Pot industry pushes back against draft law that would put an end to Thailand’s cannabis revolution

[nobodysfriend]

58 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Don't be obtuse.  I'm sure you well aware that is the opinion of the medical profession in every educated country.

How can CBD be used to benefit health?

• Lowering blood pressure. ...
• Reducing inflammation. ...
• Preventing relapse in drug and alcohol addiction. ...
• Treating anxiety disorders. ...
• Treating gastrointestinal (GI) disorders. ...
• Preventing seizures. ...
• Fighting cancer.

https://www.jwu.edu/news/2021/09/7-potential-health-benefits-of-cannabis.html

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984#What-are-the-medical-benefits-of-cannabis?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425767/

Systematic Reviews

Using the committee's search strategy only one recent review was found to be of good to fair quality (Rocha et al., 2014).³ The review focused exclusively on the anti-tumor effects of cannabinoids on gliomas.⁴ Of the 2,260 studies identified through December 2012, 35 studies met the inclusion criteria. With the exception of a small clinical trial, these studies were all preclinical studies. All 16 of the in vivo studies found an antitumor effect of cannabinoids.

 

https://www.healtheuropa.com/health-benefits-of-cannabis/92499/

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4

 

Read it , interesting ...

 

I am a busy man , do not have much time for Asean now ...

You know whats the difference when I had my Ganja tea ?

I still have to do the same things , but i do it with a smile ...

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

OP's claim:  "Many studies have shown this"

Can you provide citations or links to the studies that support your statement as per Forum Rule 5?

(Forum Rule 5: In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source.)

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7605020/

 

How many more would you like?

[connda]

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Medicinal cannabis may have some benefits but recreational cannabis just causes problems across society.

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[JBChiangRai]

Just now, nobodysfriend said:

How can CBD be used to benefit health?

• Lowering blood pressure. ...
• Reducing inflammation. ...
• Preventing relapse in drug and alcohol addiction. ...
• Treating anxiety disorders. ...
• Treating gastrointestinal (GI) disorders. ...
• Preventing seizures. ...
• Fighting cancer.

https://www.jwu.edu/news/2021/09/7-potential-health-benefits-of-cannabis.html

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320984#What-are-the-medical-benefits-of-cannabis?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK425767/

Systematic Reviews

Using the committee's search strategy only one recent review was found to be of good to fair quality (Rocha et al., 2014).³ The review focused exclusively on the anti-tumor effects of cannabinoids on gliomas.⁴ Of the 2,260 studies identified through December 2012, 35 studies met the inclusion criteria. With the exception of a small clinical trial, these studies were all preclinical studies. All 16 of the in vivo studies found an antitumor effect of cannabinoids.

 

https://www.healtheuropa.com/health-benefits-of-cannabis/92499/

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/health-benefits-of-medical-marijuana-2014-4

 

Read it , interesting ...

 

I am a busy man , do not have much time for Asean now ...

You know whats the difference when I had my Ganja tea ?

I still have to do the same things , but i do it with a smile ...

 

Nobody is disputing medical CBD, what we are discussing is recreational THC

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, connda said:

Forum Rule 5: In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7605020/

 

 

 

Is there a link between marijuana use and psychiatric disorders? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (nih.gov)

 

Does cannabis cause mental illness? | NDARC - National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre (unsw.edu.au)

 

enough?

Edited January 15 by JBChiangRai
apologies copy paste failure

[connda]

Hey folks.  I know some of you have strong feeling about the issue - but - if you are going to make a statement that is posed as a "commonly accepted fact' then please substanciate your opinion with a citation or a link to a relevent topic from an authoritative source.

Let's all play by the same rules. 

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[nobodysfriend]

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7605020/

 

How many more would you like?

 

From your link :

... have attracted considerable interest as putative medications in pathological conditions such as, but not exclusive to, mental disorders. Here, we provide a summary of cannabinoid effects in support of possible therapeutic applications for major depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, posttraumatic stress disorder, and schizophrenia.

There are several lines of evidence suggesting that a promising pharmacotherapy may be based on drugs that target the endocannabinoid system, which in itself appears deregulated in psychiatric patients.

Cannabis has been used for millennia for therapeutic purposes, and there are several anecdotal reports of its consumption as a form of self-medication for the alleviation of psychiatric symptoms (eg, anxiety, depression, and mania).

 

May be you should try it ? It will help you .

[sungod]

51 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

No, but he and his colleagues had to deal with the problems it caused.  I had to deal with the legal issues it caused.

 

I'm not reading anywhere in Thailand that cannabis is having an adverse effect on society, I'm just reading the adverse effects having on a bunch of winging old men on here who are not affected but must have an opinion.

[JBChiangRai]

Just now, connda said:

Hey folks.  I know some of you have strong feeling about the issue - but - if you are going to make a statement that is posed as a "commonly accepted fact' then please substanciate your opinion with a citation or a link to a relevent topic from an authoritative source.

Let's all play by the same rules. 

Forum Rule 5: In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source

 

already done

[daveAustin]

4 hours ago, smedly said:

Thailand has enough to deal with regarding alcohol - it does not need another drug rampaging society, excessive use of weed has been shown to cause long term brain damage - many studies have shown this

Bit of an old man comment. So what! Let people choose their poison; that is what this is all about. Most users will do so now and then and that is fine, and certainly fine compared with regular alcohol or hard drug use. You will always get heavy users; banning it again will not stop that. But again, up to them. Enough with pissant governments telling people what to do!

[daveAustin]

4 hours ago, smedly said:

excessive use of weed has been shown to cause long term brain damage - many studies have shown this

Who gives a flying F! You know what, there is this little nugget called death, the ultimate brain damage, and we will all do it. If people want to be boring bstards all their lives by not imparting risk or experience, that is totally fine and up to them, but they should stop telling people what to do! 

[CM Dad]

4 hours ago, smedly said:

Thailand has enough to deal with regarding alcohol - it does not need another drug rampaging society, excessive use of weed has been shown to cause long term brain damage - many studies have shown this

Really?  What are those studies?  Name some of them, please.

[JBChiangRai]

9 minutes ago, nobodysfriend said:

 

From your link :

... have attracted considerable interest as putative medications in pathological conditions such as, but not exclusive to, mental disorders. Here, we provide a summary of cannabinoid effects in support of possible therapeutic applications for major depression, bipolar disorder, anxiety, posttraumatic stress disorder, and schizophrenia.

There are several lines of evidence suggesting that a promising pharmacotherapy may be based on drugs that target the endocannabinoid system, which in itself appears deregulated in psychiatric patients.

Cannabis has been used for millennia for therapeutic purposes, and there are several anecdotal reports of its consumption as a form of self-medication for the alleviation of psychiatric symptoms (eg, anxiety, depression, and mania).

 

May be you should try it ? It will help you .

 

Again, we are talking about recreational THC not medicinal CBD.

[JBChiangRai]

2 minutes ago, CM Dad said:

Really?  What are those studies?  Name some of them, please.

 

Reputable international studies/opinions have already been quoted.  It's early days for Thailand, most problems are from long term use, not the brief interval Thailand has experienced.

 

 

[CM Dad]

10 minutes ago, sungod said:

 

I'm not reading anywhere in Thailand that cannabis is having an adverse effect on society, I'm just reading the adverse effects having on a bunch of winging old men on here who are not affected but must have an opinion.

I will be 77 in a few months and I think it should remain legal.  Perhaps I am still too young to be a "winging(?)' old man.

[parallelman]

2 hours ago, Moonfire said:

Well, don't cherry-pick.....and be a hypocrite.... all of nothing LOL 

 

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I am a non-smoker...but are cigarette packets large enough to put all that on it?  Seriously though, I think the risks of smoking have been around a long time but still people do it, as with other addictions. Probably go the same way with Weed.

[BenStark]

4 hours ago, lexxy said:

 

No word, insight or consideration for the benefits of medical marijuana?  - many studies have shown this.

 

 

 

And that is also what the new law aims at, allowing it for the medical benefits only.

 

Not for people getting stoned and claim it heals the pain in my shoulder

[Drumbuie]

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

I completely disagree, right from the getgo the proponent of legalizing cannabis (Anutin) said recreational use was not allowed.  If someone was stupid enough to invest their money opening a weed shop with recreational cannabis as their target market then they deserve everything that’s coming.
 

Medicinal cannabis may have some benefits but recreational cannabis just causes problems across society.

 

Recreational alcohol causes accidents, deaths and domestic violence every day. Alcohol is an addictive substance, although not as addictive or as deadly as nicotine. (Both, unlike cannabis sativa, have an actual Lethal Dose rating). Both alcohol and nicotine are still legal. 

It's always about the *money*,  it's not about the drug itself. 

[Dan O]

1 hour ago, Dr Jon said:

Psychosis, schizophrenia, cancer, birth defects... what's not to like?

can you post a link for those claims. I'd like to read up on it and educate myself

[Olmate]

5 minutes ago, CM Dad said:

Really?  What are those studies?  Name some of them, please.

Open the window, look outside! 🤪

[stoner]

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7605020/

 

 

 

Is there a link between marijuana use and psychiatric disorders? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (nih.gov)

 

Does cannabis cause mental illness? | NDARC - National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre (unsw.edu.au)

 

enough?

 

not really as these studies are often very narrow and centered. they rarely take into account dozens of other factors that may lead to any of the named conditions. 

 

little johnny started to get high at 16 and turned all psycho....yes and little johnnys father used to kick the shhhh out of him daily after school. oh ya and to boot his mother was an alcoholic and habitual drug user. 

 

david went loco in his office today and it was blamed on his heavy cannabis use. in other news davids mother died last week and he caught his wife cheating on with another man in their bed. 

 

o ya and david's son is being relentlessly bullied and assaulted at school on a semi regular basis too.

 

could cannabis be a factor into some mental conditions. absolutely. however again so many factors go into that as well. was the person already wired to be that way and cannabis was one of the factors that put it over the edge. quite possible yes but then the issue was always there. 

 

what about someone who drinks and smokes cannabis heavily ever day ? 

 

blame cannabis. 

 

and no that's not my parents and i am not johnny. 

 

 

[sungod]

2 minutes ago, CM Dad said:

I will be 77 in a few months and I think it should remain legal.  Perhaps I am still too young to be a "winging(?)' old man.

 

But you aint winging mate :)

[JBChiangRai]

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

can you post a link for those claims. I'd like to read up on it and educate myself

 

Cancer

Cannabis use and risk of lung cancer: a case–control study | European Respiratory Society (ersjournals.com)

 

Schizophrenia

Is there a link between marijuana use and psychiatric disorders? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (nih.gov)

 

Birth Defects

Cannabis and Pregnancy Don’t Mix - PMC (nih.gov)

[brianthainess]

I'm wondering if Thaksin is behind this, as he once said weed was the same as opium. 

[JBChiangRai]

7 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

not really as these studies are often very narrow and centered. they rarely take into account dozens of other factors that may lead to any of the named conditions. 

 

little johnny started to get high at 16 and turned all psycho....yes and little johnnys father used to kick the shhhh out of him daily after school. oh ya and to boot his mother was an alcoholic and habitual drug user. 

 

david went loco in his office today and it was blamed on his heavy cannabis use. in other news davids mother died last week and he caught his wife cheating on with another man in their bed. 

 

o ya and david's son is being relentlessly bullied and assaulted at school on a semi regular basis too.

 

could cannabis be a factor into some mental conditions. absolutely. however again so many factors go into that as well. was the person already wired to be that way and cannabis was one of the factors that put it over the edge. quite possible yes but then the issue was always there. 

 

what about someone who drinks and smokes cannabis heavily ever day ? 

 

blame cannabis. 

 

and no that's not my parents and i am not johnny. 

 

 

 

A well argued point of fluffy nonsense

[stoner]

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

A well argued point of fluffy nonsense

 

now you are just being silly. go troll somewhere else. 

[JBChiangRai]

10 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

not really as these studies are often very narrow and centered. they rarely take into account dozens of other factors that may lead to any of the named conditions. 

 

little johnny started to get high at 16 and turned all psycho....yes and little johnnys father used to kick the shhhh out of him daily after school. oh ya and to boot his mother was an alcoholic and habitual drug user. 

 

david went loco in his office today and it was blamed on his heavy cannabis use. in other news davids mother died last week and he caught his wife cheating on with another man in their bed. 

 

o ya and david's son is being relentlessly bullied and assaulted at school on a semi regular basis too.

 

could cannabis be a factor into some mental conditions. absolutely. however again so many factors go into that as well. was the person already wired to be that way and cannabis was one of the factors that put it over the edge. quite possible yes but then the issue was always there. 

 

what about someone who drinks and smokes cannabis heavily ever day ? 

 

blame cannabis. 

 

and no that's not my parents and i am not johnny. 

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, stoner said:

 

now you are just being silly. go troll somewhere else. 

 

Perhaps you could post studies and references instead of nonsense then I wouldn't have to call you out.

[smedly]

41 minutes ago, connda said:

OP's claim:  "Many studies have shown this"

Can you provide citations or links to the studies that support your statement as per Forum Rule 5?

(Forum Rule 5: In factual areas such as news forums and current affairs topics member content that is claimed or portrayed as a fact should be supported by a link to a relevant reputable source.)

you google right

[stoner]

11 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

Perhaps you could post studies and references instead of nonsense then I wouldn't have to call you out.

 

what nonsense did i post ? i posted scenarios that would have effects on your studies. there would be literally unlimited number of stories like this that would effect the studies you posted. none of which is addressed anywhere.

 

you trolled back.

 

 

[thailand49]

If it was medical keep it that way but Thailand open this can of worms not for the reason. Im sute those who want it will use that excuse to no end.

Revolution, this is just another reason to fatten that brown envelope.