The Impeachment's Russia Connection: Unraveling a Fabricated Tale

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In the summer of 2020, Alexander Smirnov, a longtime FBI informant with ties to Russian contacts, made explosive allegations regarding the Biden family and their purported involvement with Ukrainian natural gas company Burisma Holdings. According to Smirnov, Burisma executives claimed that Hunter Biden was added to the board to shield the company from potential issues, and that both Hunter and Joe Biden received bribes totaling $10 million to ensure the firing of Ukraine's Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin.

 

These claims, detailed in a four-page report internally circulated within the FBI, quickly gained traction among House and Senate Republicans seeking to impeach Joe Biden. However, subsequent investigations revealed that Smirnov's story was a fabrication, with no evidence to substantiate his claims. Moreover, it was alleged that Smirnov's tale may have been planted by a Russian intelligence source, raising concerns of a disinformation campaign aimed at discrediting Biden.

 

The revelation of Smirnov's deception has led to backlash against Republicans who promoted the false narrative, with Democrats accusing them of falling victim to Russian disinformation tactics. The House impeachment effort, already losing momentum, now faces further uncertainty, with some Republicans shifting focus to other issues.

 

In response, Biden's allies have condemned the GOP's involvement in spreading unsubstantiated claims, calling for accountability and highlighting the potential consequences of perpetuating falsehoods based on Russian intelligence operations.

 

As the case unfolds, it underscores the need for vigilance against foreign interference and the importance of fact-checking and verification in political discourse. The ramifications of Smirnov's fabricated tale serve as a cautionary tale in an era of heightened disinformation campaigns and partisan polarization.

 

22.02.24

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[Danderman123]

Some posters here still don't seem to understand or believe this news.

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Some posters here still don't seem to understand or believe this news.

 

If it's not covered by Fox/OAN/RT it'll be considered fake news. 

There could be criminal charges against the MAGA congressionals for this farce they've been running for over a year.  If so, the only way for MAGA caucus to promote their guy will be to amp up that Putin loves America and why his buddy DT should be president.  Could they succeed in a creating a "Putin Patriots" caucus?  Not so far fetched these days, the word "patriot" has been redefined in the US.

An infosphere where authoritarianism is synonymous freedom.  Go figure.

Remember Tommy Tuberville and how he stifled the US military for months?  What kind of pocket stuffing did he get from foreign gov'ts for that?

 

[Danderman123]

Just now, bendejo said:

 

If it's not covered by Fox/OAN/RT it'll be considered fake news. 

There could be criminal charges against the MAGA congressionals for this farce they've been running for over a year.  If so, the only way for MAGA caucus to promote their guy will be to amp up that Putin loves America and why his buddy DT should be president.  Could they succeed in a creating a "Putin Patriots" caucus?  Not so far fetched these days, the word "patriot" has been redefined in the US.

An infosphere where authoritarianism is synonymous freedom.  Go figure.

Remember Tommy Tuberville and how he stifled the US military for months?  What kind of pocket stuffing did he get from foreign gov'ts for that?

 

Criminal charges against members of Congress are unlikely due to the Constitution's Speech and Debate clause.

 

On the other hand, if Tuberville were proven to be receiving money from foreign governments, he would be in a world of trouble. I doubt Tuberville is getting money - more likely he's a nut job.

[ozimoron]

Hunter Biden informant re-arrested after special counsel objects to his release

 

https://www.rawstory.com/hunter-biden-informant-re-arrested-after-special-counsel-objects-to-his-release/

[Foxx]

6 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Hunter Biden informant

Surely not "informant" since the information he provided was a pack of lies.  Maybe "misinformant"?

[HappyExpat57]

As I wrote when this misinformant was exposed, Faux is STILL insisting there is (and I quote) "a treasure trove of evidence," yet when asked to share even ONE little bit, they hem, and haw, and shuffle their feet.

 

And still people follow this crap blindly. I wouldn't care if it didn't have any impact on me or mine, BUT IT DOES! It impacts ALL of us, regardless of nationality. Shake My Effing Head.

[LosLobo]

1 hour ago, Foxx said:

Surely not "informant" since the information he provided was a pack of lies.  Maybe "misinformant"?

But.. but... Jesse Waters says Smirnov is 'one of the FBI's top informants, a guy with impeccable credentials, a great track record' and 'the highly credible, multilingual, extremely, trustworthy, long time, confidential, FBI informant'.

Starts 2:36

Edited February 23 by LosLobo

[Thingamabob]

12 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Some posters here still don't seem to understand or believe this news.

That's because there are lingering doubts that Smirnov's allegations are false. There is also the issue regarding the nature of the Bidens' Ukrainian and Chinese connections. All of which may be of no substance, but should be more thoroughly investigated if only to clear the Bidens of any wrongdoing.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

That's because there are lingering doubts that Smirnov's allegations are false. There is also the issue regarding the nature of the Bidens' Ukrainian and Chinese connections. All of which may be of no substance, but should be more thoroughly investigated if only to clear the Bidens of any wrongdoing.

 

Who are these lingering doubters and why are they doubting?

[billd766]

IMHO this goes to show the level of desperation that the gop and, by extension, Trump are willing to sink to, to get something, anything, truth or lie, to smear and and to attempt to impeach President Biden.

 

The sad thing is that it doesn't even HAVE to be the truth, as millions of Trump supporters will believe it anyway.

[Presto]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

That's because there are lingering doubts that Smirnov's allegations are false. There is also the issue regarding the nature of the Bidens' Ukrainian and Chinese connections. All of which may be of no substance, but should be more thoroughly investigated if only to clear the Bidens of any wrongdoing.

How many years, or decades, do the Republicans need to thoroughly investigate? I think it's quite enough for them to just keep throwing mud around. Millions of Americans will believe it.

[rudi49jr]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Some posters here still don't seem to understand or believe this news.

It gets worse. Jordan and Comer (among others), by pushing this false narrative, have opened themselves up to some serious scrutiny from the DOJ. Hope they get investigated thoroughly and if it becomes clear they knew this was false information but still went with it to go after the Bidens, I say throw the book at them and lock them up for a long time.
What a bunch of morons. And why is Jim Jordan, a man with no legal training or experience whatsoever (and no accomplishments worth mentioning in 16 years in the House), even chairman of the judiciary committee anyway?

[Cory1848]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

That's because there are lingering doubts that Smirnov's allegations are false. There is also the issue regarding the nature of the Bidens' Ukrainian and Chinese connections. All of which may be of no substance, but should be more thoroughly investigated if only to clear the Bidens of any wrongdoing.

Well, following from that logic, there’s also the issue of Thingamabob’s Thai connections. I am a convicted liar and suspected Estonian asset, but I’m alleging that there’s something fishy -- even impeachable -- going on here, and I’m just going to throw out there that there are lingering doubts that my allegations against Thingamabob are false. All of this may be of no substance, but the Thingamabob crime family should be more thoroughly investigated if only to clear Thingamabob of any wrongdoing.

 

If Hunter Biden (an individual, not in politics and not a member of any “crime family”) did something wrong, I believe that’s being investigated separately. But this so-called impeachment inquiry has only two purposes -- to smear Biden for as long as they can drag it out, and to placate Trump’s tender ego.

[Berkshire]

Today's Republican party:

 

Believe any allegation against Biden, no matter how flimsy or dubious.  If claims are false....ignore and just keep investigating.

Don't believe any allegation against Trump, no matter the mountain of evidence compiled from all manner of reliable sources and witnesses.

 

That's why the Trump Party....I mean the Republican Party is doomed to be extinct. 

 

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, Foxx said:

Surely not "informant" since the information he provided was a pack of lies.  Maybe "misinformant"?

I have a weakness for alliteration... I'll call Smirnov an FBI fabulist.

[ozimoron]

13 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

It gets worse. Jordan and Comer (among others), by pushing this false narrative, have opened themselves up to some serious scrutiny from the DOJ. Hope they get investigated thoroughly and if it becomes clear they knew this was false information but still went with it to go after the Bidens, I say throw the book at them and lock them up for a long time.
What a bunch of morons. And why is Jim Jordan, a man with no legal training or experience whatsoever (and no accomplishments worth mentioning in 16 years in the House), even chairman of the judiciary committee anyway?

 

Unfortunately these cowards are speaking from a protected position, safe from defamation lawsuits.

[rudi49jr]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 

Unfortunately these cowards are speaking from a protected position, safe from defamation lawsuits.

This is not about defamation. This is (potentially) about conspiracy to interfere in an election. Not sure they are protected if those charges were brought against them. 

[HuaHinNew]

So what, the alleged Biden corruption evidence uncovered has nothing to do with any FBI informative, nice try but no bearing on the Joe Biden impeachment case.

 

Facts for Biden's impeachment: 

 

Key Evidence:

An interactive timeline of the Biden’s pay for play schemes

Oversight Committee report revealing the Bidens’ dealings with foreign countries.

Biden Bank Records Memorandum showing the family created over 20 shell companies

Key Findings from the IRS Whistleblowers

Whistleblowers’ transcripts press release and links

Comer Releases Third Bank Memo Detailing Payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine

Sixteen Times Joe Biden Lied About His Family’s Business Schemes

Joe Biden Met Nearly Every Foreign Associate Funneling His Family Millions

Twenty-Two Examples of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes

Comer Reveals $200,000 Payment to Joe Biden the Same Day James Biden Received $200,000 from Americore

Comer Reveals How Joe Biden Received Laundered China Money

Tony Bobulinski’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

Devon Archer’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

 

 

[scottiejohn]

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Some posters here still don't seem to understand or believe this news.

Some posters here still don't seem to understand or believe this news these lies!

[LosLobo]

13 minutes ago, HuaHinNew said:

So what, the alleged Biden corruption evidence uncovered has nothing to do with any FBI informative, nice try but no bearing on the Joe Biden impeachment case.

 

Facts for Biden's impeachment: 

 

Key Evidence:

An interactive timeline of the Biden’s pay for play schemes

Oversight Committee report revealing the Bidens’ dealings with foreign countries.

Biden Bank Records Memorandum showing the family created over 20 shell companies

Key Findings from the IRS Whistleblowers

Whistleblowers’ transcripts press release and links

Comer Releases Third Bank Memo Detailing Payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine

Sixteen Times Joe Biden Lied About His Family’s Business Schemes

Joe Biden Met Nearly Every Foreign Associate Funneling His Family Millions

Twenty-Two Examples of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes

Comer Reveals $200,000 Payment to Joe Biden the Same Day James Biden Received $200,000 from Americore

Comer Reveals How Joe Biden Received Laundered China Money

Tony Bobulinski’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

Devon Archer’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

'Facts for Biden's impeachment'?
 

As 'any alleged factual claims must be supported by a valid link to an approved credible source' I would suggest that mere opinion from James Comer, Gym Jordan, other GOP members and their witnesses, could never ever be classed as facts from a credible source.

 

Edited February 23 by LosLobo

[Danderman123]

12 minutes ago, HuaHinNew said:

So what, the alleged Biden corruption evidence uncovered has nothing to do with any FBI informative, nice try but no bearing on the Joe Biden impeachment case.

 

Facts for Biden's impeachment: 

 

 

Devon Archer’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

 

 

How about posting some data, rather than links for people to wade through?

 

From the last link:

 

"Majority Counsel: But if I were to just call my dad right now and put him on speakerphone and we’re in a professional business meeting here, would that be odd to you?

 

Mr. Archer: Would that be odd to me? 

 

Majority Counsel: Yes. 

 

Mr. Archer: That would be odd, if you called your dad right now."

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

This is not about defamation. This is (potentially) about conspiracy to interfere in an election. Not sure they are protected if those charges were brought against them. 

The Speech and Debate clause protects Comer and Jordan against anything they say in Congress.

[Danderman123]

3 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

That's because there are lingering doubts that Smirnov's allegations are false. There is also the issue regarding the nature of the Bidens' Ukrainian and Chinese connections. All of which may be of no substance, but should be more thoroughly investigated if only to clear the Bidens of any wrongdoing.

You are alluding to false allegations about Biden.

 

When the person who made the allegations has confessed to making them up, now you are verging on being delusional.

[LosLobo]

38 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

The Speech and Debate clause protects Comer and Jordan against anything they say in Congress.

 

In the hypothetical scenario mentioned here, if there were credible evidence that Representatives Comer and Jordan conspired to help a foreign power intervene in an election, I would suggest this would likely fall outside the scope of their legislative activities and could potentially be subject to investigation and criminal prosecution.

This is similar to the reason why Trump already lost his immunity appeal in the 2020 Election Interference case.

 I would also suggest that the clause does not protect members of Congress from impeachment proceedings.
 

Edited February 23 by LosLobo

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

 

In the hypothetical scenario mentioned here, if there were credible evidence that Representatives Comer and Jordan conspired to help a foreign power intervene in an election, I would suggest this would likely fall outside the scope of their legislative activities and could potentially be subject to investigation and criminal prosecution.

This is similar to the reason why Trump already lost his immunity appeal in the 2020 Election Interference case.

 I would also suggest that the clause does not protect members of Congress from impeachment proceedings.
 

Nothing protects members of Congress from impeachment proceedings.

 

As for indictment, it would require overcoming a very high evidentiary bar.

[candide]

1 hour ago, HuaHinNew said:

So what, the alleged Biden corruption evidence uncovered has nothing to do with any FBI informative, nice try but no bearing on the Joe Biden impeachment case.

 

Facts for Biden's impeachment: 

 

Key Evidence:

An interactive timeline of the Biden’s pay for play schemes

Oversight Committee report revealing the Bidens’ dealings with foreign countries.

Biden Bank Records Memorandum showing the family created over 20 shell companies

Key Findings from the IRS Whistleblowers

Whistleblowers’ transcripts press release and links

Comer Releases Third Bank Memo Detailing Payments to the Bidens from Russia, Kazakhstan, and Ukraine

Sixteen Times Joe Biden Lied About His Family’s Business Schemes

Joe Biden Met Nearly Every Foreign Associate Funneling His Family Millions

Twenty-Two Examples of Joe Biden’s Involvement in His Family’s Influence Peddling Schemes

Comer Reveals $200,000 Payment to Joe Biden the Same Day James Biden Received $200,000 from Americore

Comer Reveals How Joe Biden Received Laundered China Money

Tony Bobulinski’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

Devon Archer’s Transcribed Interview Transcript

 

 

Comer says! 😀

[scottiejohn]

42 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

When the person who made the allegations has confessed to making them up, now you are verging on being delusional.

IMO; When the person who made the allegations has confessed to making them up, now you are verging on being extremely delusional.

[Srikcir]

4 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

should be more thoroughly investigated if only to clear the Bidens of any wrongdoing.

IF so how about a through investigation of the Trump crime family et al benefiting from foreign powers during Trump's administration? When dies the rule of law supply yo them?

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

As for indictment, it would require overcoming a very high evidentiary bar.

Which might not be that high going by some of the "unattributed" info being published!