Fact-Checking Rogan and Musk

[OneMoreFarang]

Yes, it would be great if the media and politicians would only tell the truth.

 

I agree that not everything which is said about Trump is true. But enough is true. He still pretends he won the last election. He initiated Jan-6 and he didn't tell people to stop. He lies constantly about almost everything. He pretends Putin would not have started a war if Trump would have been president. Why? He doesn't tell us. 

He behaves constantly like an ahole calling people bad names and telling everybody how stupid his ex-advisors are who he hired not long ago and at that time he told everybody they are the best.

It is absolutely not necessary to make Trump worse than he is. He is already very bad.

The fact that much of the media and the DEMs try to make him worse than he is, is counterproductive. 

[pattayasan]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:19 AM, frank83628 said:

No they have not. They are classsed as confidential, unless a request is made.

 

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:13 AM, pattayasan said:

 

Because every president since the criminal Nixon has done so until the criminal trump. It's designed to bolster public confidence that they aren't compromised by some foreign power (cough) or corrupted. His recent returns are especially important to ensure he has not violated the Emoluments Clause. There's every reason to believe trump has done so.

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Sharing tax returns with the public was the modern norm until Donald Trump

 

https://www.investopedia.com/history-of-presidents-and-federal-income-tax-what-s-normal-5080237

[Yellowtail]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:24 AM, pattayasan said:

 

Sharing tax returns with the public was the modern norm until Donald Trump

 

https://www.investopedia.com/history-of-presidents-and-federal-income-tax-what-s-normal-5080237

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So? 

[transam]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:22 AM, Yellowtail said:

Oh, I thought you said: "Because every president since the criminal Nixon has done so until the criminal trump."

 

But now you've changed it to everyone running. How about a link to Cornell West's returns? 

 

Or John Kerry's 2004 return? 

 

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Still waiting for your links.......🥴

[pattayasan]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:25 AM, Yellowtail said:

So? 

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So you lied. Trump alone since Nixon refused to release his tax returns and you refuted this without evidence and have been proven wrong.

[bubblegum]

Trumpers only want the immigrant they like. The once's that vote for them or marry them.

Unfortunately for Trump nice people from "Norway" don't want to live in a third world country under a Trump dictatorship. Clever people these Norwegians, compared to this lot on AN. O, wait you don't actually live in the States 5555

[LosLobo]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:11 AM, Yellowtail said:

The IRS has all of Trump's returns, why should he make them public? 

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Maybe ask Frank.

[gamb00ler]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:16 AM, Yellowtail said:

Can you post a link to Obama's 2023 return? 

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Obama isn't president and will never be again.  There's no tradition for an ordinary citizen to publish his tax return.

Thanks for playing!

 

You're too anxious.

You really don't need to repeatedly prove the first portion of one of Lincoln's best quotes:

“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.”

― Abraham Lincoln

 

[Hamus Yaigh]

Musk is a smart guy. He knows how to spin a story his way when his own personal interests are at stake. We all heard what Trump said and Musk is spinning it.

[LosLobo]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:17 AM, frank83628 said:

So. The tax reruns were given,and what became of it all?

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What became of it, Frank? What do you think?

Maybe not; I’ve already seen your thoughts here.
 

Nevertheless, in closing, I hope you get through tomorrow okay; this may be of some comfort:

FOUR STAGES OF LOSS

1. Denial: Refusing to accept the reality of the loss.
2. Anger: Feeling frustration and helplessness, often directed toward others or oneself.
3. Bargaining: Trying to negotiate or make deals to reverse the loss or lessen the pain.
4. Acceptance: Coming to terms with the reality of the loss and finding a way to move forward.

[EVENKEEL]

  On 11/5/2024 at 9:19 AM, Yellowtail said:

Don't say liberal, liberals care about the truth, I'm a liberal.

 

They are hard leftists. 

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Old school liberal and new school liberal not same same.

[GammaGlobulin]

This Topic has already DISTORTED the actual meaning of what it is to be liberal.

 

Also, no point in fact-checking Rogan.

He does not know enough to be accurate about anything, in the first place.

 

When he makes mistakes, they are not intentional, but rather just due to his ignorance and stupidity.

 

He holds himself out to be an authority, a fount of knowledge.

Yet he is as shallow as the shallowest of pools.

 

Rogan's only strength is that he has somehow managed to gather around him a veritable army of dumb-A followers, who are even dumber than Xi's 50-cent army.

 

Rogan and his ignorance is dangerous, at least in some ways.

 

I never heard of this man of short stature until last week.

 

 

[frank83628]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:46 AM, LosLobo said:

What became of it, Frank? What do you think?

Maybe not; I’ve already seen your thoughts here.
 

Nevertheless, in closing, I hope you get through tomorrow okay; this may be of some comfort:

FOUR STAGES OF LOSS

1. Denial: Refusing to accept the reality of the loss.
2. Anger: Feeling frustration and helplessness, often directed toward others or oneself.
3. Bargaining: Trying to negotiate or make deals to reverse the loss or lessen the pain.
4. Acceptance: Coming to terms with the reality of the loss and finding a way to move forward.

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So what happens after the returns were given, 2015-20

[riclag]

  On 11/5/2024 at 10:45 AM, Yellowtail said:

No, I mean her parents were on the teat in academia, and she was on the teat when she got a job in the DA's office, and then with Willie Brown's help she got a few plum appointments on the teat and then again due to Willie's influence won a couple of elections. 

 

The only non-public trough job she's has was McDonald's and she apparently lied about that.

 

 

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Harris is a Obama protege! A 

Installed Social Justice Warrior . The only difference  between the Chicago community activist ,Obama vs the Blm supporter ,Harris is Obama threw the BS better with his debate skills!

[dinsdale]

  On 11/5/2024 at 10:47 AM, G_Money said:

Has this been approved by the polling and early voting expert?  If you’re not sure who that person is, let me know.

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Stupid comment. If you disagree how about posting what you think the number might/will be.

[frank83628]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:54 AM, GammaGlobulin said:

This Topic has already DISTORTED the actual meaning of what it is to be liberal.

 

Also, no point in fact-checking Rogan.

He does not know enough to be accurate about anything, in the first place.

 

When he makes mistakes, they are not intentional, but rather just due to his ignorance and stupidity.

 

He holds himself out to be an authority, a fount of knowledge.

Yet he is as shallow as the shallowest of pools.

 

Rogan's only strength is that he has somehow managed to gather around him a veritable army of dumb-A followers, who are even dumber than Xi's 50-cent army.

 

Rogan and his ignorance is dangerous, at least in some ways.

 

I never heard of this man of short stature until last week.

 

 

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A day ago you said you barely heard of him, now you're a Rogan expert,  your comments are on par with transmans, maybe its dementia.  

[pattayasan]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:22 AM, Yellowtail said:

Oh, I thought you said: "Because every president since the criminal Nixon has done so until the criminal trump."

 

But now you've changed it to everyone running. How about a link to Cornell West's returns? 

 

Or John Kerry's 2004 return?

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Did I change it somewhere? It was always about trump's tax returns. Ask me about Harris' tax returns. Every president merely indicated it was the norm which you falsely refuted.

[dinsdale]

Trump 287 Harris 251. Disagree then tell us what you think the numbers will be. Predictive/betting markets are rapidly widening the gap in Trump's favour. A laughing emoji attached isn't good enough. Come on you blue blinkered progressive woke voters. What are your EC numbers for a Harris victory? Put your money where your mouth is so to speak. Now's the time.

[G_Money]

  On 11/5/2024 at 10:35 AM, pattayasan said:

 

Harris!

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You’re easily swindled.  Proven over and over again.

[pattayasan]

  On 11/5/2024 at 12:22 PM, G_Money said:

 
You’re easily swindled.  Proven over and over again.

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It's almost as if Trump is a bastion of truth.

[LosLobo]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:55 AM, frank83628 said:

So what happens after the returns were given, 2015-20

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After the returns were taken, Frank, they fueled multiple investigations. Here’s a snapshot:

1. NY Criminal Case: Examining the Trump Organization’s financial practices for possible fraud.
2. NY Civil Suit: AG Letitia James is suing over inflated asset values for loans and insurance.
3. IRS Audits: Questions arose about why his audits didn’t catch these discrepancies.
4. January 6 Committee: Financial disclosures fed into inquiries about funding sources and conflicts.

In short, the returns helped prove your messiah a crook. Accountability has a way of catching up.

[frank83628]

So, the normally confidential returns were demanded politically then used politically by L James to file charges against trump that nobody else would have be charged with, gotcha.

 

 

[pattayasan]

  On 11/5/2024 at 12:43 PM, frank83628 said:

So, the normally confidential returns were demanded politically then used politically by L James to file charges against trump that nobody else would have be charged with, gotcha.

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Damn, the evidence of illegality was unfairly obtained. He's innocent.

[frank83628]

  On 11/5/2024 at 12:49 PM, pattayasan said:

 

Damn, the evidence of illegality was unfairly obtained. He's innocent.

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Politically motivated as I said but you can now stop bleeting about not having his tax returns, as you claimed 20 posts ago.

[pattayasan]

  On 11/5/2024 at 12:51 PM, frank83628 said:

Politically motivated as I said but you can now stop bleeting about not having his tax returns, as you claimed 20 posts ago.

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We still don't have the current tax returns. You're moaning about ancient history.

[LosLobo]

  On 11/5/2024 at 12:43 PM, frank83628 said:

So, the normally confidential returns were demanded politically then used politically by L James to file charges against trump that nobody else would have be charged with, gotcha.

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Not quite, Frank. For a president, tax returns aren’t exactly 'normally confidential'—transparency’s expected. The returns revealed potential fraud—plain and simple. Any business inflating assets for loans would face consequences. This isn’t a ‘gotcha’—it’s called the law, and even your messiah isn’t above it.

[GammaGlobulin]

  On 11/5/2024 at 12:00 PM, frank83628 said:

A day ago you said you barely heard of him, now you're a Rogan expert,  your comments are on par with transmans, maybe its dementia.  

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Not really dementia, in my case.

 

I am a very "fast-study".

 

Just listening to a few words from Rogan, and I am amazingly accurate at detecting someone who has a Giant Ego, Supreme Overconfidence, resulting in the spread of BS and inaccuracies around the world.

 

Similar to Alex Jones, and Deepak Chopra, and many more.

 

I would never do such a thing.

 

 

[frank83628]

  On 11/5/2024 at 12:54 PM, LosLobo said:

Not quite, Frank. For a president, tax returns aren’t exactly 'normally confidential'—transparency’s expected. The returns revealed potential fraud—plain and simple. Any business inflating assets for loans would face consequences. This isn’t a ‘gotcha’—it’s called the law, and even your messiah isn’t above it.

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Theyare classed as confidential unless special requests are filed, its in the link you originally told me to read.

The fraud for inflating a business Is politicially motivated, the banks were happy, there was no victim, Kevin O'Leary, said so himself, and that he would no longer do business in NYC, it caused lack of confidence in investing in NY , and worried the governor to to point she make a statement assuring other business owners ' not to worry, it wouldnt happen to them.

Ibwill be happy to see these 'Trumped' up charges dismissed soon after his win tomorrow 

[gamb00ler]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:42 AM, Hamus Yaigh said:

Musk is a smart guy. He knows how to spin a story his way when his own personal interests are at stake. We all heard what Trump said and Musk is spinning it.

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But.... even average people can figure out that Musk is making shït up.  How long has Full Self Driving mode on a Tesla been "just around the corner"?

[gamb00ler]

  On 11/5/2024 at 11:55 AM, frank83628 said:

So what happens after the returns were given, 2015-20

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Unfortunately, the only sources you trust won't provide anything useful on that topic.  Just go back to your usual news diet of anxiety and outrage.