Foreigners among World Central Kitchen staff killed in Israeli strike

[retarius]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-starvation-food-beans-israel-b2523989.html#comments-area

 

An uncomfortable article from the Independent.

Poor Israel. It has gotten harder and harder to accuse anyone of barbarism with photos like this detailing their atrocities being printed in large circulation media outlets.

Alongside this war crime worthy indictment, the western media is now full of the barbarity of the Russia for supposedly double tapping (ie sending two flocks of drones separately by a few minutes; using tear gas on Ukraine troops etc). All the accusations are evidence free of course, as all western accusations seem to be.

Anyway, I hope this poor starved little girl or chap survives to become the poster child for Israeli barbarism and atrocity.

 

 

Edited April 8 by Rimmer
inflammatory text removed

[Neeranam]

23 hours ago, retarius said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/gaza-starvation-food-beans-israel-b2523989.html#comments-area

 

An uncomfortable article from the Independent.

Poor Israel. It has gotten harder and harder to accuse anyone of barbarism with photos like this detailing their atrocities being printed in large circulation media outlets.

Alongside this war crime worthy indictment, the western media is now full of the barbarity of the Russia for supposedly double tapping (ie sending two flocks of drones separately by a few minutes; using tear gas on Ukraine troops etc). All the accusations are evidence free of course, as all western accusations seem to be.

Anyway, I hope this poor starved little girl or chap survives to become the poster child for Israeli barbarism and atrocity.

 

 

‘Israel is making deliberate choices to starve civilians’ says Oxfam

 

Something I've said before here..... 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you think Hamas are heroic in the way they fight for freedom, by butchering, torturing and raping civilians? Deliberately, not by way of collateral damage. 

and do you think the israelis are heroic in the way they fight for freedom, by dropping very big bombs on innocent children and women, deliberately, knowing they are in the buildings they bomb, and by humiliating Palestinians by parading them in their underwear?

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

This will seem outrageous to some, just like when I mentioned "Genocide' a few months ago, my posts were removed and how Israel are starving the Gazan civilians. As time goes on and Israel again and again and again make 'mistakes' these things are accepted by most. 

 

 

Shame isn't it, Gazans leaders started it all for them, of course you will never accept that fact, that is a shame too...

[Wobblybob]

9 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

This will seem outrageous to some, just like when I mentioned "Genocide' a few months ago, my posts were removed and how Israel are starving the Gazan civilians. As time goes on and Israel again and again and again make 'mistakes' these things are accepted by most. 

 

 

It's a war mistakes are made, show us all one war where mistakes were not made, 7/10 was deliberate and not a mistake, see the difference?

[Bkk Brian]

48 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

‘Israel is making deliberate choices to starve civilians’ says Oxfam

 

Something I've said before here..... 

 

Just because Amitabh Behar Oxfam’s international executive director does not make it so.

 

 

The Data Show Israel Is Not Causing a Gazan Famine

Despite the war, three-quarters of greenhouse acres were still available as of Feb. 15, according to a United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) report, which has the latest available data. . COGAT data show that 290,000 tons of food and beverages have been delivered to Gaza since October — recently as many as 200 truckloads a day. Full distribution of these supplies would deliver about 1.82 pounds of food daily for each of the 2 million people in Gaza. 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2024/04/05/the_data_show_israel_is_not_causing_a_gazan_famine_150751.html

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

In my opinion, Israel are killing aid agencies as they want them to fear helping the Gazans. Some are already pulling out. You  can't hide Genocide Netanyahu you idiot.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2024/04/04/middleeast/gaza-wck-aid-suspended-famine-intl/index.html

 

   Your link does actually say that some of the agencies are suspending operations in Gaza , rather than "pulling out"

   Temporarily stopped , rather than "pulling out" .

Some of the aid groups are continuing giving free food out 

[youreavinalaff]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL.

The aid workers informed the IDF, who approved their journey

They were deliberately targeted by the IDF.

This wasn't some mortar bomb that went off target by accident, it was a directed missile strike.

Laughing at deaths in war zones?

 

Not good.

[Wobblybob]

21 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Surely someone can?  

Deliberately flaming by using another posters antisemitic post!

 

 

[sirineou]

58 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Laughing at deaths in war zones?

 

Not good.

I think he is laughing at the idea that they were not targeted by the IDF.

[sirineou]

By the way,

Thousands of brown aid workers were targeted and killed by the IDF and no outrage as we see when this happens to 6 whites. 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, sirineou said:

By the way,

Thousands of brown aid workers were targeted and killed by the IDF and no outrage as we see when this happens to 6 whites. 

No there weren't, stop lying

[billd766]

On 4/6/2024 at 10:24 AM, Jingthing said:

That's a complex question.

Did they intend to kill the targets?

Obviously.

Did they know they were killing food aid workers?

Seems so. 

Should be investigated by an external party.

Did they think there were also Hamas targets?

Maybe.

Should be investigated by an external party.

Was this hit authorized at the highest levels?

Unknown.

Should be investigated by an external party.

Well according to the BBC the IDF enquiry results are in and published.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68742572

 

The IDF's investigation concluded that the army unit involved had believed the vehicles they were tracking from the sky had been taken over by Hamas gunmen, and that they were not aware of the coordination procedures put in place between the military and World Central Kitchen for that evening.

It also said they also did not know the cars belonged to the charity, and the three air strikes were in violation of the army's own procedures.

 

The evidence from the investigation has been passed to the Military Advocate General - the Israeli army's top legal authority - to determine if there has been any criminal conduct.

In addition, the army has sacked the major in charge of fire support. The brigade's chief of staff, a colonel, has also been sacked. The divisional commander, brigade commander and the general in charge of the IDF's Southern Command have been formally reprimanded.

 

Every poster can make their own mind up how true this is.

 

IF it is true, then it shows what a shambles the IDF with no information passing up or down the chain of command.

 

IF it is not true then it simply shows what a shambles the IDF is.

 

Worse than Fred Karno's army.

 

Personally, I believe the second.

 

For those who have no idea who Fred Karno was, look here.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred+karno's+army+meaning&sca_esv=6702d8133b3a2eb3&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn09oniZ_XddAjwaKFYpP_p5zOcWfVg%3A1712474670933&source=hp&ei=LkoSZujnNoKQnesPztS20Aw&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZhJYPgaSF9v-U0N8WrE-7jzP6T-sht1t&oq=fred+Karno'&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IgtmcmVkIEthcm5vJyoCCAEyCBAuGNQCGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgAQyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIIEC4YgAQY1AIyBhAAGBYYHjIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHkjEjQFQAFjCZ3AAeACQAQCYAXygAbwIqgEDOC4zuAEByAEA-AEBmAILoAK0CcICChAjGIAEGIoFGCfCAhEQLhiDARjHARixAxjRAxiABMICCxAuGIMBGLEDGIAEwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAg4QLhiABBixAxjHARjRA8ICCBAAGIAEGLEDwgIEECMYJ8ICCBAuGIAEGLEDwgILEC4YgAQYsQMYgwHCAgUQLhiABMICCxAuGIAEGMcBGNEDwgIHEAAYgAQYCsICCxAuGIAEGMcBGK8BmAMAkgcDMi45oAe_mwE&sclient=gws-wiz

 

A type of chaotic organization, named for the comedian Fred Karno (1866–1941); his 'Army' was the company which gave a solid start or valuable experience to many comedians. 'We are Fred Karno's army, the ragtime infantry', perhaps referring to 'Kitchener's Army', was one of the trench songs of the First World War.

[billd766]

5 hours ago, coolcarer said:

The veil slipped to reveal a bigoted Jew hater and another anonymous one who gave your post a big fat plus 1. 
 

They walk among us. 

That was me, and perhaps you should do a little research before spreading lies about me.

 

I am NOT a Jew hater NOR am I a terrorist supporter which another poster attributed to me.

 

What I am, is a person who cannot understand why some people seem to support the mass slaughter, murder and genocide.

 

By not opposing mass slaughter, murder and genocide, you seem to be one such person.

[coolcarer]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

That was me, and perhaps you should do a little research before spreading lies about me.

 

I am NOT a Jew hater NOR am I a terrorist supporter which another poster attributed to me.

 

What I am, is a person who cannot understand why some people seem to support the mass slaughter, murder and genocide.

 

By not opposing mass slaughter, murder and genocide, you seem to be one such person.

You gave a plus 1 like to a Jew hating conspiracy post. Own it for what it is.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Neeranam said:

Surely someone can?  

 

  It is an off topic question and answering it would mean going off topic and it would be deleted for being off topic 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, billd766 said:

 

What I am, is a person who cannot understand why some people seem to support the mass slaughter, murder and genocide.

 

 

 

   Those were the actions carried out by Hamas on Oct 7th , Israel vowed to make sure they can never do it again and that is why Israel is hunting Hamas down .

   Israel are waging war to stop mass slaughter, murder and genocide happening again 

[billd766]

19 hours ago, transam said:

Well, we all know Hamas don't, the executioners you seem to protect.....

Actually WE, the plural don't all KNOW that. what we have is your biased word and that of other biased posters.

 

So far, very few people away from agree with your point of view, but nobody KNOWS the real casualty figures as many innocent men, women and children are still buried in the rubble and the IDF will not allow rescue workers in to search the wreckage. Nor will the IDF allow independent news reporters access to those areas either.

 

AFAICS either the IDF is telling the truth and Hamas is telling lies, OR the IDF is telling lies and Hamas is telling the truth, OR they are both telling the truth (as they see it) but spinning the story in their own favour, OR both are telling lies.

 

Personally I prefer to believe none of the stories but if I had to I would choose option  #3, they are both telling the truth (as they see it) but spinning the story in their own favour.

 

 

[youreavinalaff]

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

I think he is laughing at the idea that they were not targeted by the IDF.

Why is he? My comment that he quoted didn't say they weren't.

[billd766]

18 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

You gave a plus 1 like to a Jew hating conspiracy post. Own it for what it is.

I gave a +1 to a post. I have given +1 to many posts.

 

What is your problem with this particular post?

 

If, having read my post, you still do not understand, then YOU are part of the problem

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

I gave a +1 to a post. I have given +1 to many posts.

 

What is your problem with this particular post?

 

If, having read my post, you still do not understand, then YOU are part of the problem

Deflection. Try reading the vile post you supported with a like

[Danny Australia]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

No there weren't, stop lying

 

World Central Kitchen Deaths Reveal Toll on Gaza Aid Workers | TIME

 

You are a notorious habitual liar who keeps accusing descent people of lying. No shame at all.

 

This is an extract from the link above 'Since Israel began its military campaign to root out Hamas from Gaza on Oct. 7, at least 203 aid workers have been killed, according to the Aid Worker Security Database, which tracks attacks on humanitarian relief workers worldwide. This figure is higher than the total number of aid worker fatalities that typically occur annually worldwide.'

 

So, he was not lying as mor than 203 aid workers were killed in Gaza with hundreds or possibly thousands injured or under the rubble.

 

Israel has been systematically killing aid workers. It's a fact. But we all know that you only rely on IOF sources (Israel Offensive Force).

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Danny Australia said:

 

World Central Kitchen Deaths Reveal Toll on Gaza Aid Workers | TIME

 

You are a notorious habitual liar who keeps accusing descent people of lying. No shame at all.

 

This is an extract from the link above 'Since Israel began its military campaign to root out Hamas from Gaza on Oct. 7, at least 203 aid workers have been killed, according to the Aid Worker Security Database, which tracks attacks on humanitarian relief workers worldwide. This figure is higher than the total number of aid worker fatalities that typically occur annually worldwide.'

 

So, he was not lying as mor than 203 aid workers were killed in Gaza with hundreds or possibly thousands injured or under the rubble.

 

Israel has been systematically killing aid workers. It's a fact. But we all know that you only rely on IOF sources (Israel Offensive Force).

The poster claimed thousands were targeted and killed, now who is a liar? Still got that tin foil hat on?

 

1 hour ago, sirineou said:

By the way,

Thousands of brown aid workers were targeted and killed by the IDF and no outrage as we see when this happens to 6 whites. 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

World Central Kitchen Deaths Reveal Toll on Gaza Aid Workers | TIME

 

You are a notorious habitual liar who keeps accusing descent people of lying. No shame at all.

 

 

   "descent" means to go down .

Did you mean to use some other word ?

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and do you think the israelis are heroic in the way they fight for freedom, by dropping very big bombs on innocent children and women, deliberately, knowing they are in the buildings they bomb, and by humiliating Palestinians by parading them in their underwear?

 

   The Palestinians were not being paraded in their underwear . 

The Prisoners were being searched for weapons and suicide vests and they were made to change clothes and wear prisoner clothes and when you change clothes  you need to take your clothes off .

   Someone filmed the prisoners changing clothes 

[Danny Australia]

6 hours ago, coolcarer said:

The veil slipped to reveal a bigoted Jew hater and another anonymous one who gave your post a big fat plus 1. 
 

They walk among us. 

 

You and some posters here are consistently conflating Jews with Israelis or Zionists. There are millions of decent, peace-loving Jews worldwide, including within Israel, who denounce the atrocities being committed by Israel.

 

Jewish organizations such as 'Jewish Voice for Peace', 'Na'amod', 'Neturei Karta', 'Central Rabbinical Congress', 'Edah HaChareidis', and numerous smaller Jewish youth organizations share this sentiment.

 

In addition, well-known Jewish figures like Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, Norman Finkelstein, Gideon Levy, and many others are individuals of integrity who refuse to be associated with Israel or Zionism.

Therefore, please refrain from conflating Jews and Judaism with a few anonymous individuals who use pseudonyms on various forums to support the tragic events in Gaza falsely in the name of Judaism. The responsibility for these actions lies solely with Israel and Zionists.

 

Its individuals like you and your mates on here that are responsible for spreading lies, keeping defending the indefensible of war crimes, cheering on the genocide and bringing bad name to Jews and Judaism when some of you may not even be Jews but rather some evangelical Christian fanatics, hard-core ideological Zionists or some other twisted ideology with an agenda.
 

[Neeranam]

6 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Its individuals like you and your mates on here that are responsible for spreading lies, keeping defending the indefensible of war crimes, cheering on the genocide and bringing bad name to Jews and Judaism when some of you may not even be Jews but rather some evangelical Christian fanatics, hard-core ideological Zionists or some other twisted ideology with an agenda.

Well said. 

[coolcarer]

5 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

 

You and some posters here are consistently conflating Jews with Israelis or Zionists. There are millions of decent, peace-loving Jews worldwide, including within Israel, who denounce the atrocities being committed by Israel.

 

Jewish organizations such as 'Jewish Voice for Peace', 'Na'amod', 'Neturei Karta', 'Central Rabbinical Congress', 'Edah HaChareidis', and numerous smaller Jewish youth organizations share this sentiment.

 

In addition, well-known Jewish figures like Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, Norman Finkelstein, Gideon Levy, and many others are individuals of integrity who refuse to be associated with Israel or Zionism.

Therefore, please refrain from conflating Jews and Judaism with a few anonymous individuals who use pseudonyms on various forums to support the tragic events in Gaza falsely in the name of Judaism. The responsibility for these actions lies solely with Israel and Zionists.

 

Its individuals like you and your mates on here that are responsible for spreading lies, keeping defending the indefensible of war crimes, cheering on the genocide and bringing bad name to Jews and Judaism when some of you may not even be Jews but rather some evangelical Christian fanatics, hard-core ideological Zionists or some other twisted ideology with an agenda.
 

Too late. Your Jew hating post and conspiracy theory is up and posted.

[sirineou]

1 hour ago, youreavinalaff said:

Why is he? My comment that he quoted didn't say they weren't.

You would have to ask him that, not me,

I just commented on your post of  

"Laughing at deaths in war zones? "

and said that this was IMO am incorrect observation 

[youreavinalaff]

8 minutes ago, sirineou said:

You would have to ask him that, not me,

I just commented on your post of  

"Laughing at deaths in war zones? "

and said that this was IMO am incorrect observation 

To say "LOL" in reply to a post about dying in war zones would suggest otherwise.