British SAS soldiers arrested on suspicion of murdering a Islamic Jihad operative in Syria

[mokwit]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

However, military police have raised concerns that the level of force used may have been excessive.

Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK.

[Ben Zioner]

Can only be thankful, and hope the UK government will be up to the task of bringing back these brave men.

[IvorBiggun2]

14 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK.

It's been used since time began. It's how wars are won.  Try reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall_ambush

Edited March 7 by IvorBiggun2

[Korat Kiwi]

Being arrested does not mean that they are automatically locked up. 

 

They maybe on open arrest, confined to quarters or barracks. 

 

I am certain that they had rules of engagement like every other conflict demands.  High value targets would have been identified before going into the mission. 

 

Anything out of the ordinary would have been passed along the chain of command before a hit was authorised, unless there was an immediate threat of danger/loss of life or other events (That are covered in ROI). 

 

These soldiers are aware of the rules.  They should not be procecuted if they are carrying out lawful orders of their superiors. 

[mokwit]

5 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

It's been used since time began. It's how wars are won.  Try reading https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loughgall_ambush

That was actually the point I was making.

[worgeordie]

21 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK.

Tell that to the enemy .....it's war , you win by any means..

 

regards worgeordie

[Georgealbert]

It was Military Commanders that sent the files to the Service Prosecuting Authority recommending murder charges against the five soldiers.

 

The military justice system is different from civilian courts.

 

https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/our-justice-system/jurisdictions/military-jurisdiction/

[Korat Kiwi]

10 minutes ago, Georgealbert said:

It was Military Commanders that sent the files to the Service Prosecuting Authority recommending murder charges against the five soldiers.

 

The military justice system is different from civilian courts.

 

https://www.judiciary.uk/about-the-judiciary/our-justice-system/jurisdictions/military-jurisdiction/

Ahhhh the old boys network. 

(Commissioned Officers/Fools). 

 

Breaker Morant here we go... 

[James105]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Erm:

 

https://www.willesdenjewishcemetery.org.uk/news-listing/david-shilling-jcxk4-6528d

 

Ok, fine.  In a cemetery there is a block of stone that recognises how many Jewish people died which numbered about 6 million jews.  I suspect it cost no more than £10000 to put up.   Now, why would there specifically need to be £1,000,000 spent on the muslim contribution to the war efforts?   What did muslims do over and above the Hindus, the Buddhists, the atheists, the scientologists, the christians or catholics that justifies this expenditure.  And why specifically now?   

 

These stories do not seem random.  Nobody (as far as I know) was pushing for SAS troops to be arrested for using excessive force against a terrorist in a war 2 years ago, nor was anyone pushing for muslims specifically to have their own war memorial.   So why now?  

[Martin71]

10 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Ok, fine.  In a cemetery there is a block of stone that recognises how many Jewish people died which numbered about 6 million jews.  I suspect it cost no more than £10000 to put up.   Now, why would there specifically need to be £1,000,000 spent on the muslim contribution to the war efforts?   What did muslims do over and above the Hindus, the Buddhists, the atheists, the scientologists, the christians or catholics that justifies this expenditure.  And why specifically now?   

 

These stories do not seem random.  Nobody (as far as I know) was pushing for SAS troops to be arrested for using excessive force against a terrorist in a war 2 years ago, nor was anyone pushing for muslims specifically to have their own war memorial.   So why now?  

 

Because England is a broken s@#$ hole...unfortunately...run by people who only want to help minorities....

[JonnyF]

9 hours ago, Social Media said:

In a startling development, five British special forces soldiers are now under arrest on suspicion of murder by military authorities. The allegations are tied to an incident involving the killing of a suspected member of Islamic Jihad in Syria in 2022.

 

And yet Tony Blair still walks free among us. 

[Denim]

This will be alarming news to the hundreds of SAS men on undercover ops in Pattaya and schools around the country. 

[Chomper Higgot]

28 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Ok, fine.  In a cemetery there is a block of stone that recognises how many Jewish people died which numbered about 6 million jews.  I suspect it cost no more than £10000 to put up.   Now, why would there specifically need to be £1,000,000 spent on the muslim contribution to the war efforts?   What did muslims do over and above the Hindus, the Buddhists, the atheists, the scientologists, the christians or catholics that justifies this expenditure.  And why specifically now?   

 

These stories do not seem random.  Nobody (as far as I know) was pushing for SAS troops to be arrested for using excessive force against a terrorist in a war 2 years ago, nor was anyone pushing for muslims specifically to have their own war memorial.   So why now?  

You’ll have to ask the Government, I simply corrected the error on the post:

 

’No other religion has a special memorial for this, just memorials that commemorate all those who sacrificed their lives in these wars.’

 

Feel free not to ask the Government and resort to wild conspiracies.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

Tell that to the enemy .....it's war , you win by any means..

 

regards worgeordie

Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests.

Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’.

 

 

 

[G_Money]

42 minutes ago, Martin71 said:

 

Because England is a broken s@#$ hole...unfortunately...run by people who only want to help minorities....

If you were an American, you’d be a Trumper.

 

 I feel your pain 

[G_Money]

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests.

Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’.

 

 

 

Make sure you send the same message to Islamic Jihadist that practice beheadings of westerners on television.

 

[Doctor Tom]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests.

Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’.

 

 

 

 I could not be more disinterested in others opinions on this subject., unless its in support of the troops.  Experience what Special Forces experience, and indeed look at the utterly disgraceful pursuit of Para Reg troops after Bloody Sunday. All the bleeding hearts and politico's need to shut the fxxx up and leave the troops to do their job. Military discipline can deal with the outliers.   Western troops, as an international cohort,  are the most disciplined, effective and dedicated troops in the World.  They just don't need this kind of sxxt on their backs.  Look at who they are supposed to have killed and then weep your crocodile tears. For all the above applies to the IDF in their pursuit of terrorists in Gaza. 

[Martin71]

12 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

 I could not be more disinterested in others opinions on this subject., unless its in support of the troops.  Experience what Special Forces experience, and indeed look at the utterly disgraceful pursuit of Para Reg troops after Bloody Sunday. All the bleeding hearts and politico's need to shut the fxxx up and leave the troops to do their job. Military discipline can deal with the outliers.   Western troops, as an international cohort,  are the most disciplined, effective and dedicated troops in the World.  They just don't need this kind of sxxt on their backs.  Look at who they are supposed to have killed and then weep your crocodile tears. For all the above applies to the IDF in their pursuit of terrorists in Gaza. 

 

Well said sir..

[G_Money]

51 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Excessive violence by British troops has a long history of giving rise political and diplomatic problems that have, on more than one occasion, had far reaching negative impacts on the UK and its overseas interests.

Wars can be also be lost by ‘any means’.

 

 

 

Have you considered terminating your UK citizenship, purchasing a one way ticket to any Middle Eastern or Muslim country popular with jihadist?

 

You could be their expat poster child.

Edited March 7 by G_Money

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, Martin71 said:

 

Because England is a broken s@#$ hole...unfortunately...run by people who only want to help minorities....

No it isn't.

 

When was the last time you were in UK and where did you go?

[youreavinalaff]

9 minutes ago, G_Money said:

Have you considered terminating your UK citizenship, purchasing a one way ticket to any Middle Eastern or Muslim country popular with jihadist?

 

You could be their expat poster child.

You might be mistaken on his citizenship.

Edited March 7 by youreavinalaff

[Martin71]

January.. London where I was born and bred...  

[youreavinalaff]

1 minute ago, Martin71 said:

January.. London where I was born and bred...  

So, the area of London where you live is, in your opinion, a s$#t hole?

 

I can assure you, the whole country certainly is not.

 

You are exaggerating for effect. Didn't work.

[G_Money]

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

You might be mistaken on his citizenship.

You could be right.  He sounds like one of the loony Citizens of The World types.

[Doctor Tom]

2 hours ago, mokwit said:

Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK.

What a dumb statement mate.  Excessive force is exactly what it required in War, its called bringing overwilling force to bear on the enemy and its the cornerstone of combat.  You are getting mixed up with 'Military Aid to the Civil Power', which is an entirely different situation. 

[jaideedave]

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not quite as good as meeting a member of the ‘SAS’ on the next stool in some downtown Pattaya den of iniquity, but good effort worthy of recognition.

On my 1st visit to Pattaya in 1990 I met an ex SAS soldier in a bar on Soi PO..I'm ex military myself and I'm afraid he wasn't very convincing. I also had the pleasure of meeting an Aussie policeman in a bar the same area much later. He was working undercover at the time and couldn't tell me much about the case.All he was missing was the trench coat.Yes there are many of these fellows active in Thailand.

[mokwit]

27 minutes ago, Doctor Tom said:

What a dumb statement mate.  Excessive force is exactly what it required in War, its called bringing overwilling force to bear on the enemy and its the cornerstone of combat.  You are getting mixed up with 'Military Aid to the Civil Power', which is an entirely different situation. 

Not getting confused with anything. That was what I meant, that was what the 'OK' was about - meant to be sarcastic. perhaps I should have used a rolls eyes emoji or something.  Jeez, and you called me dumb, also it's "overwhelming" not 'overwilling'. I forget the ratio generally regarded as required - 3:1 in manpower and firepower - maybe more?

Edited March 7 by mokwit

[mokwit]

Re my post: 'Use of excessive force not allowed in a war. OK.'

 

The point I was making/trying to make was that in war you seek to be able to deploy overwhelming force to win, but it seems the soldiers are being charged for effectively doing just that. The 'OK' was meant as in: 'er right OK, then' i.e. being sarcastic.

Edited March 7 by mokwit

[The Fugitive]

3 hours ago, Korat Kiwi said:

These soldiers are aware of the rules.  They should not be procecuted if they are carrying out lawful orders of their superiors.

That may be the nub of it. As I understand, a serviceman has two options. He either obeys his orders or refuses. When he has chosen to obey an unlawful order he can be arrested and tried in a civilian criminal court.

[Chomper Higgot]

2 hours ago, G_Money said:

Make sure you send the same message to Islamic Jihadist that practice beheadings of westerners on television.

 

The two wrongs make a right response.