Shamima Begum: East London schoolgirl loses appeal against removal of UK citizenship

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Shamima Begum Loses Appeal Against Removal of UK Citizenship

 

Shamima Begum, the east London schoolgirl who travelled to Syria in 2015 at the age of 15 to join ISIS, has lost her appeal against the removal of her British citizenship. The 24-year-old's legal battle is expected to continue despite the latest ruling.

 

Background:
- Begum's citizenship was revoked on national security grounds after she was found in a refugee camp in 2019.
- She lost a challenge at the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) last year but appealed to the Court of Appeal in October.

 

Court Decision:
- Dame Sue Carr, one of the appeal judges, affirmed the commission's decision and dismissed Begum's appeal.
- The judge acknowledged the possibility that Begum may have been influenced by others but stated that she had made a calculated decision to align with ISIL.
- The court's role was to assess the lawfulness of the deprivation decision, not to agree or disagree with its severity.

 

Legal Representation:
- Begum was represented by Samantha Knights KC, who argued that the government had failed to consider its legal duties to a potential victim of trafficking.
- The Home Office, represented by Sir James Eadie KC, emphasized national security as the key aspect of Begum's case.

 

Future Legal Steps:
- Begum's legal team is likely to appeal the latest ruling, with arguments over the consequences of the judgment adjourned for seven days.
- There could be a bid to appeal at the Supreme Court.

 

Continued Legal Battle:
- Gareth Peirce, one of Begum's lawyers, indicated that the legal battle will persist as long as Begum remains in the refugee camp in northern Syria.

 

24.02.24

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[thaibeachlovers]

An excellent decision, IMO. Making, beds and lying in them comes to mind.

[roo860]

I don't think I need to ask who's paying for her legal representation 🤔 

Edited February 24 by roo860

[prakhonchai nick]

Why would any self respecting UK lawyer want to represent her?

[transam]

6 minutes ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Why would any self respecting UK lawyer want to represent her?

Money, AH's all are represented for money.................

[herfiehandbag]

I have limited sympathy for Begum, what she did was frankly stupid. She was only a teenager, and long experience of teenage girls ( as a father and teacher before anyone gets too frothy mouthed) leads me to be aware that at times they make the stupidest decisions for the flimsiest and silliest (sometimes stupidest) of reasons. I think this was one such case.

 

She has lost three babies I believe, and that in itself is punishment enough, if punishment be required.

 

Revocation of her citizenship was a political decision, driven by a desire to appease the tabloid press. It should be reinstated. She can then return to the UK, and rebuild her life. If she acts to jeopardise national security then there are ample laws under which to prosecute her. Leaving her to rot, stateless and destitute in a refugee camp will solve nothing, not serve to establish an effective precedent in case law.

 

I have to say that I find it difficult and depressing to find myself in agreement with Gareth Pierce "et al" but there we are.

 

One final point, a philosophical one perhaps, and one which I am sure many will scoff at: she joined, and was later subsumed into ( perhaps against her will) a society which seeks to replace our civilisation, based on Judeo- Christian values which include mercy, with one based on barbaric savagery and intolerance.What better way to emphasize the superiority of our society than to show her mercy.

[Ajarnbrian]

Shamina made a bad decision but after a few days or weeks there with ISIS, did she show her regret and wish to get out in her emails to friends and family? If she did, some sympathy. But it seems she didn’t at all. If ISIS hadn’t been crushed, likely she would still be an active member. The right decision by UK courts.

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I have limited sympathy for Begum, what she did was frankly stupid. She was only a teenager, and long experience of teenage girls ( as a father and teacher before anyone gets too frothy mouthed) leads me to be aware that at times they make the stupidest decisions for the flimsiest and silliest (sometimes stupidest) of reasons. I think this was one such case.

 

She has lost three babies I believe, and that in itself is punishment enough, if punishment be required.

 

Revocation of her citizenship was a political decision, driven by a desire to appease the tabloid press. It should be reinstated. She can then return to the UK, and rebuild her life. If she acts to jeopardise national security then there are ample laws under which to prosecute her. Leaving her to rot, stateless and destitute in a refugee camp will solve nothing, not serve to establish an effective precedent in case law.

 

I have to say that I find it difficult and depressing to find myself in agreement with Gareth Pierce "et al" but there we are.

 

One final point, a philosophical one perhaps, and one which I am sure many will scoff at: she joined, and was later subsumed into ( perhaps against her will) a society which seeks to replace our civilisation, based on Judeo- Christian values which include mercy, with one based on barbaric savagery and intolerance.What better way to emphasize the superiority of our society than to show her mercy.

This ruling was about the lawfulness of the previous rulings. Morality wasn't looked at and I presume will also not be looked at if the legal battle continues. But I thought this was the highest court, what else is there to appeal? Surely there must come an end to this.

[jippytum]

Good. I hope this killer terrorist rots in the hell hole she chose over the UK. 

[mfd101]

So a 15-year-old's stupid decision & its on'n on consequences are to be held against her forever?

 

On that basis there's barely a 20-year-old anywhere in the whole world who deserves to be alive.

[roo860]

Did she marry a Dutch terrorist (that's what ISIS is), what's happened to him, did the Netherlands accept him back?

As for having 3 babies, I personally don't believe a word, and dressing herself in Western clothing for the interviews, more sympathy seeking nonsense. Married at 15yrs old, bit old for that according to Islamic law.

Edited February 24 by roo860

[stevenl]

5 minutes ago, roo860 said:

Did she marry a Dutch terrorist (that's what ISIS is), what's happened to him, did the Netherlands accept him back?

In Syria, held in prison by the Kurds.

[transam]

Let's not shy away from the fact that these three KNEW what ISIS was doing, slaughtering.

So they wanted to go out there to get rogered by the murderers, which this bird did, from one to the next......

The UK was right to block this nutter to reduce risks to our own..... 

[transam]

32 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

So a 15-year-old's stupid decision & its on'n on consequences are to be held against her forever?

 

On that basis there's barely a 20-year-old anywhere in the whole world who deserves to be alive.

Don't be silly, she put it about with killers way after 15.............Gawd..........

[Ben Zioner]

59 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

as a father and teacher before anyone gets too frothy mouthed)

That's revealing..

[Thingamabob]

The court's decision that the cancellation of her UK nationality was legal is correct. I don't, however, agree with the original cancallation which was a publicity stunt to appeal to the baying mob. She is a Brit and should gave been allowed to return to the country of her birth, and to face trial there based on the available evidence.

[The Old Bull]

2 hours ago, prakhonchai nick said:

Why would any self respecting UK lawyer want to represent her?

For cash

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

Shamima Begum, the east London schoolgirl who travelled to Syria in 2015 at the age of 15 to join ISIS, has lost her appeal against the removal of her British citizenship.

Good, some sense at last.

[klauskunkel]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

Legal Representation:
- Begum was represented by Samantha Knights KC, who argued that the government had failed to consider its legal duties to a potential victim of trafficking.

Very well, she could have been "a  potential victim of trafficking". Using the same argument, she could have been a potential Terrorist. So much for potentiality and its use to create sympathy.

[TheFishman1]

I remember the whole thing she voluntarily under no pressure went there. She made her decision, and now she wishes she didn’t well too bad I feel no sympathy for this lady whatsoever.

[Cory1848]

2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

One final point, a philosophical one perhaps, and one which I am sure many will scoff at: she joined, and was later subsumed into ( perhaps against her will) a society which seeks to replace our civilisation, based on Judeo- Christian values which include mercy, with one based on barbaric savagery and intolerance.What better way to emphasize the superiority of our society than to show her mercy.

 

While I totally encourage young people to travel off the beaten track, to experiment with different lifestyles, to “feel their oats” (if that’s the right expression), joining a terrorist gang and having their babies is probably stretching it. John Walker Lindh, the “American Taliban,” comes to mind -- I think he spent nearly 20 years in a US jail and was recently released.

 

That said, I agree with you: I think that the UK should demonstrate why its culture is superior to that of ISIS (or religious extremism of any stripe) by showing mercy to this woman.

[Kinnock]

Next we need to cancel the Citizenship of a few more people who are still in the UK.

[herfiehandbag]

2 hours ago, Ben Zioner said:

That's revealing..

In what way - I thought I made it quite clear.

 

Or are you having a "nudge nudge, wink wink, know what I mean dirty snigger moment?

[herfiehandbag]

1 hour ago, Cory1848 said:

While I totally encourage young people to travel off the beaten track, to experiment with different lifestyles, to “feel their oats” (if that’s the right expression), joining a terrorist gang and having their babies is probably stretching it. John Walker Lindh, the “American Taliban,” comes to mind -- I think he spent nearly 20 years in a US jail and was recently released.

 

That said, I agree with you: I think that the UK should demonstrate why its culture is superior to that of ISIS (or religious extremism of any stripe) by showing mercy to this woman.

I think the expression is "sow their wild oats"?

 

I'm not so sure producing babies was entirely her choice!

[Cake Monster]

2 hours ago, transam said:

Let's not shy away from the fact that these three KNEW what ISIS was doing, slaughtering.

So they wanted to go out there to get rogered by the murderers, which this bird did, from one to the next......

The UK was right to block this nutter to reduce risks to our own..... 

And having the possibility of having Her I.S. sprogs grow up under the UK benefit system as potential IS fighters.

All the time to be monitored and paid for by the UK tax payer

[transam]

12 minutes ago, Cake Monster said:

And having the possibility of having Her I.S. sprogs grow up under the UK benefit system as potential IS fighters.

All the time to be monitored and paid for by the UK tax payer

At the mo she hasn't got any, but if she was let back in, I have no doubt she would be straight on social Security teamed up with another religious wannabe Rambo fruitcake.........🥴

[Cory1848]

30 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

I think the expression is "sow their wild oats"?

 

I'm not so sure producing babies was entirely her choice!

You may be right -- she said in the video someone posted above that when went, she thought she was going to “make a family,” but there would have been such a gaping power imbalance between her and the men who were handling her in Syria that she likely had little say in the matter, and even the British judge who ruled against her admitted that there was a “credible suspicion” that she’d been trafficked to Syria for “sexual exploitation.”

 

In any event, I seriously doubt that she poses any threat to British national security -- if anything, she may need some therapy!

[Chomper Higgot]

She’ll eventually win her case.

 

Stripping a person of their citizenship on the basis of their actions as a child will clearly not stand, not should it.

 

 

[billd766]

4 hours ago, jippytum said:

Good. I hope this killer terrorist rots in the hell hole she chose over the UK. 

I doubt that she has killed any more people than you have, hiding anonymously behind your keyboard.

 

Granted what she did was the height of stupidity but at 15 with a home background and a future like she would have faced it, may have been just a lark to begin with.

 

What 15 year old nowadays or even then know what they want yo do for the next 50 or 60 years of their lives.

 

Having said that I still wouldn't want her back in the UK.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, Kinnock said:

Next we need to cancel the Citizenship of a few more people who are still in the UK.

Magna Carta burned and it’s ashes scattered.