12 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that.

 

   Are you trolling ?

Israel isn't holding any hostages , its just Hamas who are holding hostages 

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Are you trolling ?

Israel isn't holding any hostages , its just Hamas who are holding hostages 

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge?

About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial.

Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge?

About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial.

Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails

 

   They are not being held hostage though 

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

How many Palestinian prisoners are being held without charge?

About 3,660 Palestinians being held in Israel are under administrative detention, according to Addameer. An administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial.

Neither the administrative detainees, who include women and children, nor their lawyers are allowed to see the “secret evidence” that Israeli forces say form the basis for their arrests. These people have been arrested by the military for renewable periods of time, meaning the arrest duration is indefinite and could last for many years. The administrative detainees include 41 children and 12 women, according to Addameer.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/4/17/palestinian-prisoners-day-how-many-palestinians-are-in-israeli-jails

One of the children, 17 years old and they are not being held hostage.

 

 

This is a hostage who was also raped before being taken to Gaza and where she is probably still getting raped in the hellish tunnels:

 

 

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They are not being held hostage though 

Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord

Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord

 

administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing

Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp

In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45

Just now, vinny41 said:

Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord

Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord

 

administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing

Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp

In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45

Another hostage just retrieved by the IDF, murdered by Hamas and held hostage for over 200 days:

 

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2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Hostages held by Hamas are not allowed to leave of their own accord

Palestinian held by Israel as administrative detainees are not allowed to leave of their own accord

 

administrative detainee is someone held in prison without charge or trial It amounts to the same thing

Remember Guantanamo Bay detention camp

In 2010, Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, a former aide to Secretary of State Colin Powell, stated in an affidavit that top U.S. officials, including President George W. Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, had known that the majority of the detainees initially sent to Guantánamo were innocent, but that the detainees had been kept there for reasons of political expedience

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#cite_note-45

 

   Look up the word "Hostage".

A person being held and demands being made for their release .

No demands are being made or wanted for the Palestine release from jail 

15 hours ago, vinny41 said:

And still no  independently verified evidence of The Quincy Institute being extremely antisemitic.

In the past merely the accusation was sufficient to shut down whatever the israelis wanted to shut down. That no longer works.

Shouting "wolf" too many times has exposed it for what it is.

18 hours ago, Neeranam said:

  

Do you think this is All Muslims? 

 

Yes... and to deny it is as ignorant as you seem to think that I am... muslims hate and terrorize... they are the instigators whether it be overtly or covertly... none of them are part of any solution... they either are aggressors or do not say anything because they know that the mullahs will have them killed if they do.

This is absolutely vile. We have posters here making lame attempts to compare the innocent hostages held for reward in terrible conditions in tunnels. Raped, abused and murdered. Women and children. Some taken by Gazans civilians and sold to Hamas for blood money. There is NO moral equivalence, a shameful comparison.

 

https://x.com/YakiLopez/status/1792274497887674459

 

 

 

 

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said Sunday that the footage was shown earlier that day to the family, who “asked us to share it with the world to expose Hamas’s terror, to expose Hamas’s cruelty, to expose Hamas’s barbarism.”

 

 

IDF releases Hamas propaganda video recovered from Gaza of former child hostage

The clip itself was filmed by the Hamas terrorists but never publicly released. The family approved the military’s publication of the video.

Ela and her older sister, Dafna Elyakim, 15, were kidnapped together on October 7 from Kibbutz Nahal Oz, after their father, Noam, his girlfriend, Dikla, and Dikla’s son, Tomer, were all murdered by the terrorists.

After the recovery of the bodies of four hostages on Friday, it is believed that 124 people abducted by Hamas on October 7 remain in Gaza, with the deaths of 37 of them confirmed by Israeli authorities.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-releases-hamas-propaganda-video-recovered-from-gaza-of-former-child-hostage/

 

8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Look up the word "Hostage".

A person being held and demands being made for their release .

No demands are being made or wanted for the Palestine release from jail 

During the ceasefire talks Palestinian prisoners including administrative detainee ratio numbers, age, male or female and can Israel hold a veto on who is being released and the timings of their release are discussed by

Israel and Hamas 

2023 Israeli–Palestinian prisoner exchange

Israel released 240 Palestinian prisoners, 107 of whom were between 14 and 17 years old, and three-quarters of whom had not been convicted of a crime, although some were awaiting trial in a military court.[1] In exchange, Hamas released 105 civilians, which included 81 people from Israel, 23 Thais and one Filipino.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange

In 2012 ICJ issued the following

“Under international law, administrative detention is unlawful, except in narrow circumstances as an exceptional and temporary measure.  However, Israel has routinely resorted to unlawful prolonged administrative detention of individuals from the Occupied Palestinian Territory, sometimes as an alternative to criminal proceedings,” said Saïd Benarbia, Senior Legal Adviser for the Middle East and North Africa Programme. “Israeli authorities must comply with their obligations under international law and fully guarantee the rights of persons arrested or imprisoned without charge to the presumption of innocence, medical assistance, communication with family members and full and unrestricted access to a legal counsel.”

https://www.icj.org/israel-must-end-abusive-practice-of-administrative-detention-and-ensure-humane-treatment-of-hunger-strikers/

According to Haaretz, as of March, at least 27 detainees from Gaza had died in Israeli military facilities since the beginning of the war, including some at Sde Teiman. One of the most recent deaths to be confirmed was Adnan al-Bursh, a Palestinian doctor who was reportedly arrested in December at Al-Awda Hospital in northern Gaza; it was announced this month that al-Bursh had died in Ofer Prison in April. The Israeli authorities have refused to give details about the circumstances of his death.

After the shocking images were exposed, Israeli officials admitted that approximately 90 percent of the detainees were civilians unaffiliated with any militant groups.

https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-torture-prisoners/

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

During the ceasefire talks Palestinian prisoners including administrative detainee ratio numbers, age, male or female and can Israel hold a veto on who is being released and the timings of their release are discussed by

Israel and Hamas 

2023 Israeli–Palestinian prisoner exchange

Israel released 240 Palestinian prisoners, 107 of whom were between 14 and 17 years old, and three-quarters of whom had not been convicted of a crime, although some were awaiting trial in a military court.[1] In exchange, Hamas released 105 civilians, which included 81 people from Israel, 23 Thais and one Filipino.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_Israeli–Palestinian_prisoner_exchange

In 2012 ICJ issued the following

“Under international law, administrative detention is unlawful, except in narrow circumstances as an exceptional and temporary measure.  However, Israel has routinely resorted to unlawful prolonged administrative detention of individuals from the Occupied Palestinian Territory, sometimes as an alternative to criminal proceedings,” said Saïd Benarbia, Senior Legal Adviser for the Middle East and North Africa Programme. “Israeli authorities must comply with their obligations under international law and fully guarantee the rights of persons arrested or imprisoned without charge to the presumption of innocence, medical assistance, communication with family members and full and unrestricted access to a legal counsel.”

https://www.icj.org/israel-must-end-abusive-practice-of-administrative-detention-and-ensure-humane-treatment-of-hunger-strikers/

According to Haaretz, as of March, at least 27 detainees from Gaza had died in Israeli military facilities since the beginning of the war, including some at Sde Teiman. One of the most recent deaths to be confirmed was Adnan al-Bursh, a Palestinian doctor who was reportedly arrested in December at Al-Awda Hospital in northern Gaza; it was announced this month that al-Bursh had died in Ofer Prison in April. The Israeli authorities have refused to give details about the circumstances of his death.

After the shocking images were exposed, Israeli officials admitted that approximately 90 percent of the detainees were civilians unaffiliated with any militant groups.

https://www.972mag.com/sde-teiman-torture-prisoners/

Conspiracy theory rubbish at best. Deliberate false claim. Hostages are hostages. Prisoners are prisoners. Look it up. It’s a fact.

 

 

A link to a website making false claims has been removed. To be clear. Hamas are holding hostages. Israel is not. Any further posts making this claim will be removed.

Stefanik calls for wiping Hamas ‘off the face of the Earth’ and touts Trump policies in speech to Israeli Knesset

 

The Trump position on the Gaza war is hard-line.

18 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Release the hostages on both sides. I'm all for that.

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

Then the return of land taken by settlers, and forming a Palestinian State would be the next best thing. 

 

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

Then the return of land taken by settlers, and forming a Palestinian State would be the next best thing. 

 

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

38 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

Then the return of land taken by settlers, and forming a Palestinian State would be the next best thing. 

 

Indeed, the release of all administrative prisoners and hostages would be a good starting point for peace talks. 

 

Wake up Neeranam, Hamas the terrorists have refused any hostage deal, they broke the last one back in early Dec and have refused everyone since.

 

They've also refused the orders from ICJ and UN to release the hostages. Why are you not calling for the release of all hostages with no pre conditions, rewarding terrorists is ok with you?

Breaking news

 

EXCLUSIVE: ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza war

 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023: 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for  the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Breaking news

 

EXCLUSIVE: ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza war

 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Yahya SINWAR (Head of the Islamic Resistance Movement (“Hamas”) in the Gaza Strip), Mohammed Diab Ibrahim AL-MASRI, more commonly known as DEIF (Commander-in-Chief of the military wing of Hamas, known as the Al-Qassam Brigades), and Ismail HANIYEH (Head of Hamas Political Bureau) bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of Israel and the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 7 October 2023: 

 

On the basis of evidence collected and examined by my Office, I have reasonable grounds to believe that Benjamin NETANYAHU, the Prime Minister of Israel, and Yoav GALLANT, the Minister of Defence of Israel, bear criminal responsibility for  the following war crimes and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine (in the Gaza strip) from at least 8 October 2023:

 

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statement-icc-prosecutor-karim-aa-khan-kc-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state

There is already a topic running on this, please discuss here:

 

ICC Seeks Arrest Warrants for Sinwar and Netanyahu Over War Crimes & October 7 Attack

https://aseannow.com/topic/1327742-icc-seeks-arrest-warrants-for-sinwar-and-netanyahu-over-war-crimes-october-7-attack

 

14 hours ago, owl sees all said:

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

The writing may be on the wall, but one fears that it will be erased by IMO bad actors in the US.

14 hours ago, owl sees all said:

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

 

Israelis are about half or Arabic descent and about 20 % of European descent .

   Israel is where all the Iranian, Moroccan , Sudanese , and many other Arab Countries Jews fled to .

   Jews originate  from Arabia , do you originate from Thailand ?

16 hours ago, owl sees all said:

One country, one person one vote, equality for all. Everyone getting along no matter what god is worshiped. Like it was before Palestine was over run by Europeans. If Israel don't wake up and smell the coffee, even that might not be possible.

 

The writing is on the wall for the regime.

Another one living in a dream world. Have you forgotten about Hamas? There's a reason they need eliminating.

Biden: Gaza not a genocide, US wants Hamas beaten

US President Joe Biden says his administration “stand[s] with Israel to take out Sinwar and the rest of the butchers of Hamas.”

“We want Hamas defeated, and we’re working with Israel to make that happen,” Biden says at a White House event marking Jewish American Heritage Month.

“Contrary to allegations made against Israel in the International Court of Justice, what’s happening is not genocide,” Biden asserts.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-gaza-not-a-genocide-us-wants-hamas-beaten/

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Israelis are about half or Arabic descent and about 20 % of European descent .

   Israel is where all the Iranian, Moroccan , Sudanese , and many other Arab Countries Jews fled to .

   Jews originate  from Arabia , do you originate from Thailand ?

It was - and still is - the Europeans that were/are rampaging across Palestine evicting Semites from the land and forcing them out of their homes.

 

If some foreigner did that to any reasonable person they would expect some resistance.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Another one living in a dream world. Have you forgotten about Hamas? There's a reason they need eliminating.

Did Israel not start Hamas up, and fund them for years?

 

Kill one Hamas fighter and two will take their place.

6 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Did Israel not start Hamas up, and fund them for years?

 

Kill one Hamas fighter and two will take their place.

No they did not start Hamas. No they did not fund them. Check your facts or go to one of the historical topics. Your finishing  sentence is just as nonsense. 

 

You also totally diverted from the question.

6 hours ago, owl sees all said:

It was - and still is - the Europeans that were/are rampaging across Palestine evicting Semites from the land and forcing them out of their homes.

 

If some foreigner did that to any reasonable person they would expect some resistance.

 

   This thread is about the war in Gaza . 

Settlements in the West bank is a different area and a different topic

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   This thread is about the war in Gaza . 

Settlements in the West bank is a different area and a different topic

So the people in Gaza have not had their homes stolen? They can look over the fence and see their old land. They used to be able to fish in the sea too,