Israel is at War - General discussion (pt3)

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Does anyone know the death count if Gazans children now? 

More than 10,000 according to CNN: January 16, 2024 Israel-Hamas war (cnn.com)

[beautifulthailand99]

26 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

This is my last post on this forum

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHlFLsf7ot0

 

That is utterly true horror - Israel is truly losing the plot, and I think that that was Hamas's plot all along. If we can't have our land back, we will turn the whole world against you, even if we destroy ourselves in the process. And unleash the demons back. Dark days indeed and that is where the whole world is going.

 

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-11-12/ty-article/israeli-security-cabinet-member-calls-north-gaza-evacuation-nakba-2023/0000018b-c2be-dea2-a9bf-d2be7b670000

Israeli security cabinet member and Agriculture Minister Avi Dichter (Likud) was asked in a news interview on Saturday whether the images of northern Gaza Strip residents evacuating south on the IDF’s orders are comparable to images of the Nakba. He replied: “We are now rolling out the Gaza Nakba. From an operational point of view, there is no way to wage a war – as the IDF seeks to do in Gaza – with masses between the tanks and the soldiers.”

[transam]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Does anyone know the death count if Gazans children now? 

Try Google from a reputable source.......😃

[Neeranam]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I do tend to agree, I don't particularly like Biden, I just dislike him less than I dislike Trump. However I do think Trump was the 44th worst president ever, and Biden might be somewhere around the 30th worst. Neither are particularly good choices, and the fact that we're reduced to those two choices says a lot about where America is today. 

If Trump is 44th worst then you mean he is the second best. 

I would say he is in the top 10 but not 2nd.

Biden is near the bottom, and would defebe worst if given another term

[transam]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

That is utterly true horror - Israel is truly losing the plot, and I think that that was Hamas's plot all along. If we can't have our land back, we will turn the whole world against you. And unleash the demons back.

Yeeeh, let's get Israel to kill us all to prove a point.........🤣

[transam]

Just now, Neeranam said:

If Trump is 44th worst then you mean he is the second best. 

I would say he is in the top 10 but not 2nd.

Biden is near the bottom, and would defebe worst if given another term

How do you know.......?

[herfiehandbag]

On 3/8/2024 at 2:02 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Let's never forget that israel came to be when Irgun and Stern gang terrorism drove the British out of Palestine, and a terrorist ( Begin ) even  became PM.

Born of terrorism, and IMO still uses it against Palestinians.

Irgun and the Stern gang hardly drove the British out of Israel.

 

As ever you choose to ignore the Palastinians long history of terrorism, culminating in their enthusiastic slaughter of over 1200 innocents on October 7th.

 

But, but, but, Aljazira says...

[Neeranam]

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

More than 10,000 according to CNN: January 16, 2024 Israel-Hamas war (cnn.com)

Disgrsceful and figure will be much higher now. 

I'd hate to be an Israeli now, with the world experiencing what they are doing. They're is going to be retribution. 

[beautifulthailand99]

In that video Ozimoron posted the head of Shin Bet if he was Palestinian he would fight like the Palestinians by any means necessary.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/14/shin-bet-ami-ayalon-calls-on-israel-release-intifada-leader-marwan-barghouti

 

Ayalon said most Israelis believed that “all Palestinians are Hamas or supporters of Hamas”, and they did not accept the concept of a Palestinian identity. “We see them as people, not ‘a people’, a nation,” he said. “We cannot accept [the idea of a Palestinian people] because if we do, it creates a huge obstacle in the concept of the state of Israel.”

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ami_Ayalon

[Neeranam]

David and goliath comes to mind. 

[rattlesnake]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

It was not a child free killing zone on Oct 7th. There were dozens of children murdered. There is no question of fake news there. 

 

"two infants, 12 other children under the age of 10, 36 civilians aged 10-19"

 

This is the correct assessment, yes.

 

Given the extraordinary lies which were disseminated by the Israeli giovernment and then repeated by worldwide politicians and media (I still hear people pushing falsehoods such as heads cut off, children placed in ovens, pregnant women’s stomachs cut open…), exactitude is paramount, especially when one compares with the casualties caused in retaliation.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

This is the correct assessment, yes.

 

Given the extraordinary lies which were disseminated by the Israeli giovernment and then repeated by worldwide politicians and media (I still hear people pushing falsehoods such as heads cut off, children placed in ovens, pregnant women’s stomachs cut open…), exactitude is paramount, especially when one compares with the casualties caused in retaliation.

Next time you try baiting someone into coming up with the false 40 babies beheaded story that was spread by a journalist don't be so obvious. Its already been discussed here dozens of times. Although there certainly were heads cut of adults, I saw the video of the poor Thai guy

[rattlesnake]

8 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Disgrsceful and figure will be much higher now. 

I'd hate to be an Israeli now, with the world experiencing what they are doing. They're is going to be retribution. 

 

Infographic: Over 12,660 children killed in Gaza within 134 days

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240218-infographic-over-12660-children-killed-in-gaza-within-134-days/

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

This is the correct assessment, yes.

 

Given the extraordinary lies which were disseminated by the Israeli giovernment and then repeated by worldwide politicians and media (I still hear people pushing falsehoods such as heads cut off, children placed in ovens, pregnant women’s stomachs cut open…), exactitude is paramount, especially when one compares with the casualties caused in retaliation.

Common propaganda out of proportion to shock the world and make biased sympathy. Happens in every war, and best documented was when Evil Saddam Hussain invaded innocent Kuwait. 

[transam]

1 minute ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Infographic: Over 12,660 children killed in Gaza within 134 days

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240218-infographic-over-12660-children-killed-in-gaza-within-134-days/

Is that your local newspaper........🤔

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

Infographic: Over 12,660 children killed in Gaza within 134 days

 

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240218-infographic-over-12660-children-killed-in-gaza-within-134-days/

Oh the irony, look at the book they are promoting on the right of the graphic. "The Making of Hamas's Foreign Policy" A must read for the terrorists!

 

 

 

[beautifulthailand99]

If Israel cares about its survival and peace - they would declare a ceasefire, arrest Netanyahu and allowed unfettered humanitarian supplies into Gaza. Every Israeli politician in that vidoe from ABC says he is totally untrustworthy and can never be peace while he is PM.

[rattlesnake]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Next time you try baiting someone into coming up with the false 40 babies beheaded story that was spread by a journalist don't be so obvious. Its already been discussed here dozens of times. Although there certainly were heads cut of adults, I saw the video of the poor Thai guy

 

My question to transam was simple and without hidden motive. Given the context, I prefer exact figures and specific references rather than ambiguous sweeping statements.

[beautifulthailand99]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh the irony, look at the book they are promoting on the right of the graphic. "The Making of Hamas's Foreign Policy" A must read for the terrorists!

 

 

 

I've read Mein Kampf but that doesn't make a Nazi, just better informed.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

I've read Mein Kampf but that doesn't make a Nazi, just better informed.

But you are a Putin fan and self confessed flat earther

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

My question to transam was simple and without hidden motive. Given the context, I prefer exact figures and specific references rather than ambiguous sweeping statements.

Don't believe you, he already replied once 

[transam]

3 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I've read Mein Kampf but that doesn't make a Nazi, just better informed.

I thought you might have..........

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

If Israel cares about its survival and peace - they would declare a ceasefire, arrest Netanyahu and allowed unfettered humanitarian supplies into Gaza. Every Israeli politician in that vidoe from ABC says he is totally untrustworthy and can never be peace while he is PM.

They want a change of leadership but not direction:

 

A new poll finds that around three-quarters of Jewish Israelis support an expansion of IDF operations in Gaza’s southernmost city of Rafah,

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/poll-75-of-jewish-israelis-back-rafah-operation/

[Nick Carter icp]

16 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

This is the correct assessment, yes.

 

Given the extraordinary lies which were disseminated by the Israeli giovernment and then repeated by worldwide politicians and media (I still hear people pushing falsehoods such as heads cut off, children placed in ovens, pregnant women’s stomachs cut open…), exactitude is paramount, especially when one compares with the casualties caused in retaliation.

 

   Could you provide a link to the stories spread by the Israeli Government that were untrue ?

Remember, they must have been spread by the Israeli Government 

[beautifulthailand99]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

But you are a Putin fan and self confessed flat earther

If smears and lies make you happy, then it would be churlish and uncharitable of me to disabuse you of your happiness.

[rattlesnake]

"Are They 'Hamas'?" 12,300 Children Killed by Israeli Forces in Gaza

 

Gruesome new data shows that kids make up around 43% of the death toll from Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip.

 

Israeli forces have killed more than 12,300 Palestinian children in the Gaza Strip in just over four months, a staggering toll that's likely to grow as the Netanyahu government ramps up its assault on and prepares to invade the overcrowded city of Rafah.

 

https://www.commondreams.org/news/gaza-children-killed-israel

[rattlesnake]

1 minute ago, transam said:

I thought you might have..........

 

I confirm it is an interesting book to read.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

If smears and lies make you happy, then it would be churlish and uncharitable of me to disabuse you of your happiness.

Facts only. 

[Nick Carter icp]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Common propaganda out of proportion to shock the world and make biased sympathy. Happens in every war, and best documented was when Evil Saddam Hussain invaded innocent Kuwait. 

 

   The Israeli Government  downplayed events and refrained from publicising the atrocities 

[transam]

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

 

My question to transam was simple and without hidden motive. Given the context, I prefer exact figures and specific references rather than ambiguous sweeping statements.

Are you saying men, women, pensioners, children were not murdered at the hands of Hamas........?

Plus, I haven't mentioned figures once in these threads because I don't know.

The West's press has seen the carnage at the hands of Hamas on 7/11 via a private screen showing........🤨