Trump and Rogan

[transam]

Just now, frank83628 said:

thats lack of fibre not Ivermectin!

Lack of fibre does not give you the trots, it's the other way round............🤕

 

Anyhoooo, I have no doubt you would to take horse medication.....🐎....😋

[frank83628]

7 minutes ago, transam said:

Lack of fibre does not give you the trots, it's the other way round............🤕

 

Anyhoooo, I have no doubt you would to take horse medication.....🐎....😋

just to save argument, it can be either. 

 

i didnt take anything for covid, i live by the beach, surrounded in fresh air, same as all my friends and their friends, nobody has had covid to this day....but that scary killer virus is lurking just round the corner !

[transam]

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

just to save argument, it can be either. 

 

i didnt take anything for covid, i live by the beach, surrounded in fresh air, same as all my friends and their friends, nobody has had covid to this day....but that scary killer virus is lurking just round the corner !

Weren't you lucky........

Oh, you live that sort of life and support Putin, wow................

 

I pictured you in a log cabin, outside chopping wood to make a fire to boil water for a cuppa, wiv a fur hat on......👨‍🌾................😉

[Talon]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

This is the basic problem for her. She can't stay "in character" for more than about 15 or 20 minutes at a time. A long form conversation would be impossible.  Trump, for his faults, is a WYSIWYG guy. He is comfortable in his own skin. So he could sit and chat for 3 hours on everything from whale suicide to immigration.  Also puts paid to the Democratic talking point that he doesn't have the energy or mental alertness to be President. 

 

Yes, Kamala is a FAKE. Her public political stance is FAKE. She is UNauthentic.  That's why everything needs to be scripted for her to continue the FAKE charade. If she had to have a public conversation for 3 hours, she would not only melt down, but everything about her would be revealed.

 

 

[tomazbodner]

3 minutes ago, Talon said:

 

Yes, Kamala is a FAKE. Her public political stance is FAKE. She is UNauthentic.  That's why everything needs to be scripted for her to continue the FAKE charade. If she had to have a public conversation for 3 hours, she would not only melt down, but everything about her would be revealed.

 

 

So what are you saying? That Trump is a GENUINE idiot?

[Hanaguma]

7 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

So what are you saying? That Trump is a GENUINE idiot?

Genuine for sure. He is the same a55hole whenever and wherever he is talking.  This long form conversation really brings that out in all its glory and all its pain.  But authentic.  Without programming, Harris simply falls back on platitudes and nonsense.  Maybe the only issue she can speak about with genuine passion and authenticity is abortion. 

[Talon]

17 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Maybe the only issue she can speak about with genuine passion and authenticity is abortion. 

 

With all of her extracurricular activity, she might have even experienced it.

[BangkokReady]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

5 hours ago, Captain Monday said:

Prescribed ? I didn't know meat-head suffered fromParasitic Roundworms. 

You don't need hundreds of millions to get some Quack to write you a prescription  for something of label. 

 

Ivermectin is completely innefective against Covid-19

Just popular right-wing reaction. A virtual  meme where the usual suspects politicize medicine.
 

If you think Ivermectin is good against Covid frank83628 has been put firmly   

in the Newsmax, OAN, Gateway Pundit, Telegram  "clown box".

 

A place for sad suckers who would be better informed if they read no news at all.

 

 

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do you actually seriously think it's for animals only?. actually don't answer, zero tolerance for covid BS from people like you.

 

He knows perfectly well that it is effective against covid.

 

I already quoted a medical journal in a previous reply to him:

 

"A 5-day course of ivermectin resulted in an earlier clearance of the virus compared to placebo (p = 0.005), thus indicating that early intervention with this agent may limit viral replication within the host. In the 5-day ivermectin group, there was a significant drop in CRP and LDH by day 7, which are indicators of disease severity. It is noteworthy that the viral nucleic acid Ct value (indicator of viral load) dropped significantly compared to the placebo group on day 7 and day 14."

 

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

 

So, medical research shows that it is effective against covid, and he has seen this medical research.  He simply wants to lie about it.

[Talon]

Vaxx Believers criticize HCQ and Ivermectin, but ignore all of the harmful effects that have occurred with the vaxx.

Cognitive Dissonance is still going around.

[Captain Monday]

33 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

He knows perfectly well that it is effective against covid.

 

I already quoted a medical journal in a previous reply to him:

 

"A 5-day course of ivermectin resulted in an earlier clearance of the virus compared to placebo (p = 0.005), thus indicating that early intervention with this agent may limit viral replication within the host. In the 5-day ivermectin group, there was a significant drop in CRP and LDH by day 7, which are indicators of disease severity. It is noteworthy that the viral nucleic acid Ct value (indicator of viral load) dropped significantly compared to the placebo group on day 7 and day 14."

 

https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)32506-6/fulltext

 

So, medical research shows that it is effective against covid, and he has seen this medical research.  He simply wants to lie about it.

At a Higher Dose and Longer Duration, Ivermectin Still Not Effective Against COVID-19 - Journal of the American Medical Association 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801828

 

Ivermectin shown ineffective in treating COVID-19, according to multi-site study 

 

https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/jama-ivermectin-study.html

 

 

“Prescribing nonefficacious treatments is not a neutral or harmless option. In addition to denying patients the appropriate treatment, such prescribing can lead to side effects without any therapeutic benefit and to drug shortages for patients who need the medications for other conditions”-

—New England Journal of Medicine

 

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2209017

 

New study shows ivermectin lacks meaningful benefits in COVID-19 treatment

 

New research led by the University of Oxford has concluded that the antiparasitic drug ivermectin does not provide clinically meaningful benefits for treating COVID-19 in a largely vaccinated population.

 

https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study-shows-ivermectin-lacks-meaningful-benefits-in-covid-19-treatment

Edited October 29 by Captain Monday

[BangkokReady]

47 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2801828

 

Cannot see the actual research.

 

47 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

https://www.kumc.edu/about/news/news-archive/jama-ivermectin-study.html

 

Says this:

 

"The median time to recovery was 12 days (IQR, 11-13) in the ivermectin group and 13 days (IQR, 12-14) in the placebo group."  "For the ordinal outcome at day 14, the difference in the amount of time spent feeling unwell with COVID-19 was estimated to be 0.49 days (95% CrI, 0.15-0.82 days) in favor of ivermectin." "Although there are numerous published studies reporting on the potential efficacy of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19, many are in the inpatient setting and the majority are small, variable in population and dosing, and some have been retracted.^11-13"  https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2797483?resultClick=1

 

47 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2209017

 

Cannot see the actual research.

 

47 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

https://www.phc.ox.ac.uk/news/new-study-shows-ivermectin-lacks-meaningful-benefits-in-covid-19-treatment

 

Says this:

 

"In the SARS-CoV-2 positive primary analysis population, the observed median time to first recovery was 14 days in the ivermectin group compared to 15 in the usual care group (Fig. 2). In the concurrent randomisation analysis population, (excluding participants randomised to usual care before the ivermectin arm opened) the observed median time to first recovery was 14 in the ivermectin group and 16 in the usual care group. Based on the Bayesian primary analysis model which adjusts for temporal drift, there was evidence of a benefit in time-to-first-recovery in the ivermectin group versus usual care (hazard ratio 1·145, 95% Bayesian credible interval [1·066 to 1·231]."  https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0163445324000641

 

Unfortunately, with something like Ivermectin/Covid, you really need to look at the research yourself, rather than simply trusting the conclusions.  There appears to be some real bias around Ivermectin, which is a shame.

 

To sum up, @Captain Monday has failed to support his claim that Ivermectin is just for parasites and the evidence shows that it can clearly be used to treat covid (while there are differing opinions about how effective it is and in what circumstances).  Both of the two research papers that are accessible show that Ivermectin has some effects in the treatment of covid.

Edited October 29 by BangkokReady

[Talon]

Joe Rogan has revealed his sit-down with Kamala was scrapped due to the demands from her campaign.

 

Rogan is leaving his offer open, but only on his terms.

 

Kamala’s campaign offered on Tuesday, but wanted Rogan to travel to her for ONLY ONE HOUR.

I wonder if she will wear her bluetooth earrings?

 

Kamala is afraid.

[Captain Monday]

 

Misinformation, Trust, and Use of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19

 

“ Findings Among 13 438 adults in a 50-state US survey study who reported probable or definite COVID-19 infection, 6% reported use of either ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. Those who endorsed COVID-19 vaccine–related misinformation, had lower trust in hospitals and physicians and lower trust in scientists, and exhibited greater belief in conspiracy theories were more likely to report using one of these medicines.”

 

Conclusions and Relevance  In this survey study of US adults, endorsement of misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic, lack of trust in physicians or scientists, conspiracy-mindedness, and the nature of news sources were associated with receiving non–evidence-based treatment for COVID-19. These results suggest that the potential harms of misinformation may extend to the use of ineffective and potentially toxic treatments in addition to avoidance of health-promoting behaviors

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2809985

Edited October 29 by Captain Monday

[mogandave]

7 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

 

Misinformation, Trust, and Use of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19

 

“ Findings Among 13 438 adults in a 50-state US survey study who reported probable or definite COVID-19 infection, 6% reported use of either ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. Those who endorsed COVID-19 vaccine–related misinformation, had lower trust in hospitals and physicians and lower trust in scientists, and exhibited greater belief in conspiracy theories were more likely to report using one of these medicines.”

 

Conclusions and Relevance  In this survey study of US adults, endorsement of misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic, lack of trust in physicians or scientists, conspiracy-mindedness, and the nature of news sources were associated with receiving non–evidence-based treatment for COVID-19. These results suggest that the potential harms of misinformation may extend to the use of ineffective and potentially toxic treatments in addition to avoidance of health-promoting behaviors

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2809985

Survey study as opposed to a controlled study, conducted (apparently) on a health forum. 

[Captain Monday]

14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Survey study as opposed to a controlled study, conducted (apparently) on a health forum. 

The right-wing embrace of discredited alternate therapies is more of a psychological phenomena than anything else. 
 

If liberal Politicians and establishment Medical associations  told your reactionary  milieu to take Ivermectin the right-wing media cabal would demand, a vaccine.

 

Trump tries to claim credit for Covid vaccine - but admits he can't brag due to MAGA

 

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/trump-tries-to-claim-credit-for-covid-vaccine-but-admits-he-cant-brag-due-to-maga/ar-AA1r40k2?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1

Edited October 29 by Captain Monday

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, Captain Monday said:

The right-wing embrace of discredited alternate therapies is more of a psychological phenomena than anything else. 
 

If liberal Politicians and establishment Medical associations  told your milieu to take Ivermectin the right-wing media cabal would demand, a vaccine.

 

Trump tries to claim credit for Covid vaccine - but admits he can't brag due to MAGA

 

 

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/trump-tries-to-claim-credit-for-covid-vaccine-but-admits-he-cant-brag-due-to-maga/ar-AA1r40k2?apiversion=v2&noservercache=1&domshim=1&renderwebcomponents=1&wcseo=1&batchservertelemetry=1&noservertelemetry=1

I thought Biden said there was no vaccine before he took office? 

 

Is the right being anti vax why big phama is supporting Harris?

[BangkokReady]

24 minutes ago, Captain Monday said:

Misinformation, Trust, and Use of Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine for COVID-19

 

“ Findings Among 13 438 adults in a 50-state US survey study who reported probable or definite COVID-19 infection, 6% reported use of either ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. Those who endorsed COVID-19 vaccine–related misinformation, had lower trust in hospitals and physicians and lower trust in scientists, and exhibited greater belief in conspiracy theories were more likely to report using one of these medicines.”

 

Conclusions and Relevance  In this survey study of US adults, endorsement of misinformation about the COVID-19 pandemic, lack of trust in physicians or scientists, conspiracy-mindedness, and the nature of news sources were associated with receiving non–evidence-based treatment for COVID-19. These results suggest that the potential harms of misinformation may extend to the use of ineffective and potentially toxic treatments in addition to avoidance of health-promoting behaviors

 

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2809985

 

Your claim: Ivermectin is only for parasites not covid

 

The research evidence (some presented by you): It helps with covid

 

That's really all you need to know.

 

Talking about misinformation and trust is irrelevant to the claim you made.  (And quite ironic, given that you made claims that are untrue.)

[Captain Monday]

4 hours ago, BangkokReady said:

 

Your claim: Ivermectin is only for parasites not covid

 

The research evidence (some presented by you): It helps with covid

 

That's really all you need to know.

 

Talking about misinformation and trust is irrelevant to the claim you made.  (And quite ironic, given that you made claims that are untrue.)

 Because it helps because you “feel better” in 13 days versus 14 , one day early vs a Placebo or some nonsense about viruses in a Petri dish?   What a joke . Do you even read these studies?  I’d just stick with the abstracts if I were you.  Of mainstream major medical associations and University papers and research showing it is not effective against Covid-19. 
 

 Actually there is  plenty of research to show that such fantasies as yours concerning the meaningful benefit of ivermectin against Covid-19 infection and even positive thinking might really help with your health and recovery from illness.  Perfect, as the entirety of the MAGA world view consists of ”feeling” over reality. Such as the discredited idea that Trump is better for the US  economy.
 

Maybe I should take up a religion. Probably live longer 

 

Spirituality linked with better health outcomes, patient care

 

https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/spirituality-better-health-outcomes-patient-care/

 

Edited October 29 by Captain Monday

[Captain Monday]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

I thought Biden said there was no vaccine before he took office? 

What? perhaps you can provide a link.

 

Is the right being anti vax why big phama is supporting Harris?

 

Of course. Harris is a mainstream capitalist politician. The big money is behind (D) in 2024 as the adults in the room know that Trump 47 will be a disaster for the USA economy. How is YOUR 401k doing by the way? 

 

Edited October 29 by Captain Monday

[Yellowtail]

On 10/30/2024 at 12:45 AM, Captain Monday said:

 

Yeah, the billionaires all love Harris.