British and Norwegian nationals arrested for illegal employment

[DonniePeverley]

I had Russian cut my hair. Was she allowed to do that ?

[ChipButty]

7 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

12.000 Thais working illegally in Saudi Arabia..... But no mention of that here

 

One got arrested in London last week 10 year overstay

[ChipButty]

2 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

I had Russian cut my hair. Was she allowed to do that ?

Probably not, where was she doing it? was it in salon? I have heard around where I live they are doing it from home

[ChipButty]

10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Duangchalerm

I remember him that was years ago, 

[CartagenaWarlock]

7 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

in the West you can earn more than here in Thailand.. O the difference is it is here cheaper to live so probably it seems to have more money.. But be fair in the West foreigners earn far more than 35.000 THB for  being a teacher.. But here in Thailand it seems a lot of money

Have you seen the amount of posting in Facebook groups about finding jobs in Thailand and offering to help strangers with their menial work like moving, babysitting, etc.? If not, please go to those groups and find out. And most of these job seekers are from Western countries. When I point this out, I am attacked for not helping people. 

[jacko45k]

On 3/10/2024 at 7:58 AM, retarius said:

Thailand doesn't need expats. We should obey the laws when we are here, even if they are not the same laws as in our own. When in Rome....and all that. You sound like a colonialist thinking all the Africans should be grateful to the Brits for bringing them civilisation.

I was thinking of this last night.... Thailand doesn't need retirees, but some working Expats could be of benefit. The retirees are easy money though.

[LivingNThailand]

9 hours ago, DonniePeverley said:

had Russian cut my hair. Was she allowed to do that ?

Absolutely not.  

[BritScot]

On 3/10/2024 at 12:46 AM, CartagenaWarlock said:

Please move to warm countries. I bet you won't or cannot. Show me by moving. I will bet you'll keep posting in this forum to enrich the forum owner. Your only voice is this forum made specifically to make money from people like you, and nobody on earth cares about your opinions. 

Stupid is, stupid does. People like me, are you some sort of racist? I still have property in Thailand, I've lived and worked in Thailand since 2002 and since 2005 came across the early Thai visa (I think) for advertising jobs. I am married to a Thai and we have two children, so I think I've earned the right to comment.  Why would I worry or be jealous about Thai visa earning  as they have provided a service to expats for years. With your name I imagine a sad little nobody who has seen nothing and done nothing, hitting a keyboard in their fantasy world. Sad very sad.

[BritScot]

On 3/10/2024 at 12:58 AM, retarius said:

Thailand doesn't need expats. We should obey the laws when we are here, even if they are not the same laws as in our own. When in Rome....and all that. You sound like a colonialist thinking all the Africans should be grateful to the Brits for bringing them civilisation.

Actually we did and if you knew anything about history you would also.  What a bizzare thing to say about Africa. You sound as if you think Africans should still be in mud huts killing each other and slave trading each other. These things were stopped under British colonisation. Only an idiot would say that Africa is better now and more prosperous after we left. People should never forget GB stopped piracy at the cost of over 3,000 British sailors and freed slaves at a cost which left Britain with a debt it only recently paid off. Phew!!!

[MangoKorat]

What this all comes down to is:

 

With regard to the man who has been acting as a tour guide on Phuket, whether you agree with the law that prevents that or not (I don't), he seems to have been carrying out such employment and if so, is guilty. Slam dunk.

 

However in relation to the hotel manager, the question is whether or not carrying out a minor task, which based on the report, is what it was, should be considered as breaching the Thai Labour Laws? When does a favour become an occupation? Say you're a bar owner, a customer walks into the bar and orders a drink but your staff are at the toilet. Is it so wrong for you to open a bottle of beer for that customer?  Would that actually be depriving a Thai of a job?  If you don't have any or not enough waiting staff and are regularly serving customers then you are breaking the law.

 

Based on the reports this woman has legal employment within the tourist industry. If all she's done is given a lift, on one occassion - again, is that so bad? If she has been doing it regularly, that is a different matter.

 

Surely common sense should apply? - and in fact it might, we know not at this stage.

 

 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

 

Surely common sense should apply? - and in fact it might, we know not at this stage.

 

 

How is this common sense played out in more civilized countries? USA, Australia and Europe? 

 

In my country, they are deported just for picking and selling berries if they are catched.

 

Most common thais comes on tourist visas, and work massage or escorts. In that case they are treated as trafficking victims

[MangoKorat]

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

How is this common sense played out in more civilized countries? USA, Australia and Europe? 

 

In my country, they are deported just for picking and selling berries if they are catched.

 

Most common thais comes on tourist visas, and work massage or escorts. In that case they are treated as trafficking victims

I'm not really interested in what happens in other countries. This report concerns Thailand and in my opinion, common sense should apply.

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

I'm not really interested in what happens in other countries. This report concerns Thailand and in my opinion, common sense should apply.

So what is comon sense? The Norwegian lady driving a branded company car with customers to the ferry? Is she doing something she shouldn't? Or is it legal? My best guess, she do this quite often, and the locals knows about it, and she became an easy target for the operation. 

 

Divemasters who is employed by a diving company, can not carry their own bottles onboard, because it would violate their work permit restrictions. Thats what you have to play by when being allowed to work in Thailand. I know many violate the rules because everyone does it, but for us who have visited thailand frequently and also lived here, we know about these randomly checks by emigration, comes with a surprise on everyone, followed  by this outrage against the consequences they suddenly so unfair and unfortunate experienced.

Edited March 11 by Hummin

[MangoKorat]

11 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So what is comon sense? The Norwegian lady driving a branded company car with customers to the ferry? Is she doing something she shouldn't? Or is it legal? My best guess, she do this quite often, and the locals knows about it, and she became an easy target for the operation. 

I think you've answered your own question. If she was indeed, transporting customers around regularly, then she was breaking the law and that would be quite clear.

 

However, I think the Thai authorities should take a look at each category of work that is available to foreigners and possibly allow a little flexibility in terms of the scope of such employment.  After all, in many cases foreigners are actually providing jobs for Thais that didn't previously exist. That rarely seems to count but it should.

 

That is what I think - however, I am fully aware that the Thai authorities are unlikely to apply any logic to their thoughts.  Selfishness and illogical thinking has always prevailed in Thailand.

 

I can't think of any better way to explain what I mean by that than to go back a few years - before the advent of booking websites.  In bad times when tourist numbers were down, instead of putting on promotions and offering discounts to try and attract more business, hotels in Thailand would often put their prices up! I remember those days quite well - I just couldn't work it out. Totally illogical and the opposite of what most would do. Harming business rather than enhancing it.

 

In much the same way, they are unlikely to consider serving one drink - as I postured in a previous post, as a one off.  I may think that logical thinking should be applied to the application of the Labour Laws but I am very aware that its unlikely to happen.

 

[Joinaman]

On 3/9/2024 at 4:44 AM, SAFETY FIRST said:

We are going to see more and more of these articles, so many losers coming to Thailand now, without money.

 

I see so many postings on social media, people asking 'how do I get work in Thailand'? etc. 

 

Its always been the case but now we have the likes of Dan About Thailand and similar broadcasting how cheap and that it's an oasis, a peaceful, beautiful sanctuary etc. these listeners are packing their bags and relocating. 

 

 

 

so is it illegal for me to take or pick up my friends from the ferry, even though i do not charge ?

 

[vinny41]

41 minutes ago, Hummin said:

So what is comon sense? The Norwegian lady driving a branded company car with customers to the ferry? Is she doing something she shouldn't? Or is it legal? My best guess, she do this quite often, and the locals knows about it, and she became an easy target for the operation. 

 

Divemasters who is employed by a diving company, can not carry their own bottles onboard, because it would violate their work permit restrictions. Thats what you have to play by when being allowed to work in Thailand. I know many violate the rules because everyone does it, but for us who have visited thailand frequently and also lived here, we know about these randomly checks by emigration, comes with a surprise on everyone, followed  by this outrage against the consequences they suddenly so unfair and unfortunate experienced.

With the Norwegian lady driving a branded company car with customers to the ferry in the event of a serious accident would the resort car insurance accept liability assuming she was in the wrong  and pay out or would they try to wiggle out based on she was doing something not within her work permit, If the resort's car insurance wiggled out and refused to accept liability the next step would be to try and claim against the resort's insurance or would they wiggle out on the same basis

most insurance companies  i know will try to avoid paying out if they can find a way out

Common sense and insurance doesn't always go together in agreement

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

With the Norwegian lady driving a branded company car with customers to the ferry in the event of a serious accident would the resort car insurance accept liability assuming she was in the wrong  and pay out or would they try to wiggle out based on she was doing something not within her work permit, If the resort's car insurance wiggled out and refused to accept liability the next step would be to try and claim against the resort's insurance or would they wiggle out on the same basis

most insurance companies  i know will try to avoid paying out if they can find a way out

Common sense and insurance doesn't always go together in agreement

Most likely the insurance company wouldnt botter if her license was valid and insurance was liable for her and the company as designated driver of the car. 

[vinny41]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Most likely the insurance company wouldnt botter if her license was valid and insurance was liable for her and the company as designated driver of the car. 

I am not sure about that if the insurance company asked to see the police report and the police reported stated she was arrested for acting as a taxi service which is outside the remit of her work permit

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I am not sure about that if the insurance company asked to see the police report and the police reported stated she was arrested for acting as a taxi service which is outside the remit of her work permit

The easy answer, Im not sure, and I personally wouldnt take the risk if I had invested in a business in Thailand. 

 

I do work at our farm without work permit, but we are not a commercial farm yet, so I do not worry to much about it. However, I do not let the family take any pictures of me while working and post on social media. 

Edited March 11 by Hummin

[Ralf001]

37 minutes ago, Joinaman said:

so is it illegal for me to take or pick up my friends from the ferry, even though i do not charge ?

 

No.

 

[john donson]

so many thais stay not even illegaly but also working illegaly in many countries

 

sad state if you are retired, you cannot even make a few bucks driving your car as bolt or whatever...