Trump found guilty of 34 counts of falsifying business records

[TroubleandGrumpy]

10 hours ago, atpeace said:

He is correct about the witch hunt and you are correct that he is a criminal.  Many righteous fools on this thread would do similar things to cover up an affair if they had the means to do so. We all make big mistakes but Trump does seem not to care about consequences.  He just found out he isn't bullet proof.

 

Amazed the idiot was ever elected but this conviction and the amount of money spent on the case weren't warranted.    He should have simply paid the hush money from his personal account ( most of it was) and labeled the transactions with Stormy as non-disclosure payments and his payments to Cohen labeled as reimbursement payments.  He foolishly didn't and prosecutors have taken a misdemeanor and through a legal maze created a felony.

 

As for all the other past cases and future legal transgressions, this latest conviction diminishes their relevance IMO.  Hope he isn't our next President but also hope an election is the reason.

 

 

 

In the past the GOP always played it much 'fairer' and when in power they did their job - manage the country for all the US people. That aint gonna happen anymore after what has happened to Trump and his Supporters - partisan weaponisation of the Justice and Parliamentary system. If you do not think that the reason they called the 'pitch invasion' by unarmed people an 'Insurrection', then you are extremely politically naïve. They have done that and charged all those unarmed walk-ins and jailed many innocent people, for one reason only - to stop Trump being POTUS again if/when they can get him convicted of starting the so called 'Insurrection'.  These minor charges of book keeping errors and omissions will not stop him running, but if he had been convicted of starting the 'Insurrection' then he would not be allowed to run for POTUS. Yes the Dems are that bad - they will destroy the lives of right wing US people who were just stupid/silly, in order to stop Trump.

 

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off topic diversion and trolling comments removed

[herfiehandbag]

9 hours ago, candide said:

And as usual, you will accept the appeal verdict only if it's in favor of Trump. 

How many times have we read that " you will see" from you, and you never accepted the outcome. You will see the Kraken and other B.S., you will see the IG investigation, you will see the Durham investigation. You never accept the outcome when you don't like the outcome! 😀

 

Actually, things are looking quite tricky for team Trump - maybe it would be a good time to unleash the Kracken?

 

Or have I rather lost track of things?

[Eric Loh]

16 minutes ago, 5davidhen1 said:

I have no interest in US politics but.... it is impossible to not see bits of it when it gets plastered all over the news.

What I will say is this:

If I had been found guilty of a crime and was aware that on the 11th July the judge would be handing down my sentence, based partly on my demeanour. e.g. Have I been showing any remorse for my crimes?

The last thing I would be doing is claiming that the trial was rigged, and calling the judge corrupt!!!

The man is deranged.

 

A judge can order a lighter sentence 

if the offender demonstrates regret, remorse, or compassion. As usual with Trump’s impulsive demeanour, he is again self destructing. Proportionality of the crime is also important. This is just not a simple case of wrongful ledger entry but election interference. I believe Judge Merchan will have to hand a heavy sentencing to deter and set a precedent for the future. If not prison due to his age? sentence him for community service like picking up garbage. Yes the man is derange and unfit for Presidency. 
 

 

 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

5 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

Leaving aside your somewhat all encompassing and frantic allegations of "fixing", since the crime was committed in metropolitan New York, surely then the trial should take place in metropolitan New

 York?

I'll take that one. All I have to do is to ask some questions.

Do you realise that the allegations occurred while Trump was POTUS.

Do you not see that this is about Trump being POTUS (again)?

Do you really think Trump does his own tax returns?

Do you really think this is normal? To criminally charge someone with book keeping errors and force them to attend every day or be jailed?

Do you really think - I will answer that one for you - NO. 

[EVENKEEL]

10 hours ago, Tug said:

I’ve noticed the strongest (supporters) of Mr trump aren’t American and can’t vote ... and some seem to have an agenda anyway thanks for exposing that particular one to the bright light they don’t seem to like it much lol 😆 

We're all god's children on an international forum. 

[LosLobo]

14 minutes ago, simple1 said:

Don't know if it's been mentioned, but trump has received more than $53 million in denotations in the 24 hours since his conviction. trump has asked for these monies, mostly from his base, even though he is a multi-billionaire. Additionally he held a fund raising dinner with the wealthy after his conviction, no doubt attended due to his promises to enact changes saving the wealthy business owners multiples of their denotations. IMO denotations from the wealthy are just another form of corruption.

 

trump appears to have his followers in a vice like grip who come across as absolutely deluded, as to the threat trump represents to the detriment of a Democratic Republic.

You mean this?

 'Trump told a group of oil executives and lobbyists gathered at a dinner at his Mar-a-Lago resort last month that they should donate $1 billion to his presidential campaign because, if elected, he would roll back environmental rules that he said hampered their industry'.

At a Dinner, Trump Assailed Climate Rules and Asked $1 Billion From Big Oil - The New York Times (archive.md)

[paddypower]

12 hours ago, candide said:

Didn't Trump compare himself to Nelson Mandela? 😀

Also to Mother Theresa, God,  his talent and brain are biggly  

[HappyExpat57]

32 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

The loudest opponents of the GOP are non US citizens. Isn't free speech grand.

 

There seems to be many non US citizen cult supporters as well.

[frank83628]

15 hours ago, Walker88 said:

Dem owned?

 

Can I see the copy of the sales receipt, maybe the deed?

 

LOL...trumpers!

it was in reply to this

 

Edited June 1 by frank83628

[paddypower]

8 hours ago, peterrabbit said:

So, its official, the US is now the Banana Republic of the World. 

 

Meanwhile China will invade Taiwan, Putin will nuke Ukraine, Iran will declare a fatwa to unite all Muslims against all "infidels" to totally eradicate Jews and Christians. 

 

The US stock market and Dollar will become worthless as the new commodity based Brick replaces all FIAT currencies due to the obviously unpayable debts.

 

Any Country which previously aligned with the US, seeing the betrayal of its US allies will look to join the new "World Order".

 

Meanwhile the idiots, who are destroying the Constitution, will become totally irrelevant and forgotten by the rest of the world.

 

Good bye the dream of freedom and of self determination by the people.

 

Freedom is dead because opposing US politicians are incapable of working together in a frame work for the common good.

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Thank you for showing us the light at the end of the tunnel - an express train, filed with the hatred of one American for another. Interestingly enough, it doesn't worry Trump, as he does not care about  MAGA (making America great again.  He only cares about Trump.

: i.e. ''Meanwhile the idiots, who are destroying the Constitution, will become totally irrelevant and forgotten by the rest of the world. Good bye the dream of freedom and of self determination by the people.

Freedom is dead because opposing US politicians are incapable of working together in a frame work for the common good.

 

[frank83628]

14 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Felons cannot travel to many countries, including the UK.

you can travel to the UK with a criminal record. 

 

[paddypower]

8 hours ago, frank83628 said:

it was in reply to this

 

 

rephrasing it so that you understand my post:    '' of course Trump will be be found innocent at the Supreme Court (which he owns, remember???)

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trolling comment removed

[HappyExpat57]

4 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

you can travel to the UK with a criminal record. 

 

I wouldn't bet on that:

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-dont-allow-felons

[Walker88]

Here's something I can't quite grasp...

 

Under the Administration of the now-convicted felon, Michael Cohen was judged guilty by a jury of his peers and sent to prison---for the same crime that this newly minted felon was just convicted of, also by a "JURY OF HIS PEERS".

 

It was perfectly okay under the R White House and the Repub-appointed Attorney General...so much so that the guy who handed out pardons like Halloween Candy (Manafort, Bannon, etc.) chose NOT to pardon his former 'fixer'...but when the actual leader in the crime was similarly convicted, it's somehow the worst day in human history, the "end of our Republic" (Tucker & Hannity), "Communist, like China and North Korea" (Ingraham) and "will be remembered like the day JFK was assassinated" (Jr).

[TroubleandGrumpy]

35 minutes ago, paddypower said:

YES. YES YES

 

So you said YES to "Do you not see that this is about Trump being POTUS (again)?"

 

I guess that sums up most Dems supporters - happy to use the legal system to stop a political opponent.

In History, that is done by Dictators (Sth Africa, Myanmar etc.) and Communists (China, Russia etc.).

[EVENKEEL]

28 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

 

There seems to be many non US citizen cult supporters as well.

Then you have some who are too scared to mention their home country. Heck of a cult if 70+ million are members.

[paddypower]

5 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Here's something I can't quite grasp...

 

Under the Administration of the now-convicted felon, Michael Cohen was judged guilty by a jury of his peers and sent to prison---for the same crime that this newly minted felon was just convicted of, also by a "JURY OF HIS PEERS".

 

It was perfectly okay under the R White House and the Repub-appointed Attorney General...so much so that the guy who handed out pardons like Halloween Candy (Manafort, Bannon, etc.) chose NOT to pardon his former 'fixer'...but when the actual leader in the crime was similarly convicted, it's somehow the worst day in human history, the "end of our Republic" (Tucker & Hannity), "Communist, like China and North Korea" (Ingraham) and "will be remembered like the day JFK was assassinated" (Jr).

well said, an informed opinion is like a breath of fresh air on this chat group. what i find interesting is that many if not all of the Trump/MAGA believers on this chat group are Americans who have abandoned their country - so that they can live cheaply here in Thailand, with a Thai wife/servant; rather than a wife who is a fellow American (from the country of their birth). I do NOT pre-judge normal, liberal and conservative minded democracy-loving Americans (= some of my best friends).

[Walker88]

8 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Then you have some who are too scared to mention their home country. Heck of a cult if 70+ million are members.

Lots of "heck of a cult" things out there. Size does not equate to veracity.

 

There are around 2.5 billion Christians, maybe 2 billion Moslems, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists.....obviously they cannot all be right (in fact, all CAN be wrong), so size of a cult just shows how susceptible or needy some are to believe they have some sort of messiah or path to salvation.

[frank83628]

30 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I wouldn't bet on that:

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-dont-allow-felons

i would.

Trump doesn't need a visa to enter.

 

 

[LosLobo]

4 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Here's something I can't quite grasp...

 

Under the Administration of the now-convicted felon, Michael Cohen was judged guilty by a jury of his peers and sent to prison---for the same crime that this newly minted felon was just convicted of, also by a "JURY OF HIS PEERS".

 

It was perfectly okay under the R White House and the Repub-appointed Attorney General...so much so that the guy who handed out pardons like Halloween Candy (Manafort, Bannon, etc.) chose NOT to pardon his former 'fixer'...but when the actual leader in the crime was similarly convicted, it's somehow the worst day in human history, the "end of our Republic" (Tucker & Hannity), "Communist, like China and North Korea" (Ingraham) and "will be remembered like the day JFK was assassinated" (Jr).

Similarly, something also I cannot grasp:

The world knew who Individual One was in the Cohen Case.

Trump and Barr sacked NY Attorney General Jeffery Berman who was investigating Trump's involvement in the case.

Trump knew of his jeopardy back then.

With all the best investigators and lawyers all the money his supporters could pay, I suggest Trump knew full well of all of his pending criminal cases long before his 2024 POTUS candidacy was announced.

To suggest that this case was election interference is correct but only on Trump's part.

 

[gravity101]

9 hours ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

 

In the past the GOP always played it much 'fairer' and when in power they did their job - manage the country for all the US people. That aint gonna happen anymore after what has happened to Trump and his Supporters - partisan weaponisation of the Justice and Parliamentary system. If you do not think that the reason they called the 'pitch invasion' by unarmed people an 'Insurrection', then you are extremely politically naïve. They have done that and charged all those unarmed walk-ins and jailed many innocent people, for one reason only - to stop Trump being POTUS again if/when they can get him convicted of starting the so called 'Insurrection'.  These minor charges of book keeping errors and omissions will not stop him running, but if he had been convicted of starting the 'Insurrection' then he would not be allowed to run for POTUS. Yes the Dems are that bad - they will destroy the lives of right wing US people who were just stupid/silly, in order to stop Trump.

 

 

Please stop with this rubbish. This thinking is the exact reason the USA is so fractured. This all started with Trump, pure and simple. He has single handedly manifested the rift in both politics and political society in the US. His campaign for 2016 was an absolute disgrace, absolutely no decoram or boundaries, attack attack attack, call names, degrade and munfacture or amplify issues that he knew would cause division. And please, book keeping error and so called insurrection? Who you kidding.

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Lots of "heck of a cult" things out there. Size does not equate to veracity.

 

There are around 2.5 billion Christians, maybe 2 billion Moslems, 1.2 billion Hindus, 500 million Buddhists.....obviously they cannot all be right (in fact, all CAN be wrong), so size of a cult just shows how susceptible or needy some are to believe they have some sort of messiah or path to salvation.

So, if a person doesn't want biden in office for 4 more years, they belong to a cult.  Yes or no? But, thank you for not writing a manifesto.

[HappyExpat57]

1 minute ago, gravity101 said:

Please stop with this rubbish. This thinking is the exact reason the USA is so fractured. This all started with Trump, pure and simple. He has single handedly manifested the rift in both politics and political society in the US. His campaign for 2016 was an absolute disgrace, absolutely no decoram or boundaries, attack attack attack, call names, degrade and munfacture or amplify issues that he knew would cause division. And please, book keeping error and so called insurrection? Who you kidding.

No. This actually started with Reagan. He intentionally failed to renew "The Fairness Doctrine" which held ACTUAL news groups accountable for what they printed. THEN Clinton removed the laws that stopped monopolies in the news media. As a result, you basically have 6 groups that control over 90% of "news" broadcast around the world.

 

This is why we have become so divided, though I must insist those who do NOT pour the Fox Not News garbage into their minds are glad to debate facts, where Fox Not News viewers are close-minded and can only parrot the ridiculous talking points they are ordered to repeat.

[HappyExpat57]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So, if a person doesn't want biden in office for 4 more years, they belong to a cult.  Yes or no? But, thank you for not writing a manifesto.

Not at all and you know it. I can't STAND Biden. He ran on a promise to be a one-term president, then hubris took over.

 

I just can't stand the thought of having a convicted felon and adjudicated sex offender representing the US.

[earlinclaifornia]

3 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

No. This actually started with Reagan. He intentionally failed to renew "The Fairness Doctrine" which held ACTUAL news groups accountable for what they printed. THEN Clinton removed the laws that stopped monopolies in the news media. As a result, you basically have 6 groups that control over 90% of "news" broadcast around the world.

 

This is why we have become so divided, though I must insist those who do NOT pour the Fox Not News garbage into their minds are glad to debate facts, where Fox Not News viewers are close-minded and can only parrot the ridiculous talking points they are ordered to repeat.

QANON and Newsmax also

[earlinclaifornia]

1 minute ago, HappyExpat57 said:

Not at all and you know it. I can't STAND Biden. He ran on a promise to be a one-term president, then hubris took over.

 

I just can't stand the thought of having a convicted felon and adjudicated sex offender representing the US.

The same holds true for Independents.

https://news.yahoo.com/speechless-swing-state-voters-react-091142285.html

[Danderman123]

54 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

you can travel to the UK with a criminal record. 

 

Donald Trump’s felony conviction now means he’s banned from a host of countries including Canada and UK

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Polls today show Biden back in the lead. Just need to nudge the swing a little bit.

Early polls don't have a lot of predictive value. They mainly measure name recognition.

[Gecko123]

Wouldn't place much significance on the overnight contribution surge Trump's campaign reported. A knee-jerk temper tantrum from the MAGA hard core faithful who know in their hearts that they are now more likely to lose in November.

 

Trump's narrative that "the system was rigged", "the judge is conflicted" and "the trial was unfair" because "we couldn't get a change of venue", "they wouldn't allow us to present evidence", blah, blah, blah is not going to resonate with mainstream America, moderate Republicans, and most notably suburban housewives (who are already sick to their back teeth of Trump over abortion rights, the sexual assault verdict, the marital infidelity, the chaos, and his lying and lack of character).

 

Voting for a one time convicted felon (who in all likelihood would have multiple felony convictions if Eileen Cannon and the Supreme Court weren't so politically corrupted) is going to be a bridge too far for the majority of American voters, and I expect that to become more and more apparent as we move closer to November.

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[TroubleandGrumpy]

12 minutes ago, gravity101 said:

Please stop with this rubbish. This thinking is the exact reason the USA is so fractured. This all started with Trump, pure and simple. He has single handedly manifested the rift in both politics and political society in the US. His campaign for 2016 was an absolute disgrace, absolutely no decoram or boundaries, attack attack attack, call names, degrade and munfacture or amplify issues that he knew would cause division. And please, book keeping error and so called insurrection? Who you kidding.

Wrong - your views are liberal fantasies. The Dems state that Trump started the divide, but it started with Bill Clinton and his impeachment. Trump tapped into what was already there and had been there for a long time. Trump did what Dems had been doing for decades (although I will grant he did it very undiplomatically) and that is tapping into discontent and frustration (especially blacks and other minorities). Trump stated 'being a good boy' time was over for the GOP, and that it is time to fight fire with fire.  A majority of Americans agreed with him - and IMO a majority still do.