5 year multiple entry DTV visa (Destination Thailand) from 2024-xx-xx

[patman30]

On 5/30/2024 at 8:38 AM, Liquorice said:

I think you've misunderstood.

You can only extend for 180 days once during the 5-year validity of the visa.

are you certain it is once per visa or once per entry which is the norm

[patman30]

On 5/30/2024 at 10:06 AM, Liquorice said:

What would be the purpose of the one time 180 day extension if you can simply re-enter to get a further 180 days.

many will pay the fee just for the convenience to not travel
others will not pay the fee and take the opportunity to travel
others will do whatever is cheapest like a border run

[JayClay]

8 hours ago, shdmn said:

It doesn't specifically imply multi-entry within the 180 day period with no strings attached and no fees.  I don't think the non-O retirement visa is multi-entry unless you pay extra for that option or fill out a form and pay a fee each time you exit the country.

 

It doesn't specificy any restrictions, either.

 

Yes, you pay more for a multi enty non-O. Just as you pay more for multiple entry categories on any visa. This visa, for example, costs 10,000bt.

 

Re-entry permits are a complely different thing and not relevant when discussing the amount of entries available on a visa while still valid.

[blorg]

9 hours ago, shdmn said:

I don't see anything in there that indicates it is multi-entry with no strings attached.  For example, when you get a retirement visa, you have to either pay more for multi-entry ability, or fill out some form and pay a fee on each exit, otherwise I think you have to renew it again when you re-enter.

 

It's a multi-entry visa. A multi-entry visa is multi-entry, with no additional fees, for the duration of the visa, that is how they work. The price is stated, 10,000B. Other examples would be the METV, Elite, or the non-immigrant "O-X" retirement visa, these are all multi-entry and work the same way, multiple entries for the life of the visa.

 

You need a re-entry permit with either (1) a single entry visa or (2) an extension of stay which is what most retirees are on. An extension of stay is not a visa. If you were on a multi-entry visa like the O-X, you would not need this. That you personally need a re-entry permit just means you are not on a multi-entry visa. It doesn't mean they don't exist.

 

This is a visa, valid for five years, and is explicitly multi-entry.

 

As for eligibility, I'm sure there will be eligibility criteria. It's entirely possible the eligibility criteria will be ridiculous, they have form with this. But none of this has anything to do with whether it's a multi-entry visa, which was your issue with "It doesn't say anything about this being a multi-entry". In fact it does, as confirmed by the MFA.

Edited June 1 by blorg

[baansgr]

On 5/30/2024 at 6:00 AM, BritManToo said:

Looks good, might be an alternative to a retirement VISA/extension.

Stay 180 days, extend once (assuming 1,900bht), border hop, rinse and repeat.

Averaging 3,900bht/year.

Around the same cost as a retirement extension with multi re-entry, but 300kbht less in the bank required.

It's 10, 000 plus 10,000 extension only once giving a max 360 days over a 5 year period

[JayClay]

1 hour ago, blorg said:

It's a multi-entry visa. A multi-entry visa is multi-entry, with no additional fees, for the duration of the visa, that is how they work. The price is stated, 10,000B. Other examples would be the METV, Elite, or the non-immigrant "O-X" retirement visa, these are all multi-entry and work the same way, multiple entries for the life of the visa.

 

To be fair there did used to be limited multi-entry (double and triple) tourist visas available. But they were replaced by the METV.

 

Currently, as far as I'm aware, there are no multi entry visas available with restrictions on the number of entries.

 

Of course, nothing is impossible in this country. But usually Immigration manage to find new and surprising ways to make a visa less useful than originally hoped - the METV, for example ended up having the restriction that you can only apply for it in your home country.

 

I'd be highly disappointed if Immigration just pull out an existing restriction (entry count) to make this visa less useful, rather than coming up with a brand new kind of stupid.

[BritManToo]

54 minutes ago, baansgr said:

It's 10, 000 plus 10,000 extension only once giving a max 360 days over a 5 year period

Can't think of any extension that wasn't priced at 1,900bht.

Seems a standardised charge to me.

 

Not sure the government have thought it through though .........

If you don't have a long term VISA, you can't open a Thai bank account, so how would applicants get 500kbht in a Thai bank account?

You'd already need a long term VISA to get the DTV, and you'd need 500kbht in a Thai bank to apply, and you could probably only apply from your home country ......... everyone would be running in circles to try and fulfil the application conditions!

Edited June 1 by BritManToo

[JayClay]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Can't think of any extension that wasn't priced at 1,900bht.

Seems a standardised charge to me.

 

Not sure the government have thought it through though .........

If you don't have a long tern VISA, you can't open a Thai bank account, so how would applicants get 500kbht in a Thai bank account?

You'd already need a long term VISA to get the DTV, and you'd need 500kbht in a Thai bank to apply, and you could probably only apply from your home country ......... everyone would be running in circles to try and fulfil the application conditions!

 

Where does it say that you need to hold any money in a Thai bank account?

 

All I saw in the announcement was that you need to be able to be able to prove that you have 500,000bt. No mention of where that 500k needs to be.

Edited June 1 by JayClay

[Mike Teavee]

DTV site has been updated to say the Visa is expected to be available from later this month or Early July

The new DTV visa is expected to take effect in late June or early July 2024 as part of their short-term measures

 

https://dtv.in.th/en#availability

 

[Phillip9]

20 minutes ago, Mike Teavee said:

DTV site has been updated to say the Visa is expected to be available from later this month or Early July

The new DTV visa is expected to take effect in late June or early July 2024 as part of their short-term measures

 

That's not an official site-- just a random site publishing information that may or maynot be correct.

[Caldera]

1 hour ago, JayClay said:

To be fair there did used to be limited multi-entry (double and triple) tourist visas available.

 

But those double and triple entry tourist visas were never called "multi-entry" visas by anyone in authority, so I really don't see how anyone would assume that this newly announced multi-entry DTV will be anything but a real multi-entry visa (unlimited entries during its validity period).

[Pattaya57]

2 minutes ago, Caldera said:

 

But those double and triple entry tourist visas were never called "multi-entry" visas by anyone in authority, so I really don't see how anyone would assume that this newly announced multi-entry DTV will be anything but a real multi-entry visa (unlimited entries during its validity period).

Well yeah, but that could be just unlimited entries up to it's 180 days entry stamp date (and during the optional one-time 180 day extension)

[jacob29]

26 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

Well yeah, but that could be just unlimited entries up to it's 180 days entry stamp date (and during the optional one-time 180 day extension)

Why call it a 5 year visa if it's 180 days max? You have visa durations, and the enter by date. 5 year visa doesn't mean use within 5 years to get 180 days (or at least that wouldn't be consistent with other visa types).

Edited June 1 by jacob29

[Caldera]

2 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

Well yeah, but that could be just unlimited entries up to it's 180 days entry stamp date (and during the optional one-time 180 day extension)

 

You can claim whatever you want at this point, considering the absence of confirmed facts.

 

But there's no Thai visa that currently works like that, so in my opinion, you're in fantasy land with that assumption. 

[Pattaya57]

1 minute ago, Caldera said:

 

You can claim whatever you want at this point, considering the absence of confirmed facts.

 

But there's no Thai visa that currently works like that, so in my opinion, you're in fantasy land with that assumption. 

Sorry I got caught up speculating rubbish like so many other people in this thread.

 

My actual belief is that the DTV allows 180 days per calender year for the 5 years validity of visa. It also allows one in country extension of 180 days in that 5 year validity period. 

 

This is the only thing that makes sense to me with a 5 year validity

[Liquorice]

1 hour ago, Pattaya57 said:

Sorry I got caught up speculating rubbish like so many other people in this thread.

 

My actual belief is that the DTV allows 180 days per calender year for the 5 years validity of visa. It also allows one in country extension of 180 days in that 5 year validity period. 

 

This is the only thing that makes sense to me with a 5 year validity

Agreed +1

[aublumberg]

On 5/30/2024 at 4:39 PM, Liquorice said:

That info graph is supposedly from the MFA, but buggered if I can find it.

Here you are https://image.mfa.go.th/mfa/0/rdX909e54m/อัลบั้มภาพ/New_Measures_as_of_29_May_2024_-_1955.pdf

[Lorry]

On 5/30/2024 at 7:40 PM, Antti said:

It is probably similar to multi-entry Schengen visa in EU. The days stop counting when you exit EU and then it restarts from the same number of days when you come back. So if I'm correct, with this new visa you get 180 days (or 360 days if you extend) that can be used during a period of 5 years.

Smart observation. 

Schengen visa also have a rule where you can stay up to 180 days in any given 1-year- period (NOT in any given calendar year)

[Lorry]

On 5/30/2024 at 11:25 PM, Sigmund said:

What about the tax ? If they give something now, it's obviously also a way to get it back in tax ? or not ? sure if you stay less then 180 days etc etc etc...but then would that imply having to file more paperwork and hassle and need to show again that one did not stay more then 180 days  ?

 

Retiree home owners who are the good spenders here,  are getting fed up with all the red tape, tax threats and paperwork asked by immigration and the bureaucracy, assorted with all the rules that change or are daily made up depending on the mood of the officer in his booth on arrival at Airport or behind the glass counter in some seedy office.

 

And also will those lovely boys at immigration maintain asking for absurd mentions on health insurance to cover a specific amount, despite the fact that all europeans have compulsory health insurance valid abroad ?

 

 

Posters who think a diginom will be tax-free are dreaming. 

The dream may come true.

 

But, as of now, if you stay in Thailand less than 180 days (in a calendar year) you are not a tax resident,  and thus have to pay income tax "only" on your "Thailand sourced" income.

It does not matter,  whether this Thailand sourced income has been paid into a Thai bank account or a foreign bank account.  It also doesn't matter if this income comes from abroad or not. It also doesn't matter whether all your customers are abroad. 

It does matter that you work in Thailand,  and that is what a digital nomad does. Until now,  he may be flying under the radar and evading Thai taxes.  As a holder of a DTV (which explicitly says he is "working in Thailand") he is not under the radar any more.

 

Please read the tax threads. 

[Maestro]

18 hours ago, humbug said:

Exactly, it states everywhere, 180 days within a 5 year period and one more extension of 180 days...

 

I don't see it this way, considering the list of qualifying groups of foreigners.

[Maestro]

18 hours ago, humbug said:

Where does it say unlimited 180 days multi-entry...

 

With all currently available types of multi-entry visas, multi-entry means an unlimited number of entries during the validity period of the visa. I firmly believe it will be the same with this new multi-entry visa.

[shdmn]

I think a lot of people are under the mistaken impression that they can use this new 5 year visa as a tourist visa.  The way it's worded it doesn't sound like you can, so you will probably have to prove that you earn some minimum amount of income remotely or are doing one of the other occupations they listed.

Edited June 1 by shdmn

[Maestro]

14 hours ago, baansgr said:

It's 10, 000 plus 10,000 extension only once giving a max 360 days over a 5 year period

 

There has been nothing in the information published so far to suggest that the DTV will be valid for only 1 entry and that the extension fee will be 10,000 Baht.

[shdmn]

8 minutes ago, Maestro said:

 

There has been nothing in the information published so far to suggest that the DTV will be valid for only 1 entry and that the extension fee will be 10,000 Baht.

So you think it's only a one time 10k fee for the entire 5 years?  Not including extensions and whatever unknown fees are associated with that.

Edited June 1 by shdmn

[Maestro]

13 hours ago, Pattaya57 said:

Well yeah, but that could be just unlimited entries up to it's 180 days entry stamp date (and during the optional one-time 180 day extension)

 

Absolutely not. We are talking about a multi-entry visa, not a multi-entry re-entry permit.

[Maestro]

13 minutes ago, shdmn said:

So only one time 10k fee for the entire 5 years, not including some unknown amount for extensions?

 

10,009 Baht for the visa and 1,900 Baht for every extension the visa holder choses to get (maximum one extension per entry). This is how I understand it .

[Maestro]

20 minutes ago, shdmn said:

So you think it's only a one time 10k fee for the entire 5 years?  Not including extensions and whatever unknown fees are associated with that.

 

Every visa fee is a one-time fee for the particular visa being applied for. The visa fee never includes the cost of an extension of stay.

[Liquorice]

7 hours ago, Maestro said:

 

With all currently available types of multi-entry visas, multi-entry means an unlimited number of entries during the validity period of the visa. I firmly believe it will be the same with this new multi-entry visa.

Whilst I agree that being ME it will allow unlimited entries during the 5 year validity of the visa, I believe the difference will be in the period of stay which will be limited to 180 days per year. 6 x 30 day entries, or 3 x 60 day entries for example.

[HauptmannUK]

I await the details with great interest because so far this DTV seems a bit too good to be true and potentially wide open to abuse.

For a long time I used 1-year ME Non-O 'Thai Family' 90-day entry visa. IIRC that cost about ฿6k and I had to show ฿400k equivalent (London).  It was withdrawn (again) about a year ago - only SE available now. In comparison this DTV would be an absolute bargain. Also the range of permitted activities is quite large and it would be dead easy to fake some income from an overseas entity.  I think the devil will be in the detail.......

[racket]

In essence, it's a visa valid for 5 years, allowing stays of up to 6 months or 180 days at a time. After the initial 180 days, individuals typically do a border run to obtain another stamp, granting them an additional 180 days. Is that correct?

 

Can someone apply in Thailand or must it be done outside jurisdiction?