President Kamala Harris

[Yellowtail]

Fortunately, Ukraine had been stockpiling weapons since Trump got in office and started providing them. 

 

Too bad Obama refused to provide Ukraine weapons, apparently because Putin had given Obama the "space" he needed until after the election. 

 

Then of course Biden came in can cancelled Trump's sanctions and stopped/paused arms deliveries to Ukraine to curry favor with Putin. 

 

But orange man bad, I got it 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

People, again the topic here is:

 

Oh, she'll win, no doubt. 

[Irish star]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

People, again the topic here is:

 

I believe it’s on sale on Beach Road  , heading there Now 555

[Irish star]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Fortunately, Ukraine had been stockpiling weapons since Trump got in office and started providing them. 

 

Too bad Obama refused to provide Ukraine weapons, apparently because Putin had given Obama the "space" he needed until after the election. 

 

Then of course Biden came in can cancelled Trump's sanctions and stopped/paused arms deliveries to Ukraine to curry favor with Putin. 

 

But orange man bad, I got it 

Did grandma tell you that bedtime story 

[Irish star]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Fortunately, Ukraine had been stockpiling weapons since Trump got in office and started providing them. 

 

Too bad Obama refused to provide Ukraine weapons, apparently because Putin had given Obama the "space" he needed until after the election. 

 

Then of course Biden came in can cancelled Trump's sanctions and stopped/paused arms deliveries to Ukraine to curry favor with Putin. 

 

But orange man bad, I got it 

Putin would forbid his lil bitch from stockpiles, your joking right , he didn’t stockpile it in Ukraine ffs 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Irish star said:

Putin would forbid his lil bitch from stockpiles, your joking right , he didn’t stockpile it in Ukraine ffs 

Zelinsky is Putin's bitch now? How many bitches does he have? What about Kamala, who's bitch is she? Or yeah, Willie's, but don't tell Dougie...

[Fat is a type of crazy]

57 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The Afghans are all shivering in their boots as well. 

 

Remember, Biden wanted to fly Zelinsky out and surrender. How soon they forget. 

 

52 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Common knowledge

Zelensky defiant: Ukrainian president refuses US offer to evacuate, saying ‘I need ammunition, not a ride’ | CNN 

Nothing in the article about surrendering. It's about considering keeping the leader safe at a particular time due to information he was targeted. 

Edited August 26 by Fat is a type of crazy

[Irish star]

5 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

 

Nothing in the article about surrendering. It's about considering keeping the leader safe at a particular time due to information he was targeted. 

They misconstrue every fact to fit their agenda 

[maesariang]

When is Harris going to do something?

 

 

[MicroB]

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Zelensky defiant: Ukrainian president refuses US offer to evacuate, saying ‘I need ammunition, not a ride’ | CNN 

 

Can you point out the bit in that piece where Biden requested the Ukrainian President to surrender?

 

I suspect your mother tongue is not English, and you have an incomplete understanding of the word "surrender". In this context you are stating that Biden requested Zelensky to surrender. That would require Zelensky to sit down with representatives of the Russian government and negotiate terms. Typically this is done when a wartime leader is escorted into captured territory, and at a venue at the victor's choosing. Surrender does not occur via Zoom or Teams. In WW2, when Germany attacked, it was generally not the governments surrendering, but representatives of the government negotiating a laying down of arms. The Governments in Exile is proof that surrender is not an end in itself.

 

Neither of us has a full transcript of the conversation between President Biden and President Zelensky. Many sources cite the Ukrainian Emabassy in London, with a tweet posted on 26th February, but the quote itself comes from an alleged US Intelligence source who was quoted on the 25th February

 

AP circulated a story on the 25th February. AP cited a source who had direct knowledge of the conversation or who had listened to the transcript, describing Zelensky as "upbeat". The Washington Post did some digging, with Administration sources denying such a call occurred. Their investigations indicated that the call occurred, but it did not include Biden.

 

Zelensky's English is good, but not that good The use of American English colloquialisms ("I need a ride") suggests someone has paraphrased a conversation between Zelensky (or an aide) and (likely) secret squirrel State Department/CIA official.

 

But even taking the the quote as verbatum

 

Quote

The fight is here; I need ammunition, not a ride

 

The offer was just to evacuate Kyiv, not Ukraine. Much of Ukraine at that stage was relatively peaceful and quite safe.  There is no evidence that Biden instructed this. There might have even been a SOP created to make the same offer, to whatever Ukrainian President there was, based on processes developed from the Minsk Agreements.  This was not a Saigon or Kabul moment. No surrender. Zelensky felt it was important to lead from the front, rather than relocate to somewhere live Lviv. In extremis, it might have been an offer to lead a Ukrainian government in exile. The US assessment was that Russia did not have sufficient forces to occupy and pacify a country of 40 million people, but might have had enough to occupy Kyiv, Donbass, Luhansk, Crimea-Odessa and possibly Kharkiv. The expectation would have been a puppet government would be appointed, followed by attempts at international recognition.

 

Your statement that "Be that as it may, Biden wanted to fly Zelinsky out and surrender" is mostly untrue, and I suspect you know its untrue.

 

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[Yellowtail]

12 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

Can you point out the bit in that piece where Biden requested the Ukrainian President to surrender?

 

I suspect your mother tongue is not English, and you have an incomplete understanding of the word "surrender". In this context you are stating that Biden requested Zelensky to surrender. That would require Zelensky to sit down with representatives of the Russian government and negotiate terms. Typically this is done when a wartime leader is escorted into captured territory, and at a venue at the victor's choosing. Surrender does not occur via Zoom or Teams. In WW2, when Germany attacked, it was generally not the governments surrendering, but representatives of the government negotiating a laying down of arms. The Governments in Exile is proof that surrender is not an end in itself.

 

Neither of us has a full transcript of the conversation between President Biden and President Zelensky. Many sources cite the Ukrainian Emabassy in London, with a tweet posted on 26th February, but the quote itself comes from an alleged US Intelligence source who was quoted on the 25th February

 

AP circulated a story on the 25th February. AP cited a source who had direct knowledge of the conversation or who had listened to the transcript, describing Zelensky as "upbeat". The Washington Post did some digging, with Administration sources denying such a call occurred. Their investigations indicated that the call occurred, but it did not include Biden.

 

Zelensky's English is good, but not that good The use of American English colloquialisms ("I need a ride") suggests someone has paraphrased a conversation between Zelensky (or an aide) and (likely) secret squirrel State Department/CIA official.

 

But even taking the the quote as verbatum

 

 

The offer was just to evacuate Kyiv, not Ukraine. Much of Ukraine at that stage was relatively peaceful and quite safe.  There is no evidence that Biden instructed this. There might have even been a SOP created to make the same offer, to whatever Ukrainian President there was, based on processes developed from the Minsk Agreements.  This was not a Saigon or Kabul moment. No surrender. Zelensky felt it was important to lead from the front, rather than relocate to somewhere live Lviv. In extremis, it might have been an offer to lead a Ukrainian government in exile. The US assessment was that Russia did not have sufficient forces to occupy and pacify a country of 40 million people, but might have had enough to occupy Kyiv, Donbass, Luhansk, Crimea-Odessa and possibly Kharkiv. The expectation would have been a puppet government would be appointed, followed by attempts at international recognition.

 

Your statement that "Be that as it may, Biden wanted to fly Zelinsky out and surrender" is mostly untrue, and I suspect you know its untrue.

 

I meant Biden wanted to fly Zelinsky out and Biden surrendered Afghanistan. 

[Captain Flack]

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[Dan747]

[Irish star]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

I meant Biden wanted to fly Zelinsky out and Biden surrendered Afghanistan. 

Surrendered after 20 years maybe 1500 deaths lol , Biden did what Donald Wanted and the public , Any Allies are offered same Evacuation Plan it’s probably a Democrat Policy , couldn’t be Republican policy they don’t card about anyone but enriching themselves, Taliban was invited to Camp David ffs , Trump wanted out and Biden did it , one suicide bomber changed the evacuation, probably set up by Putin or Trump 

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[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Dan747 said:

Racist meme 

You must be proud.

[EVENKEEL]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Racist meme 

You must be proud.

Jees, some people see racism in their sleep.

[Jingthing]

10 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Jees, some people see racism in their sleep.

Some people don't see racism when it's waved in their face.

 

Harris depicted as a roach.

Nazi level dehumanizition.

Skin tone greatly darkened.

Are you flippin' blind dude?

 

[maesariang]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Some people don't see racism when it's waved in their face.

 

Harris depicted as a roach.

Nazi level dehumanizition.

Skin tone greatly darkened.

Are you flippin' blind dude?

 

Dung beetle

 

Racism lol

 

After calling Trump orange this and Hitler that

Edited August 26 by maesariang

[maesariang]

19 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Jees, some people see racism in their sleep.

Amazing after all the name calling. 

[Jingthing]

Also note Trump himself reposted that racist meme on his absurd propaganda truth scam site.

Not a mention of that in mainstream media.

Just Trump being Trump 

Stop normalizing him!

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Some people don't see racism when it's waved in their face.

 

Harris depicted as a roach.

Nazi level dehumanizition.

Skin tone greatly darkened.

Are you flippin' blind dude?

 

Making Trump orange is funny but put a shade on Harris is racist. Oh the hypocrisy.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

I meant Biden wanted to fly Zelinsky out and Biden surrendered Afghanistan. 

Biden may have offered Zelensky a ride, but there is no evidence that Biden wanted Ukraine to surrender. That part is in your head.

 

At the time, there was talk that Kyiv would fall, but Ukraine would maintain a guerilla war against Russia, not surrender.

[luckymitchell]

7 hours ago, Irish star said:

Magats are Not Republicans, They re a  Disgrace to the Party , they will disband after Nov 5 , I think Trump should run till 2032 and beyond he’s got to be a Paid Democrat to run his elections to the ground, Vance was Pure sabotage to Magats 

Are you on the spectrum for learning disabilities ?

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, luckymitchell said:

Are you on the spectrum for learning disabilities ?

You won't be worrying about that after Trump loses in November.

 

In fact, that's the big question, what are you MAGA types going to do when Trump is gone? Real conservative Republicans will engage in the political process to oppose policies of new administration, but MAGA types don't have a real political policy, instead, choosing to live under a cult of personality. 

[Cameroni]

23 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

You won't be worrying about that after Trump loses in November.

 

In fact, that's the big question, what are you MAGA types going to do when Trump is gone? Real conservative Republicans will engage in the political process to oppose policies of new administration, but MAGA types don't have a real political policy, instead, choosing to live under a cult of personality. 

 

What if Trump wins again, like he did against the other shrill woman?  What will you Harrisworld dwellers do then? Cry bitter tears and and curse the unfair world?

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Making Trump orange is funny but put a shade on Harris is racist. Oh the hypocrisy.

What race is orange?

[chickenslegs]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

What race is orange?

Oompa loompa

 

Edited August 26 by chickenslegs

[Dan747]

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