Latest developments and discussion of recent events in the Ukraine War

[VBer]

4 minutes ago, tgw said:

quite an interesting video.

shot just at the West entrance to Sudzha on the road from Sumy.

If location is correct, then I doubt that Russian propagandists can freely film a video near Sudzha, especially from Ukrainian side of town.

[tgw]

8 minutes ago, tgw said:

can't really say if these are two infiltrated Ruzzian agents or two idiots.

 

answering my own question and applying Occam's Razor I'll go with the infiltrated Ruzzian agents theory, because of three reasons:

- this video compromises OPSEC

- I would think the Ukrainian army knows about Ruzzian efforts to paint them as Nazis and thus I would expect that the display of Nazi symbols to be strongly discouraged

- there are many efforts by Ruzzia in the past to plant such false narratives: https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-is-there-any-truth-to-russias-ukrainian-nazis-propaganda/a-63970461

 

 

[tgw]

6 minutes ago, VBer said:

If location is correct, then I doubt that Russian propagandists can freely film a video near Sudzha, especially from Ukrainian side of town.

 

depends when.

maybe the video predates the attack.

the other possibility is two infiltrated Ruzzian agents. there are loads of infiltrated Ruzzian agents in the Ukrainian military.

 

anyway, due to Ruzzia's history of lying in addition to the lack of identification on the soldiers, very little credit can be given to this video.

Edited August 15 by tgw

[Seppius]

11 minutes ago, tgw said:

 

quite an interesting video.

shot just at the West entrance to Sudzha on the road from Sumy.
it's very interesting how the soldiers wear no recognizable insignia or colors and how the camera spends time on the Ukrainian armed forces flag on the car.
can't really say if these are two infiltrated Ruzzian agents or two idiots.

 

 

Be interesting for a translation, not doing any harm to the old guy as I can see, yes he might be rubbing it in a bit, but Ukrainians have suffered badly under the Russians

[VBer]

7 minutes ago, candide said:

The interesting question is where exactly did you get that video from?

From Russian propagandist channels, of course them couldn’t skip reposting gift like this.

[VBer]

3 minutes ago, tgw said:

the other possibility is two infiltrated Ruzzian agents. there are loads of infiltrated Ruzzian agents in the Ukrainian military.

They not hiding their faces, it is not possible to still remain to be agent after it.

Instead a constructing complicated theory, why not use Occam’s razor again 😀 and admit that there is a chance that this video is really made by Ukrainian pow’s?

[Social Media]

An inflamatory post making false claims has been removed along with replies. 

[candide]

25 minutes ago, VBer said:

If location is correct, then I doubt that Russian propagandists can freely film a video near Sudzha, especially from Ukrainian side of town.

It's very easy to make a fake signpost

[zmisha]

On 8/14/2024 at 12:34 PM, Mavideol said:

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Kyiv still advancing in Kursk as Moscow opens 400 shelters amid evacuation

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-russia-war-live-joint-033914158.html

 

So bad news for Z guys like me today. Drinking today's morning coffee at 7-11 store in a sad mood. Russia is facing unprecedented aggression.

[stevenl]

2 minutes ago, zmisha said:

So bad news for Z guys like me today. Drinking today's morning coffee at 7-11 store in a sad mood. Russia is facing unprecedented aggression.

Didn't know what to do with this post. Confused, sad, laughing at the nonsense, all is applicable.

[couchpotato]

2 minutes ago, zmisha said:

So bad news for Z guys like me today. Drinking today's morning coffee at 7-11 store in a sad mood. Russia is facing unprecedented aggression.

Obviously too much caffeine to make a statement like that. The dirty aggressors are getting what they deserve.

[transam]

8 minutes ago, zmisha said:

So bad news for Z guys like me today. Drinking today's morning coffee at 7-11 store in a sad mood. Russia is facing unprecedented aggression.

When are you due back to help out.........?  🤭

[Bkk Brian]

19 minutes ago, zmisha said:

So bad news for Z guys like me today. Drinking today's morning coffee at 7-11 store in a sad mood. Russia is facing unprecedented aggression.

They need you back home right now for trench digging in Kursk 🤣

 

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-job-adverts-trench-digging-1939156

[Danderman123]

11 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Accusing me of being a Putin supporter exposes you for spouting nonsense. You have not a shred of proof that I support Putin.

 

I don't have to be desperate to denigrate Biden. IMO he is a warmonger, and I despise warmongers.

So, what is your opinion of Putin and his Special Military Operation?

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, Cameroni said:

All the Ukrainians have demonstrated is that like other nations in history before them, who were hopelessly outgunned and facing a numerically vastly superior military, Ukrainians too are happy to take the war to civilians.

 

We have seen this many times before in history. A nation facing an overwhelming numerically superior army decides out of desperation to take the war to the enemy's civilians. 

 

There is no glory in injuring children, killing civilians and making civilians homeless. Militarily Ukraine's little incursion into Kursk with 1000 troops is the first sign that Ukraine realizes that military defeat is inevitable. This was pure desperation

 

There have been many minor terrorist raids into Russia by Ukraine before. It is nothing new that Ukrainians do this. But to send 1000 troops into civilians areas in Russia, now increased to around 10,000 troops, is basicallly sacrificing your soldiers idiotically. 

 

It's not just military experts who are calling this desperate Ukrainian attempt to entice Russia to bind reserves in the Kursk region and to divert forces from the Donbass militarily useless. Even Ukrainian analysts and Ukrainian troops on the ground see the move as the hopeless operation it clearly is:

 

"But to some Ukrainian servicemen, the attack is nothing but a “distraction” designed to cheer up the public.

 

“Things in the east are pretty bad, and this raid will for a while blind everyone at home – ‘Look, how ballsy we are. We’re kicking a** on their turf,’” Taras, a serviceman strolling in central Kyiv while on a break from the eastern front lines, told Al Jazeera.

 

He withheld his last name and location of his unit in accordance with military regulations."

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/8/whats-behind-ukraines-surprise-incursion-into-russias-kursk-region

 

As this Ukrainian soldier realises "things in the east are pretty bad" for Ukraine. And this raid in Kursk is only going to make things worse for Ukraine, because:

 

1)  Ukrainian troops are, according to Russian reports, firing on civilian houses indiscriminately, waging a terrorist war and killing civilians and injuring children. Therefore Russia will intensify its own war on civilians, which can be made far worse.

 

2)  The Ukrainian troops, by all reports about 10000 now, stand abolutely no chance in Russia, against a numerically vastly superior Russian army, and first reports now are already indicating that the advance has been stopped.

 

3) More volunteers in Russia have now signed up to defend the motherland, counter terror operations are already under way, and we all know what happens to those who invade Russia. In addition battle experienced troops from low priority areas in Ukraine have already been redeployed to Kursk.

 

Makhnovka has already been retaken by Russia, and as Russia keeps sending brigades to Kursk it is clear that the Ukrainian troops have no chance whatsoever to continue the incursion or hold territory long term. In fact Ukrainian troops now are hiding and moving around to avoid combat with Russian forces, in line with the terrorist/guerilla nature of this incursion.

 

Ukraine was basically heading for defeat on the actual fronts, so they threw a handful of troops onto Kursk to unleash terrorist war on cvilians and then pumped more troops in once they saw Russia was naked there.  The hope was that Putin would divert major troops from the actual front to Kursk. But he is not doing that. Putin has not even declared a state of war, which he could do to impose martal law, but he hasn't. He has only declared a counter terrorism operation, which shows that Putin is not overly concerned in a military sense. Even gas supplies to Europe through Kursk are not affected, it has been confirmed.

 

Most likely Zelensky has accepted a negotiated settlement is inevitably going to happen ahead of the US election, and wanted to put Ukraine in a better position for negotiation, but once his troops are kicked out of Kursk, as they will be, that notion too will fail.

 

You seem very unhappy that Ukraine has made significant progress inside Kursk.

 

If you are so concerned about civilian casualties, why don't Ukrainian casualties bother you?

 

 

Edited August 15 by Danderman123

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, zmisha said:

So bad news for Z guys like me today. Drinking today's morning coffee at 7-11 store in a sad mood. Russia is facing unprecedented aggression.

Are you really a Z guy?

 

Did you have some sort of mental breakdown and then throw in with the bad guys?

[Danderman123]

Putin has failed.

 

His attack on Ukraine has failed, and he can't defend Russia.

[Yellowtail]

13 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Putin has failed.

 

His attack on Ukraine has failed, and he can't defend Russia.

So it's over? 

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

So it's over? 

Far from over, unfortunately.

 

Ukraine may have to retreat from Russian territory.

[VBer]

7 hours ago, Seppius said:

Be interesting for a translation, not doing any harm to the old guy as I can see, yes he might be rubbing it in a bit, but Ukrainians have suffered badly under the Russians

And what is your opinion about SS signs on helmet, and cosplaying nazi Germans?

[kwonitoy]

 

[kwonitoy]

 

[Seppius]

25 minutes ago, VBer said:

And what is your opinion about SS signs on helmet, and cosplaying nazi Germans?

 

If I came across a German helmet, I would probably put it on for a photo op, also it looks like he found it in Russia, I doubt it standard Ukraine uniform

[VBer]

21 minutes ago, Seppius said:

If I came across a German helmet, I would probably put it on for a photo op, also it looks like he found it in Russia, I doubt it standard Ukraine uniform

So, wearing nazi symbols and cosplaying nazis while invading Russian soil - is kind of normal?

[GroveHillWanderer]

"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky announced on August 15 that Ukrainian forces had fully captured the Russian town of Sudzha in Kursk Oblast. Commander-in-Chief Oleksandr Syrskyi confirmed that Ukrainian troops have seized control of over 80 settlements, with 1,150 square kilometers of Russian territory now under their authority. A military administration is being established in Sudzha, and Ukraine plans to create a "security zone" to safeguard its border regions and disrupt Russian logistics."

 

Zelensky Announces Complete Liberation of Sudzha, Kursk Oblast from Russian Control

 

Establishing a Ukrainian military administration in Kursk - interesting. I wonder what that portends.

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, VBer said:

So, wearing nazi symbols and cosplaying nazis while invading Russian soil - is kind of normal?

Normal Russian propaganda. 

[Patong2021]

11 hours ago, VBer said:

How did you knew that?

Because the Russians have done it previously. The Ukraine forces are well aware of thee  claims of  Nazisim and measures were taken to prevent such incidents.  There will always be stupidity and some idiot may at some point do similar, but  under the circumstances, when the whole world is watching for missteps, such an action would be unusual.

Your claim of it being Ukrainian has no greater validity than it being a Russian staged event for propaganda purposes.

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Are you really a Z guy?

Did you have some sort of mental breakdown and then throw in with the bad guys?

 

Perhaps he envied the Russian opportunity to loot women's lingerie and home appliances?

[Seppius]

1 hour ago, VBer said:

So, wearing nazi symbols and cosplaying nazis while invading Russian soil - is kind of normal?

It was an old helmet for goodness’s sake, this IS nazzi cosplay...........

[Patong2021]

18 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

If it was a routine deployment which did Austin make such a big deal about it.

 

Next.

 

Because it demonstrated US capabilities and was intended to reassure US allies in the region. In any given week, the US and other militaries will make grand announcements similar to this. Last June, the Russian navy deployed its flotilla to Havana, Cuba for a week and then traveled to  South America.  The flotilla included the Admiral Gorshkov a guided missile frigate,  one of the Russian navy’s most modern stealth models equipped with Zircon hypersonic missiles, which Putin has in the past said can fly nine times faster than the speed of sound at a range of more than 1,000km. It also carried Kalibr and Oniks cruise missiles.  The Kazan a nuclear-powered submarine equipped with missiles from the Kalibr and Oniks families was included.   Where were you when the Russians  did this? Did you accuse them of a provocation?   The Russians had made a similar announcement to the USA. The difference is that the Russian presence was intended to prop up dictatorships, while the US presence is to deter violence.