9 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Even as a lifelong democrat I would admit that he's much too old for the office and he should have stepped aside to make room for someone younger and more vital. The secondary aspect of this is the liability of his vice presidential choice. Harris is horrific on so many levels, but that brings us to the topic of Trump. He is way too old, he's deranged, he's partly senile and he's definitely insane, so we have two very terrible choices. 

 

Three. RFKjr

51 minutes ago, thaicurious said:

Oh? Is he pathologically lying about names and faces and dates?

 

I've been pissing people off my whole life because I never remember their special dates. I do the same with names and faces. You are fooling yourself to take one particular aspect of a person and trying to apply that as a measure of that person. Perhaps you do the same in examining yourself. Give it a rest?

Who is taking stuttering as the only reason not to want Biden as POTUS? That hasn't even been a consideration to me.

2 hours ago, thaicurious said:

 

 

PS, on other poster's comment on Biden's speaking, try to keep in mind that Biden always always always struggles with his lifelong stutter. It's an amazing accomplishment to have gone from stutterer to president. Granted, not as remarkable as someone else being a pathological liar and becoming president but we'll take what we can get.

Stutters do not include total confusion, forgetfulness or coming out with blatant nonsense, repetition and getting names wrong and even the number of states in the Union. No way he will be running in Nov. He can't even remember what country he's in, just embarrassing and incompetent

"Biden Knowingly Kept and Shared Classified Material, Special Counsel Concludes"

 

https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/joe-biden-classified-documents-case-special-counsel-81df1bac

 

Biden is/was NOT POTUS and had no right to possess the docs, President Trump did, as stipulated in the PRA.

 

LOL...double standard here, maybe now Trumps MAL doc case gets flushed! Outstanding but seemingly daft play by the Biden DOJ or is this the cue to show Biden the door FINALLY.

 

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The other guy engaged in lies, deceit, hid documents and showed classified documents to people who were not cleared to see them.

 

The other guy isn't the subject of the OP, stop deflecting

If we want to compare Biden's mental abilities then by all means lets do a side by side comparison and also show a few of Trumps greatest hits...

 

He ran against Obama.

He thinks nikki haley is nancy pelosi

He pleads the 5th over 400 times....can't remember or can't or won't answer any of over 400 questions?

He can't recognize his ex wife in a photo.

His condo is over 30,000 sf and not 11000 sf

He won the 2020 election

He has returned 100% of the classified docs.

He is worth billions upon billions of $$

Jan 6 convicted in court are "hostages"

 

and on and on and on.

2 minutes ago, BenStark said:

 

The other guy isn't the subject of the OP, stop deflecting

The implication is that Biden is an elderly person with a poor memory who is running for POTUS....no deflection at all to point out his opponent is also an elderly person with a poor memory who is running for POTUS.

Special counsel reports that Biden forgets when he was VP. Question: if true and there's no reson to beleive the SC is lying, then how can Biden remain in office?

 

Big troubles ahead for Biden, humiliation today...

 

Biden's sad and failed tenure may be winding up ....LOL.

 

see page 208 of the SC report

 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/08/1229805332/special-counsel-report-biden-classified-documents

23 minutes ago, illisdean said:

LOL...double standard here, maybe now Trumps MAL doc case gets flushed!

 

The Special Counsel did a pretty thorough job of pointing out the stark differences between Biden and Trump's handling of their documents issues, as follows on page 11:

 

"It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if proven, would present serious aggravating facts.

Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."

 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

2 minutes ago, pomchop said:

The implication is that Biden is an elderly person with a poor memory who is running for POTUS....no deflection at all to point out his opponent is also an elderly person with a poor memory who is running for POTUS.

Quite so.  In a population of over 334 million people, those two are the best that America and its broken political system can put up for President?  That is truly pathetic.  Leaders of the Free World, I think not. Hang your collective heads in shame Americans. 

23 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The Special Counsel did a pretty thorough job of pointing out the stark differences between Biden and Trump's handling of their documents issues, as follows:

 

"It is not our role to assess the criminal charges pending against Mr. Trump, but several material distinctions between Mr. Trump's case and Mr. Biden's are clear. Unlike the evidence involving Mr. Biden, the allegations set forth in the indictment of Mr. Trump, if
proven, would present serious aggravating facts.

Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about
it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the investigation."

 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

Trumps protected by the PRA and was acting under the auspices of same, Biden was a senator and VP and was afforded no such privilege. Case closed, end of Biden's term in utter failure and NOW his humiliating admissions by his own DOJ pertaining to Biden's cognitive issues...

 

In addition the special counsel reports that Biden did illegally retain and SHARED classified information in the classified documents but will not be crimially indicted because Biden is “elderly man with a poor memory.”

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2024/02/08/elderly-man-with-a-poor-memory-special-counsel-explains-why-biden-wont-face-charges-over-classified-docs/?sh=52c04b2f40f5

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/bidens-memory-hazy-poor-special-counsels-report-raising-107079954#

 

Maybe a Trump DOJ will indict the old man with the poor memory....

 

Biden is mentally unfit and he's in the WH....you can't make this up. 

8 minutes ago, pomchop said:

The implication is that Biden is an elderly person with a poor memory who is running for POTUS....no deflection at all to point out his opponent is also an elderly person with a poor memory who is running for POTUS.

Taking that as given, then why don't the Democrats seal the victory by selecting a non elderly, non compromised person for their nominee?  

 

The only reason I can see is VP Harris. She would never voluntarily step aside for another candidate, and the party would be loathe to reject her based on her melanin and genitalia. Otherwise, another non-Biden candidate would have a very good chance of beating Trump handily.  But the Democrats are saddled to Biden and stuck for the moment. 

A series of off-topic posts on the Supreme Court's abortion ruling have been removed. Please stay on-topic with the subject of this thread.

 

Mentally unfit?

 

The other day, my Thai wife of 10+ years needed my birth year to fill out a form for the Thai government, but she couldn't remember the right year.... just as she's always had trouble remembering that in our years together... even though I've probably told her dozens of times. So she proceeded to guess (wrongly) through a bunch of more than 10 different years before I finally stopped her.

 

Is my wife senile or mentally impaired? No, not in the least, and she holds down and does well at a senior, high-paying job. But some things, for whatever reason, she just doesn't remember well.... especially years... seemingly a bit like Biden.

 

I'm now in my early 60s... and during my work life, I probably held down more than a half dozen different professional jobs of varying durations in years, now going back 15+ years ago for the most recent one... If you asked me today to give you the starting and ending years of all those jobs, I probably could get a few year dates right, but others I couldn't be precise about now all these years later.

 

The point being, remembering or not remembering the years that something occurred, especially many years later, isn't a sign that someone is senile or mentally impaired. It certainly isn't in my wife's case or in mine. And it may well likewise also not be in the couple of Biden memory examples cited by the Special Counsel.

 

Memory (especially of distant details) is not synonymous with cognition or mental capacity.

 

 

7 hours ago, impulse said:

So basically, though he deliberately retained classified documents he wasn't allowed to have, they won't press charges.

 

But go ahead and vote for him.

 

 

I most certainly will .He's not a traitor or a seditionist and he didn't conceal the documents when asked to produce them. Wow he couldn't recall dates from years ago   he can recall 1/6/21   and so can I.

14 minutes ago, charleskerins said:

I most certainly will .He's not a traitor or a seditionist and he didn't conceal the documents when asked to produce them. Wow he couldn't recall dates from years ago   he can recall 1/6/21   and so can I.

 

Have at it.  We on the other side believe it's your right to vote for your choice of candidate regardless of how much we disagree with him.

 

Sadly, I suspect the Dem party Elite won't let you.  They'll probably be parachuting their preferred candidate in at the convention.

 

7 hours ago, impulse said:

So basically, though he deliberately retained classified documents he wasn't allowed to have, they won't press charges.

 

But go ahead and vote for him.

 

Absolutely not

Yes, it makes perfect sense to look to the DoJ for medical diagnoses.

 

 

No clue why the trumpers are getting worked up on this one. Must be some kind of derangement syndrome.

 

Trump will become president again, and then he can direct his Attorney General, Rudy Guiliani, to prosecute Biden for sloppy document handling.

 

 

Meanwhile, a bit of background on Special Counsel Hur and his political leanings, including having clerked for two prominent hard right-wing judges/justices and ultimately becoming a previous Trump appointee:

 

"After law school, Hur was a law clerk for Judge Alex Kozinski of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit from 2001 to 2002, then for Chief Justice William Rehnquist of the Supreme Court of the United States from 2002 to 2003."

 

"On November 1, 2017, Hur was nominated by President Donald Trump to be the next United States Attorney for the District of Maryland.^[6] ... He was sworn in on April 9, 2018.^[9]"

 

^"Hur has made donations to the campaigns of a number of Republican political candidates.^[16]"

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_K._Hur

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/robert-hur-special-counsel-biden-classified-documents-rcna65561

 

"is a former federal prosecutor who has worked with many Republicans throughout his law enforcement career.

...

"After he graduated from Stanford Law School in 2001, he clerked for federal Appeals Judge Alex Kozinski, who was nominated by President Ronald Reagan. After that, he was a law clerk from 2002 to 2003 to then-Chief Justice William Rehnquist, a staunch conservative who was nominated to the court by President Richard Nixon and nominated for promotion to chief justice by Reagan."

..........

According to federal campaign filings, Hur has donated to at least three Republican political campaigns. He donated $500 to former U.S. Attorney Christina Nolan, a Republican, in January 2022, when she was in the GOP Senate primary in Vermont, which she went on to lose. According to OpenSecrets, Hur also donated $200 to Maryland GOP Gov. Larry Hogan in 2017 and $201 to GOP Sen. John McCain of Arizona during his presidential campaign in 2008."

 

 

From all of the above, one certainly could make a reasonable argument that Hur hardly could be called politically neutral or impartial.

 

2 hours ago, retarius said:

You raise a very important point here. Biden's refusal to step down and allow a fit candidate to replace him  is evidence of his inability to make competent decisions. 

Certainly the same could be said about Trump. Both of them getting out the way would be a great idea.

Ghostwriter deleted Biden recordings
The report also says that Mr Biden divulged classified material from his hand-written notebooks to the ghostwriter for his 2018 memoir Promise Me, Dad.

The ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer, deleted audio recordings of discussions with Mr Biden after learning of the special counsel's probe, the report says.

Prosecutors considered filing charges against the ghostwriter, but ultimately declined to do so after determining that his deleting of the tape was "his standard practice with his clients".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68245617

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Ghostwriter deleted Biden recordings
The report also says that Mr Biden divulged classified material from his hand-written notebooks to the ghostwriter for his 2018 memoir Promise Me, Dad.

The ghostwriter, Mark Zwonitzer, deleted audio recordings of discussions with Mr Biden after learning of the special counsel's probe, the report says.

Prosecutors considered filing charges against the ghostwriter, but ultimately declined to do so after determining that his deleting of the tape was "his standard practice with his clients".

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68245617

 

 

From the Special Counsel's report:

 

"After telling the Special Counsel's Office what he had done, the ghostwriter turned over his computer and external hard drive and consented to their search. Based on the FBI's analysis. it appears the FBI recovered all deleted audio files relating to the memoir, though portions of a few of the files appear to be missing, which is possible when forensic tools are used to recover deleted files. The ghostwriter kept, and did not delete or attempt to delete, his near-verbatim transcripts of the recordings and produced those transcripts to us, including for each of the incomplete recovered files.

 

We considered whether to charge the ghostwriter with obstruction of justice, but we believe the evidence would be insufficient to obtain a conviction and therefore declined to prosecute him."

 

Page 13

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

 

4 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

A pretty forceful and clear rebuttal on Biden's part...

 

Listening to Biden speak on this, there is no way that one can ascertain that he is mentally deficient/incompetent, because he comes through this very well, despite an occasional gaffe and the cackling and shouts from the floor.

 

Rest assured, he knows what he's doing.

27 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

 

From the Special Counsel's report:

 

"After telling the Special Counsel's Office what he had done, the ghostwriter turned over his computer and external hard drive and consented to their search. Based on the FBI's analysis. it appears the FBI recovered all deleted audio files relating to the memoir, though portions of a few of the files appear to be missing, which is possible when forensic tools are used to recover deleted files. The ghostwriter kept, and did not delete or attempt to delete, his near-verbatim transcripts of the recordings and produced those transcripts to us, including for each of the incomplete recovered files.

 

We considered whether to charge the ghostwriter with obstruction of justice, but we believe the evidence would be insufficient to obtain a conviction and therefore declined to prosecute him."

 

Page 13

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

 

Well the point was that there is a reason information gets classified. Biden passing this info on to his ghost writer for a book was probably not the best idea. Not implying he did this knowingly. 

It's intriguing watching this all play out. You have Trump and all his multiple indictments and they have turned out to be politically advantageous for him (DeSantis was ahead in the polling before the indictments, I think). And now you have Biden getting "cleared" and as a result of his press conference it has turned into a political calamity. 

Curious how the chosen headline for this particular thread -- Biden's own DOJ says he is an 'elderly man with a poor memory': Classified document case --  managed to miss and omit the pretty important "no prosecution" outcome cited in the main article news report headlines from many/most major news sources, such as:

 

Special counsel won't charge Biden in classified docs probe, despite evidence he 'willfully retained' materials

https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-finishes-review-special-counsels-report-biden/story?id=107047339

 

Special counsel will not charge Biden in classified documents case

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/08/biden-classified-documents-investigation-special-counsel/

 

Biden will not face charges over classified papers, says 'memory is fine'

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-receives-report-bidens-handling-classified-documents-source-2024-02-08/

 

Special counsel finds Biden "willfully" disclosed classified documents, but no criminal charges warranted

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-special-counsel-report-handling-classified-documents/

 

Special counsel finds Biden ‘willfully’ retained classified documents, no charges filed

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4456524-special-counsel-biden-classified-documents-probe-no-charges/

 

Even Fox News of all sources:

 

No charges for Biden after Special Counsel probe into improper handling of classified documents

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no-charges-biden-classified-records-special-counsel-robert-hur

 

25 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Curious how the chosen headline for this particular thread -- Biden's own DOJ says he is an 'elderly man with a poor memory': Classified document case --  managed to miss and omit the pretty important "no prosecution" outcome cited in the main article news report headlines from many/most major news sources, such as:

 

Special counsel won't charge Biden in classified docs probe, despite evidence he 'willfully retained' materials

https://abcnews.go.com/US/white-house-finishes-review-special-counsels-report-biden/story?id=107047339

 

Special counsel will not charge Biden in classified documents case

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/02/08/biden-classified-documents-investigation-special-counsel/

 

Biden will not face charges over classified papers, says 'memory is fine'

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-receives-report-bidens-handling-classified-documents-source-2024-02-08/

 

Special counsel finds Biden "willfully" disclosed classified documents, but no criminal charges warranted

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-special-counsel-report-handling-classified-documents/

 

Special counsel finds Biden ‘willfully’ retained classified documents, no charges filed

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/4456524-special-counsel-biden-classified-documents-probe-no-charges/

 

Even Fox News of all sources:

 

No charges for Biden after Special Counsel probe into improper handling of classified documents

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/no-charges-biden-classified-records-special-counsel-robert-hur

 

Probably better than the source headline.

 

Biden's own DOJ said he has 'diminished faculties and a faulty memory': Classified docs probe reveals he left Afghan files next to dog bed in garage, forgot when his son Beau died AND couldn't remember when he was vice president

 

14 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Probably better than the source headline.

 

Biden's own DOJ said he has 'diminished faculties and a faulty memory': Classified docs probe reveals he left Afghan files next to dog bed in garage, forgot when his son Beau died AND couldn't remember when he was vice president

 

 

Biden's performance at the press conference ended up being the news story. Not the special counsel's report.

 

 

33 minutes ago, John Drake said:

It's intriguing watching this all play out. You have Trump and all his multiple indictments and they have turned out to be politically advantageous for him (DeSantis was ahead in the polling before the indictments, I think). And now you have Biden getting "cleared" and as a result of his press conference it has turned into a political calamity. 

 

It's gonna get worse.  Polls indicate that a redline for a lot of voters is whether Trump is actually convicted.  This case is going to remove that redline as voters see how Trump is being treated so differently.  Even a conviction in his classified document case won't cost him the votes it would have.  He'll be convicted, of course, because it's Trump.  But it won't cost him the votes, and the appeals will take it well beyond Election Day.

 

Add that to the characterization of Biden as an elderly man with a poor memory and this has been a bad day for Team Joe.

 

34 minutes ago, impulse said:

Add that to the characterization of Biden as an elderly man with a poor memory (to the extent that he won't be competent to stand trial) and this has been a bad day for Team Joe.

 

Even on CNN, in the aftermath of the press conference, all the anchors and hosts were talking about Biden's lack of mental acuity, very little about his non-prosecution or even the differences the special counsel outlined between Biden and Trump and their classified documents case.   What makes it so damaging for Biden is that it reinforces and gives authority to what was already perceived as his main weakness.