Popular Post Social Media Posted August 18, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 18, 2024 Two men have received the longest prison sentences to date in connection with the riots that erupted across parts of England and Northern Ireland following the Southport stabbings. The violence, which has been described as "racist, hate-fueled mob violence," involved a series of attacks, looting, and destruction that left communities in fear and resulted in significant damage to property. David Wilkinson, aged 48, was sentenced to six years in prison, and John Honey, aged 25, received a sentence of four years and eight months. Both men were part of what has been described as a "baying mob" that attacked a car containing three Romanian men in Hull on August 3. The mob surrounded the vehicle and launched a vicious assault, attempting to drag the men out of the car. Honey was seen pulling open the passenger door as one of the men tried desperately to close it, while Wilkinson was caught on camera damaging the car’s windscreen. The attack left the vehicle with £1,500 worth of damage. Hull Crown Court was told that the three men inside the car, fearing for their lives, eventually exited the vehicle with their hands raised before fleeing to a nearby hotel. The scenes on August 3 were described by Judge John Thackray KC as "12 hours of racist, hate-fueled mob violence." He stated that both Wilkinson and Honey had intended to create a high risk of injury, adding that watching footage of the riots had been "depressing" and "horrifying." In addition to the attack on the Romanian men, Wilkinson was involved in an attack on a garage where nine cars were damaged. He attempted to set fire to a bin placed on top of a pile of tires that were already burning, sending thick black smoke through the shutters of the workshop where people had sought refuge. Wilkinson pleaded guilty to violent disorder, racially or religiously aggravated criminal damage, and attempted arson. Honey also participated in the attack on the garage and was involved in looting shops, including the cosmetic store Lush, an O2 store, and Shoezone. He pleaded guilty to violent disorder, racially aggravated criminal damage, and three charges of burglary. His behavior during the unrest was described as "appalling, shameless, and violent" by Michael Quinn, the deputy chief crown prosecutor of CPS Yorkshire and Humberside. The unrest and violence that followed the Southport stabbings led to more than 1,000 arrests across England and Northern Ireland. So far, approximately 480 people have been charged, and at least 99 sentences have been handed down as cases continue to be processed in court. In other parts of the country, more rioters were sentenced on Friday. Roger Haywood, aged 41, was jailed for two and a half years for his role as a "leader and instigator" of rioting in Blackpool. Haywood pleaded guilty to violent disorder and two counts of assaulting an emergency worker. He was accused of hurling abuse at police officers and attacking a security guard at the Hounds Hill shopping center after attempting to break through the shutters of a closed store. Judge Robert Altham, who sentenced Haywood, noted that his drunkenness on the day was an "aggravating feature." Haywood was later seen visibly too intoxicated to operate a loudhailer to address the crowds. In Sunderland, Paul Williams, aged 45, was sentenced to two years and two months in prison after pleading guilty to one count of violent disorder. The court heard that Williams had entered the city center to collect a takeaway but ended up at the forefront of what was described as an "orgy of mindless destruction, violence, and disorder." Despite his defense lawyer’s claim that Williams had no political opinions around immigration and was "entirely unaware of the basis of what started this," Newcastle Crown Court heard that he threw metal fencing and a can of beer at police officers, stripped off his shirt, and charged at the line of riot shields. Meanwhile, Stevie Mulryne, aged 29, was sentenced to 16 months, and Charles Smith, aged 22, received a 23-week sentence for their involvement in disorder near Downing Street on July 31. Westminster Magistrates Court heard that Mulryne made a stabbing gesture towards police officers and led offensive chanting, while Smith "struck up a fighting stance" and chanted "scum" at officers. As the legal repercussions of the riots continue to unfold, the first adult charged with the serious offense of riot, which carries a maximum penalty of 10 years in prison, appeared in court. Kieran Usher, aged 32, did not enter a plea at South Tyneside Magistrates' Court after being charged in connection with disorder in Sunderland city center on August 2. Additionally, a 15-year-old boy became the first person in England to be charged with riot for his involvement in the Sunderland unrest. In Darlington, Ashkan Kareem, aged 33, was sentenced to 12 months in prison for his participation in a clash on August 5. Kareem claimed that he was trying to protect a mosque from being attacked by "racists." However, the presiding judge stated that Kareem was part of a group that gathered in opposition to men "chanting racist and far-right slogans," and it was "abundantly clear that would result in violence and it did." Further sentences for violent disorder were handed down in various cities across England, including Bristol, Sheffield, Sunderland, Blackpool, Liverpool, and Plymouth. The sentences reflect the severity of the crimes committed during the riots, as the courts continue to address the widespread unrest and the damage it caused to communities. Credit: BBC 2024-08-19 Get our Daily Newsletter - Click HERE to subscribe Cigna offers a variety of health insurance plans designed to meet the minimum requirement for medical treatment coverage, with benefits reaching up to THB 3 million. These plans are tailored to provide comprehensive healthcare solutions for expatriates, ensuring peace of mind and access to quality medical services. To explore the full range of Cigna's expat health insurance options and find a plan that suits your needs, click here for more information. 1 2 2 1
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted August 18, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 18, 2024 I am sure of course that once these judges have finished dealing with the rioters ( and accumulated a sufficiency of brownie points with their former boss to in time move up the judicial ladder ) they will be able to turn their keen legal attention to the pair from Manchester Airport - currently languishing on bail without any charges, or the gang who threatened the TV reporter at that Birmingham roundabout, or even the gang who beat up the lone man outside the pub. I hold my breath in anticipation of the foolish suggestions of a two tier police and judicial system being proved wrong! 4 2 6 2 6
Popular Post JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 1 hour ago, herfiehandbag said: I am sure of course that once these judges have finished dealing with the rioters ( and accumulated a sufficiency of brownie points with their former boss to in time move up the judicial ladder ) they will be able to turn their keen legal attention to the pair from Manchester Airport - currently languishing on bail without any charges, or the gang who threatened the TV reporter at that Birmingham roundabout, or even the gang who beat up the lone man outside the pub. I hold my breath in anticipation of the foolish suggestions of a two tier police and judicial system being proved wrong! No chance of the cultural enrichers being brought to justice. It doesn't fit the left's narrative. If you commit similar offenses with a short haircut and heaven forbid, an England shirt or flag you will feel the full weight of the law however. Two tier Britain. Thank god I left. 3 1 3 2 3 4 1 1
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 Two posts in and nothing but grievance stroking. I for one think it’s fabulous news that racist rioters are getting locked up for their crimes. More please. 2 8 2 2 1 9
Popular Post MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Two posts in and nothing but grievance stroking. I for one think it’s fabulous news that racist rioters are getting locked up for their crimes. More please. Agreed. Its a shame that it was only realised after the first round of court appearances that some of the racist a-holes could be charged with rioting which carries a 10 year maximum jail term rather than the violent disorder which carries a maximum of 5 years. I was in Thailand when the rioting began and didn't see the UK news until a few days in. I had my TV on mute and wasn't paying much attention but thinking 'I wonder where that is' - then I noticed a bus go past and was shocked to realise that it was my home country. Shocked and ashamed! Yes, the UK has an immigration problem, as does much of Europe but there is no excuse for rioting, violence and looting - what will that solve? They are criminals and I'm pleased to see that on the whole they are being given appropriate jail terms - especially now that some are being charged with riot. One exception so far though, and I think they got this very wrong - one woman was charged with incitement for posting on social media that a mosque should be bombed with the congregation in it. That, in my opinion, is just a stupid comment, its not incitement, she didn't actually incite anyone. I believe she was sentenced to 15 months in jail for that and I would expect it to be successfully challenged at appeal. Sentence the real culprits properly by all means but her sentence creates serious concerns regarding freedom of speech for me. Watching it on TV - it was quite clear that the majority of the brain dead rioters were the usual 'football hooligan' types - often associated with a certain Mr. Robinson. The far right racists have been waiting for an excuse to carry out such 'protests' and used misinformation (as usual) to incite their hooligan members to carry out the violence and looting. I'd like to know how burning police cars and attacking public property solves any immigration problem? Anyway, they are now reaping the rewards - I hope more are charged with riot. They need to learn that their behaviour is simply not acceptable to the vast majority of a civilised country and now they have plenty of time to contemplate the results of their actions. 5 5 1 1 1
Popular Post MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: No chance of the cultural enrichers being brought to justice. It doesn't fit the left's narrative. If you commit similar offenses with a short haircut and heaven forbid, an England shirt or flag you will feel the full weight of the law however. Two tier Britain. Thank god I left. Thankfully your views are very much in the minority - as was evidence by the counter protests - carried out, you might note with no damage to public property or any violence. You should perhaps read up on the 'misinformation' that was spread in order to spark the riots - and who spread that information. There was not a shred of truth in what was used as an excuse. British people have carried out horrific murders in the past - have you ever seen riots and violence cause by that? 'Thank god' I will also be leaving the UK shortly and one reason for that is because of the rise of these uneducated far right lunatics. Yes, I'm going to a country who's government has little sympathy for people who have been genuinely displaced etc. but its not my country so I needn't be ashamed. 3 1 2 1 3
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 54 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Two posts in and nothing but grievance stroking. I for one think it’s fabulous news that racist rioters are getting locked up for their crimes. More please. If you are so delighted, then presumably you are as concerned as others that such obvious criminality is not being dealt with across the board; or do you actually think that it is fabulous news that people whose political opinions you dislike are being jailed? 3 1 3 1
Popular Post simon43 Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 Applying 'Thai logic', the attempted violence against the 3 Romanians would not have occurred if they hadn't been in the UK...... 3 3 2
Popular Post JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 11 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: Thankfully your views are very much in the minority - as was evidence by the counter protests - carried out, you might note with no damage to public property or any violence. Maybe check out the BLM riots. Plenty of violence there .Police took a knee. 11 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: You should perhaps read up on the 'misinformation' that was spread in order to spark the riots - and who spread that information. There was not a shred of truth in what was used as an excuse. The authorities tried to hide the fact it was a son of Rwandan immigrants. They tried to be clever by hiding it and it backfired spectacularly. 11 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: British people have carried out horrific murders in the past - have you ever seen riots and violence cause by that? The killer of the 3 children in Stockport was British. Other examples are of riots following murders by British people are the death of Mark Duggan. Check it out... 11 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: 'Thank god' I will also be leaving the UK shortly and one reason for that is because of the rise of these uneducated far right lunatics. Yes, I'm going to a country who's government has little sympathy for people who have been genuinely displaced etc. but its not my country so I needn't be ashamed. Yes, your ilk always overlook government atrocities when it suits them. I'm guessing it's very cheap to live where you are going? 1 3 2 1 2
thaipo7 Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 5 hours ago, herfiehandbag said: I am sure of course that once these judges have finished dealing with the rioters ( and accumulated a sufficiency of brownie points with their former boss to in time move up the judicial ladder ) they will be able to turn their keen legal attention to the pair from Manchester Airport - currently languishing on bail without any charges, or the gang who threatened the TV reporter at that Birmingham roundabout, or even the gang who beat up the lone man outside the pub. I hold my breath in anticipation of the foolish suggestions of a two tier police and judicial system being proved wrong! Two tier huh? Copying the US? 1 1
Popular Post Foxx Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 "Racist Mob Violence" - surely that should be "Patriot Mob Violence". The British people were never asked whether they wanted their communities to be degraded by vast numbers of people from less civilised countries. 3 2 2 1 3 1 3
Popular Post MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: The authorities tried to hide the fact it was a son of Rwandan immigrants. They tried to be clever by hiding it and it backfired spectacularly. They most certainly did not. The BBC reported the facts at the earliest opportunity. But, what if they did. for that matter? What difference would it make? Why should people riot simply because a killer is not British? I'll tell you why - they are nothing more than racist meatheads. 5 3 1 2
Popular Post MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 19 minutes ago, Foxx said: "Racist Mob Violence" - surely that should be "Patriot Mob Violence". The British people were never asked whether they wanted their communities to be degraded by vast numbers of people from less civilised countries. Communities degraded? Have you any idea what would happen to the NHS if there wasn't any immigrants. But such thoughts are wasted on you aren't they? The very fact that your small mind can only think that migrants 'degrade' a community shows the level of your intelligence. And you are living where? Thailand? I suppose you think your presence 'upgrades' your Thai community? Have you any idea what the make up of so called 'Brtish Ethnicity' actually is? How far back can you trace your roots? How many generations does it take before someone can call themselves British? Yes, the UK has immigration problems and I do not support unlimited immigration but if you seek out the truth, you will find the message spread by these racist a hole groups is in fact almost total rubbish. 4 1 2 1 2
Popular Post Will B Good Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 I'm wondering how looting smartphones from a high street outlet helps in the fight against illegal immigration? Anyone? 5 2 1
Will B Good Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 6 hours ago, herfiehandbag said: I am sure of course that once these judges have finished dealing with the rioters ( and accumulated a sufficiency of brownie points with their former boss to in time move up the judicial ladder ) they will be able to turn their keen legal attention to the pair from Manchester Airport - currently languishing on bail without any charges, or the gang who threatened the TV reporter at that Birmingham roundabout, or even the gang who beat up the lone man outside the pub. I hold my breath in anticipation of the foolish suggestions of a two tier police and judicial system being proved wrong! I don't suppose it has crossed your mind that 'England's brightest' all pleaded guilty......could that lead to faster processing? 2
Popular Post MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: The killer of the 3 children in Stockport was British. He was not British in the eyes of the rioters - and you know that very well. You've shot yourself in the foot with your attempt at cleverness. 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: Other examples are of riots following murders by British people are the death of Mark Duggan. Check it out.. The killing of Mark Duggan was a totally different situation and the riots that ensued were actually the result of the perceived treatment of black people by the police in the UK. The riots were also almost totally confined to Tottenham. I didn't see any black people beating up whites during those riots. There is no comparison between the two situations - the only common factor is the riot - the reasons are totally different, 2 1 1
Popular Post JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 12 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: They most certainly did not. The BBC reported the facts at the earliest opportunity. But, what if they did. for that matter? What difference would it make? Why should people riot simply because a killer is not British? They did withhold the details as they often do when the killer is not white British. The reason being that there have been a lot of high profile crimes by immigrants (first/second generation) and they were concerned that releasing the information would go against their false narrative that all immigrants are hard working doctors/nurses who culturally enrich us and the UK could not possibly survive without them gracing us with their presence. Just as Sky News cut the feed when the Muslims appeared in the background threatening the reporter and slashing the tyres of their vehicle. Doesn't fit the narrative. Of course people shouldn't riot. Just as BLM shouldn't riot or the Free Palestine mob shouldn't riot. But when local hard working people see the 2 tier justice system in play, priority given to immigrants over indigenous people who have paid into the system their whole lives it can cause resentment. 12 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: I'll tell you why - they are nothing more than racist meatheads. Absolute nonsense and just a throwaway comment that proves that you have no coherent argument. Being angry about young children being slaughtered is a perfectly reasonable response. Just as supporting much lower levels of immigration until the resources and services (housing/NHS/Schools etc.) are in place to support them is in place is reasonable. The only reason people like you throw around the words racist and far right/meathead etc. is because you do not have a logical reason for huge numbers of often illegal immigrants when the country already has high unemployment, a lack of housing and a massive backlog for NHS treatment. More people adds to that problem, irrespective of their race. Also, when we are importing groups who hate homosexuals, are misogynistic, intolerant of other religions and often antisemitic it can also lead to cultural problems and hate crimes within the UK. Importing people with those values does not lead to harmony. 2 1 2 3 1
Popular Post JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 17 minutes ago, Will B Good said: I'm wondering how looting smartphones from a high street outlet helps in the fight against illegal immigration? Anyone? Exactly the same way that the looting/violence during the BLM riots helped race relations I'd imagine. 1 4 1 1 1 2
Popular Post MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: Yes, your ilk always overlook government atrocities when it suits them. I'm guessing it's very cheap to live where you are going? And my 'ilk' is what? I have no idea what the cost of living in Thailand has to do with this conversation. Where is the 'goverment attrocity'? Do you mean the police response to the violence and looting and the ensuing punishments? That's an attrocity? Should we let these thugs destroy public property that we have paid for out of our taxes? Let them riot freely? There would almost certainly have been lynchings. A close friend of mine, a 68 year old Jamaican woman who spent 30 years of her life working in British hospitals was jostled in the street and told to 'f off home' in the supermarket during the riot period - she was terrified! That woman has probably done more for the UK than many of us - and unlike some lazy British benefit claimants, she's probably paid more tax. My friend has a total right to live out her retirement in peace - free from fear. Those who abused her are just lucky that I wasn't there. 1 1 3
herfiehandbag Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 15 minutes ago, Will B Good said: I don't suppose it has crossed your mind that 'England's brightest' all pleaded guilty......could that lead to faster processing? None of the three examples I have referenced have yet to get anywhere near to courts, let alone pleading. 3 1
JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 12 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: He was not British in the eyes of the rioters - and you know that very well. You've shot yourself in the foot with your attempt at cleverness. It was you that insinuated that he wasn't by implying there would have been no riots if the perp was British. Well, he WAS British so I simply corrected you. I didn't need to be clever to do so. My nieces fiance is black British. Lovely bloke. I don't know why you feel that someone who is black cannot be British. Seems a bit racist to me. I'd love to see you tell him he isn't British by the way, he's a semi pro Rugby player and would probably correct you very quickly. 3 1 2
Popular Post Scouse123 Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 2 hours ago, herfiehandbag said: If you are so delighted, then presumably you are as concerned as others that such obvious criminality is not being dealt with across the board; or do you actually think that it is fabulous news that people whose political opinions you dislike are being jailed? That's exactly what he is pleased about. Anyone not Far Left and a big fan of Islam , the religion of peace, face his ire on AN. 2 3 1 1
Popular Post transam Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Two posts in and nothing but grievance stroking. I for one think it’s fabulous news that racist rioters are getting locked up for their crimes. More please. I hope that one of your lot gets the same and more, you want them here, remember that.....🤔 https://uk.yahoo.com/news/migrant-pushed-man-onto-tube-110520384.html 2 3
BritManToo Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 5 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Seems a bit racist to me. I'd love to see you tell him he isn't British by the way, he's a semi pro Rugby player and would probably correct you very quickly. So even though you like him, you think he's prone to violence! 2
Popular Post JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 5 minutes ago, MangoKorat said: And my 'ilk' is what? The type of person who overlooks the use of Burmese slave labour, rampant prostitution, poverty, huge wealth gaps, incredibly low wages, lack of social care, lack of democracy, rampant nationalism, military coups etc. in a country simply because it happens to be cheap as chips to live there. There was a thread on hear about the mental gymnastics western liberals have to do to justify living in certain Asian countries. You should read it. Now, back to pontificating about your virtue. 2 2 2 1
JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 Just now, BritManToo said: So even though you like him, you think he's prone to violence! It's possible to correct people without the use of violence. Why would you assume that because he is black he is prone to violence? 2 4
Popular Post youreavinalaff Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: The authorities tried to hide the fact it was a son of Rwandan immigrants. They tried to be clever by hiding it and it backfired spectacularly. No they didn't. It was well known from the beginning he was of Rwandan heritage and born in Cardiff. The misinformation as that he was a Muslim asylum seeker. 3 1
Popular Post JonnyF Posted August 19, 2024 Popular Post Posted August 19, 2024 3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said: No they didn't. It was well known from the beginning he was of Rwandan heritage and born in Cardiff. The misinformation as that he was a Muslim asylum seeker. No they didn't. Originally they simply stated he was a teenager from Cardiff. They later released the information about his heritage. 4 2
MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 2 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Absolute nonsense and just a throwaway comment that proves that you have no coherent argument. Being angry about young children being slaughtered is a perfectly reasonable response. Just as supporting much lower levels of immigration until the resources and services (housing/NHS/Schools etc.) are in place to support them is in place is reasonable. What? Be angry by all means but please explain what rioting achieved? As someone else mentioned - how does looting a smartphone help the fight against illegal immigration? This was not anger or a support for lower immigration levels - it was pure mindless, racist violence. Nothing 'throwaway' about my comments - I saw the people on TV and I've read some of their comments since. I have no argument with your basis of having the infrastructure in place to support migration - in fact you probaly have no idea just how wrong you are on what I do and do not support - I'll give you a little idea. I actually support only very limited immigration and only immigration that can be supported - at the moment the UK is 'full'. I believe that asylum seekers/refugees should have to prove their situation beyond doubt. I am confused as to just how and when the temporary protection of vulnerable refugees became 'resettlement'. I do not consider that Mulsim/Jewish religions/cultures are not compatible with the UK way of life and that the country should never have made concessions to those groups (prayer time/halal etc). So you might now understand that I'm not the lefty loony you probably thought I was. 1 1
MangoKorat Posted August 19, 2024 Posted August 19, 2024 17 minutes ago, JonnyF said: My nieces fiance is black British. Lovely bloke. I don't know why you feel that someone who is black cannot be British. I don't think that at all - and I think you know that very well. Should you wish to debate on an honest basis without trying to 'point score' - I'm happy to do so, 1 1
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