Trump, awaiting ruling, says presidents must have 'complete and total' immunity

[Amethyst]

 

A three-judge federal appeals court panel is expected to soon decide whether to dismiss Trump's federal election interference case based on his presidential immunity claims

 

As former President Donald Trump awaits a ruling from a federal appeals court on his broad claim of presidential immunity, he said early Thursday that a U.S. president "must have complete and total presidential immunity."

 

"A president of the United States must have full immunity, without which it would be impossible for him/her to properly function," Trump said in a lengthy post on Truth Social in all caps. "Any mistake, even if well intended, would be met with almost certain indictment by the opposing party at term end. Even events that 'cross the line' must fall under total immunity, or it will be years of trauma trying to determine good from bad."

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A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit is expected to soon issue a ruling in the case brought by Trump in his effort to dismiss the federal election interference case against him. He has claimed that he should be immune from prosecution because his efforts to overturn the 2020 election fell within his official duties as president.

 

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-awaiting-ruling-says-presidents-must-complete-total-immunity-rcna134483

 

 

 

[Olav Seglem]

How is it possible to nominate a person like that ????

Hasnt history taught them anything, or are they unable to read or listen ???..

[candide]

So a phone call inciting to "find" 11,000 votes, or a fake elector plot are part of presidential duties? What a joke! 😅

But his supporters will surely swallow that!

[eisfeld]

What happened to rule of law? He is saying a president can't function without breaking the law? Complete absurdity. Trump wants to be an all-powerful dictator. Super scary that it has come this far.

[thaicurious]

Non-American kings might have complete and total immunity within their own sovereignty.

Non-American dictators can have complete and total immunity within their own delusion & regimes.

But calling for the American Presidency to have complete and total immunity is by the definition of America un-American.

 

This dotard needs be brought to American justice and not just for allowing his maga minions to attack our Capitol to interfere with our fair and free election, causing death & other harms to our policemen, about which in itself he has no immunity, rather the doturd had responsibility to do his duty, about which he is now legally responsible for his failure to act. Never mind the rest of his post-GOP maga crap. He is absolutely liable for the harm he purposely & willfully caused.

 

Criminal Liability for Omissions - A Brief Summary and Critique of the Law in the United States | Office of Justice Programs (ojp.gov)

"...failure to perform a legal duty when one has the capacity to do so is a substitute for the commission of a defined offense when the harm done is the same..."

 

Jan. 6 Panel Presents Evidence of Trump’s Refusal to Stop the Riot - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

"to respond to an attack on the United States government, the commander in chief chose for hours to do nothing."

 

Federal judge says Trump has responsibility for January 6, calling rioter a 'pawn' | CNN Politics

"...to call out Trump ... for using his supporters for political gain and then abandoning those supporters to suffer the consequences..."

 

McCarthy says Trump ‘bears responsibility’ for Capitol riot - POLITICO

"House GOP Leader Kevin McCarthy called on President Donald Trump to “accept his share of responsibility” for the violence that overtook the U.S. Capitol...

“The president bears responsibility for Wednesday’s attack on Congress by mob rioters,” McCarthy said..."

 

etc. etc. etc.

[bendejo]

It is called the Unitary executive theory .

Bill Barr (DT's AG) was ok with this coming to pass, but he seemed to get cold feet on it in the face of the 1/6 insurrection. 

 

 

There were hints that Dick Cheney made some moves on it when he was VP.  Not much made it into the media at the time: I wonder why   (you might recall Dick making an f-bomb retort to a senator who dared to comment on it).  IMO if not for W's pedigree and his family's US gov't connections he would have managed to get Bush Jr out of his way, one way or another.

When Obama got elected there would be an occasional remark that it was to VP Biden's credit that he did not act upon the "new powers" of the VP brought in during his predecessor's time.  I don't expect to hear details about this my lifetime, it probably won't come out until his children have passed on.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

This is Schrödinger's Presidential Immunity.

Trump claims it while stating he’ll prosecute Biden when he gets his dictator powers. 
 

The reality is, Trump is screaming ‘Trump is above the law’.

 

His mental sickness does not permit any acceptance of him being answerable for his crimes.

 

And take note, he’s not arguing he didn’t commit crimes, he’s arguing he can’t be held accountable under the law.

 

Well Donny, justice is coming.

 

 

 

 

[sirineou]

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Trump, awaiting ruling, says presidents must have 'complete and total' immunity

I am sure trump couldn't care less about other presidents, all he cares is that he does not end up in jail. 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

I am sure trump couldn't care less about other presidents, all he cares is that he does not end up in jail. 

 

I said at the time, Trump could have helped himself by enacting prison reforms while he had the opportunity to do so.

[sirineou]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I said at the time, Trump could have helped himself by enacting prison reforms while he had the opportunity to do so.

Also more stylish prison uniforms. Orange on Orange  is so 80s . 

[thaicurious]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is Schrödinger's Presidential Immunity.

 

I'm stealing your term because another fun aspect would be that SCOTUS boxed in by their own radioactive duplicity wouldn't know if they were still alive or dead upon granting immunity because Biden could then simply have them shot, and their little orange dog too. Replace them with reasonable scholars and then beat the pants off Haley in November. Even MAGA would vote for him. They love a strongman.

 

 

[bendejo]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is Schrödinger's Presidential Immunity.

Trump claims it while stating he’ll prosecute Biden when he gets his dictator powers. 
 

The reality is, Trump is screaming ‘Trump is above the law’.

 

His mental sickness does not permit any acceptance of him being answerable for his crimes.

 

And take note, he’s not arguing he didn’t commit crimes, he’s arguing he can’t be held accountable under the law.

 

Well Donny, justice is coming.

 

Like with the Stormy Daniels adventure: he says he doesn't know her, while he is suing her for breach of contract.  Huh?

 

[Tug]

Just get that fraud behind bars were he belongs 

[mikebike]

How does anyone swallow this drek?

 

In making America great AGAIN, does not one of the faithful ever wonder why no other president needed to harp and whinge about the need for absolute immunity in almost 250 years? 

[FritsSikkink]

Anyone defending this needs help.

Edited January 19 by FritsSikkink

[Chomper Higgot]

7 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Anyone defending this needs help.

It’s past time Trump was subjected to a psychologic assessment.

 

Perhaps one of the courts he’s appearing before could order it.

 

The man is very clearly ill.

[Emdog]

Trump & his unthinking backers ought to consider that if "absolute immunity" somehow was upheld, Biden would be able to send a seal team to take him and his sycophants out, cancel the elections and appoint himself king for life. He could also eliminate Congress so no one could impeach him

[Berkshire]

1 hour ago, FritsSikkink said:

Anyone defending this needs help.

I was hoping to hear from one of Trump's cult followers.  It would be impressive if one of them could defend Trump's "absolute immunity" claim without sounding like a total ignoramus. 

[1duckyboy]

So instead of a presidential inauguration it should be a coronation? Trump should keep his mouth shut if he wants to win over undecided voters.

[Skeptic7]

15 minutes ago, 1duckyboy said:

Trump should keep his mouth shut

 

[Thingamabob]

3 hours ago, Tug said:

Just get that fraud behind bars were he belongs 

Biden is still in office so cannot be jailed.

[HappyExpat57]

 

It is a little strange his minions haven't jumped in on this topic.

 

I still can't stand either most likely nominee for 2024. I just dislike the Dem a little bit less. Damned tired of having to hold my nose when voting in presidential elections.

[klauskunkel]

14 hours ago, stats said:

He has claimed that he should be immune from prosecution because his efforts to overturn the 2020 election fell within his official duties as president.

"It is my duty as President to overthrow Democracy. After all, we have done it to other countries before."

[Srikcir]

Imagine POTUS Bidden agreeing with Trump on presidential immunity and asks his Secretary of Defense to have a Seal Team Six come immediately to his office.

 

[newbee2022]

I think he's on the way to climb up to the level of being GOD.

That's most you can achieve in life (except being devil)🙏

[candide]

Read: Trump must have total immunity!

[NextG]

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2024/jan/18/roger-stone-movie-documentary-a-storm-foretold
 

Look like it could be interesting. 

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1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Biden is still in office so cannot be jailed.

Do you understand what this thread is about? According to Trump, Biden as President can't be jailed for anything he does in office even after he leaves office. Unless he's impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate on whatever charges are preferred against him. Only then can he be prosecuted and only for criminal acts corresponding to those charges. 

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2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

I was hoping to hear from one of Trump's cult followers.  It would be impressive if one of them could defend Trump's "absolute immunity" claim without sounding like a total ignoramus. 

The problem is it kind of guts their dismissal of the characterization of Trump as a wannabe dictator.

[morrobay]

2 hours ago, Berkshire said:

I was hoping to hear from one of Trump's cult followers.  It would be impressive if one of them could defend Trump's "absolute immunity" claim without sounding like a total ignoramus. 

Not me, I would not defend any thing Trump has done except question the 2020 election count. Just as I questioned the 2000 election that was taken from Gore. I would very very much prefer DeSantis - (1) Who like Trump I assume is going  to take action on this disaster/invasion at the border. If necessary declare the national emergency it is and order the Army Corps of Engineers to build a  WAll from the Pacific to the Gulf.And I assume would start mass roundups of all the overstayers and those who entered illegally. (2) Send the military into these liberal SAPS run cities to restore law and order.  (search for mass looting in the US.) (3) Stop sending Billions down this Ukraine rat hole. For infrastructure in the USA.  DeSantis/Trump are the only two inclined to do the above.