basic research so will definitely struggle with the tech in an EV. EVs are not designed for simple folk yet, they are complicated, please don’t buy one. 

 

Clearly someone who struggles to understand the difference between fact and opinion will also struggle using an EV app or reading a user manual.

 

Those of us who own multiple EVs and have driven them for years like myself get exasperated at uninformed EV haters trying to tell everyone what it’s like to own an EV. Stop it you are embarrassing yourselves. 

 

 

Out of Interest how many forum members have been driving EV's for more than 10 years or more , their must be some since EV's have been available mass market since 2008

[BritManToo]

2 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

That’s not really pertinent to the rest of us… 😎🤣

Most posters on this forum are at the end of their lives.

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On 12/13/2023 at 9:56 AM, vinny41 said:

Battery packs built into the chassis is a new recent development BYD seal being the 1st prior 

Petrol or diesel fuel leak tends to leave a strong smell and the fuel tank doesn't cost approx 65%-75% total cost of the vehicle 

Majority of battery pack external casings are made of metal  but some are made of plastic material that are susceptible to rat bites or can be damaged by large stones on the road which can lead to water entering the battery pack

as stated

if a rental agency driver slightly damaged the battery pack would they

A) withdraw the vehicle from their stock

B) advised potential renter that the battery pack has sustained minor damage but the damage doesn't affect the vehicle as far as driving or performance

C) doesn't advise potential renter that the battery pack has sustained minor damage but checks and points out to the driver on their return of the vehicle that they will need to submit a claim on their insurance

A and B can potential lead to a major cost to the rental agency if they don't have adequate insurance coverage

There are lots of ways to check a battery's health

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/advice/electric-car-battery-health-checks

And here's some info about Battery Management Systems (BMS)

https://www.evexpert.eu/eshop1/knowledge-center/bms1

[HighPriority]

Just now, BritManToo said:

Most posters on this forum are at the end of their lives.

Yeah, I get that.

But we are (mostly) all closer to the end than the beginning…

The ev market is currently young and still developing but bear in mind that we have only had ICE vehicles for what, 140 years ?

The level of ICE infrastructure today is enormous compared to even only 50 years ago.

 

 

[alien365]

For me the main problem with EVs is the reliance on China. I believe Biden signed the inflation reduction act recently which will hopefully help reduce the reliance on China in the EV supply chain. That's a step in the right direction at least. 

[vinny41]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

There are lots of ways to check a battery's health

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/content/advice/electric-car-battery-health-checks

And here's some info about Battery Management Systems (BMS)

https://www.evexpert.eu/eshop1/knowledge-center/bms1

My Post is related to checking under the car on a rental to ensure there is no damage to the external battery casing that the rental company hasn't pointed out to your prior to you renting. most rental's mark when there is existing damage to the bodywork or interior and that's it

[Bandersnatch]

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That is a genuine issue. Much of the problem has to do with the weight of the battery. As time goes by and batteries become more and more efficient, this should be less of a concern.

It is important to remember that due to regenerative breaking in EVs very little break dust is emitted.
 

Also no diesel particulates.

 

EVs generally have more advanced tech than ice cars and traction control which prevents wheel spinning is very common.

 

EVs sold in Thailand generally weigh less than the average pickup truck that seems to be the vehicle of choice here. 

[HighPriority]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

My Post is related to checking under the car on a rental to ensure there is no damage to the external battery casing that the rental company hasn't pointed out to your prior to you renting. most rental's mark when there is existing damage to the bodywork or interior and that's it

And you don’t think they would’ve thought of checking such critical infrastructure as an ev battery… 🙄

Just give it a rest.

If the ev’s battery doesn’t self diagnose a critical incident already, then it won’t be long before they do, I agree with you that battery protection is important but let’s keep it real huh ?

[vinny41]

1 hour ago, Bandersnatch said:

 

The OP and myself have both said that EVs are not for everyone. So you are wrong. An Evangelists wants all to be converted. 

 

Most of the EV haters posting here have demonstrated an inability to complete basic research so will definitely struggle with the tech in an EV. EVs are not designed for simple folk yet, they are complicated, please don’t buy one. 

 

Clearly someone who struggles to understand the difference between fact and opinion will also struggle using an EV app or reading a user manual.

 

Those of us who own multiple EVs and have driven them for years like myself get exasperated at uninformed EV haters trying to tell everyone what it’s like to own an EV. Stop it you are embarrassing yourselves. 

 

 

"Those of us who own multiple EVs and have driven them for years like myself get exasperated at uninformed EV haters trying to tell everyone what it’s like to own an EV. Stop it you are embarrassing yourselves. "

When you say you have driven them for years I assume you mean between 5-7 years while most forum members will have between 40-50 years of driving ICE vehicles you see the difference 5-7 years versus 40-50 years

[HighPriority]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

"Those of us who own multiple EVs and have driven them for years like myself get exasperated at uninformed EV haters trying to tell everyone what it’s like to own an EV. Stop it you are embarrassing yourselves. "

When you say you have driven them for years I assume you mean between 5-7 years while most forum members will have between 40-50 years of driving ICE vehicles you see the difference 5-7 years versus 40-50 years

lol.

You think the posters in this thread are 22 year olds ? 🤣🤣🤣

Fresh out of high school into an ev, never having had the range anxiety of watching the petrol fuel gauge sink when they’re still 50km from the next town ?

 

How old do you think we are pops ?

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

And you don’t think they would’ve thought of checking such critical infrastructure as an ev battery… 🙄

Just give it a rest.

If the ev’s battery doesn’t self diagnose a critical incident already, then it won’t be long before they do, I agree with you that battery protection is important but let’s keep it real huh ?

My point is for EV rentals its more critical for potential renters to check under the car before renting 

if a rental agency driver slightly damaged the battery pack would they

A) withdraw the vehicle from their stock

B) advised potential renter that the battery pack has sustained minor damage but the damage doesn't affect the vehicle as far as driving or performance

C) doesn't advise potential renter that the battery pack has sustained minor damage but checks and points out to the driver on their return of the vehicle that they will need to submit a claim on their insurance

A and B can potential lead to a major cost to the rental agency if they don't have adequate insurance coverage

Majority of members on this forum are fully aware of some the jet ski scams where the owner points out damage when you return the jet ski and the problem is that the renter didn't check that area before renting 

[vinny41]

3 minutes ago, HighPriority said:

lol.

You think the posters in this thread are 22 year olds ? 🤣🤣🤣

Fresh out of high school into an ev, never having had the range anxiety of watching the petrol fuel gauge sink when they’re still 50km from the next town ?

 

How old do you think we are pops ?

I stated most forum members will have between 40-50 years of driving ICE vehicles that should have given you a clue to the average age of posters on this thread

[HighPriority]

Man, you’ve got a haystack bigger than Texas, which isn’t really that impressive…

 

For the record:

 

”Well, just how big is the NT? The Northern Territory has a total area of 1,349,129 km2 which accounts for around 17.5 percent of Australia's total landmass. Let's put that in perspective. North America; Texas USA will fit into NT twice.”

Northern Territory is my home.

[Keep Right]

On 12/12/2023 at 1:54 PM, Lacessit said:

Just making the point while EV's are ideal for urban driving, no argument there, not so much in rural conditions.

It's quite easy to get your hackles up with the slightest bit of disrespect for electric Jesus, isn't it?

The EV cult are easily offended when they are confronted with evidence that their master is not the best option in many cases. But yet they have no problem with buying Chinese made EVs that help support the communist government of China.

[HighPriority]

4 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I stated most forum members will have between 40-50 years of driving ICE vehicles that should have given you a clue to the average age of posters on this thread

You seem to think that the ev drivers don’t have that ICE driving experience… 

Heres one for you, the ev drivers have shared your ICE driving experience and concluded that for them ev are superior…

[HighPriority]

3 minutes ago, Keep Right said:

The EV cult are easily offended when they are confronted with evidence that their master is not the best option in many cases. But yet they have no problem with buying Chinese made EVs that help support the communist government of China.

Don’t forget to check under your bed tonight, dirty commies are everywhere…

[tgw]

On 12/10/2023 at 1:57 PM, josephbloggs said:

Just thought I would share this - a series of three articles, each one tackling a different "problem".  Subject are "range anxiety (should you worry about getting stranded)", "the dirty EV mining industry", and "the fire risk of EVs". 

 

I thought they were pretty well balanced and fair. Would be keen to hear feedback from any open minded anti-EV posters.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/series/ev-mythbusters

 

(Yeah yeah, the Guardian, lefty liberal, pushing the woke agenda, blah blah)

 

"range anxiety" is not a good term for a rational huge disadvantage of EVs :
chances are, your EV will not be available in case of an emergency, nor can its range be extended, nor can you stock up on fuel.

 

it's not a big risk when living in a city, but outside of cities it could make you into a sitting duck.

my mom and dad live in a place where the next hospital is 30 minutes away, sometimes there are storms and electricity is repaired after 2 or 3 days.

 

another huge disadvantage are the downtimes. I occasionally drive 1400 Km, an EV would add significant time to the trip, possibly causing additional costs for a hotel and food stop.

[HighPriority]

4 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

"range anxiety" is not a good term for a rational huge disadvantage of EVs :
chances are, your EV will not be available in case of an emergency, nor can its range be extended, nor can you stock up on fuel.

 

it's not a big risk when living in a city, but outside of cities it could make you into a sitting duck.

my mom and dad live in a place where the next hospital is 30 minutes away, sometimes there are storms and electricity is repaired after 2 or 3 days.

 

another huge disadvantage are the downtimes. I occasionally drive 1400 Km, an EV would add significant time to the trip, possibly causing additional costs for a hotel and food stop.

Firstly, I think a key component of owning an ev at present is having access to solar power, it massively tilts the economics and practicality in your favor.

Secondly, read this very short very recent story about range

 

https://thedriven.io/2023/12/15/record-broken-as-ev-enthusiast-rocks-around-australia-in-just-10-days/amp/?fbclid=IwAR3rh7VQ9tu9hRtdLZByZSxv7XN5Q5QLdNwJABfYKeVYUaXeL6Wt1I7BZT8_aem_AZsr3qVzvJenwiaGIqgGlOdTeFocJRkMjg4L_p8sf69ZjxrbhUXMay6pKYFUBRHRiaY

[JBChiangRai]

9 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

"range anxiety" is not a good term for a rational huge disadvantage of EVs :
chances are, your EV will not be available in case of an emergency, nor can its range be extended, nor can you stock up on fuel.

 

 

Some of us are infinitely stocked up, until the sun goes out...