UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[transam]

1 hour ago, Gottfrid said:

Like I have said many times now. I agree with that it´s wrong, discriminatory and unfair. However, knowing how it is, and moving to a country that are affected by such discrimination and also hide information is just plain stupid! Such things always comes back and bite hard.

I am one who didn't know my pension would be locked, I came to LOS 8 years before pension age, my accountant didn't tell me my pension would be locked either, I found out after creating a life for myself, here.

 

So, folk have different experiences, I, for one, never heard of locked pensions.

 

Me plain stupid, I don't think so............😉

 

I also don't think this thread is for you, condescending posts from a non-Brit is a bit much........🤔

[James9999]

4 hours ago, Superlight said:

When pensions were first introduced they commenced at age 65; at that time life expectancy was 45 to 50...

 

The French manage a lower retirement age than the UK. France has increased their retirement age and it is still less than the original UK retirement age.

[James9999]

How long can you stay out of the UK and still be considered resident and eligible for the annual increase? As a pensioner and not working and fancy travelling the World at what point would the annual increases stop?

[James9999]

6 hours ago, proton said:

 

How come they never found Lord Lucan then?

hahahahaha

[James9999]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They can see when you arrived back in the U.K and if you arrived back in the UK then you must have been abroad  , they can see all your bank statements and where the withdrawals have been or where money has been sent to and they know how many bank accounts you have got 

I am in the UK. But I send money to Thailand therefore I must be living in Thailand? How stupid is that.

[Denim]

8 hours ago, Moonlover said:

This bill was reintroduced after the general election and has now reached the 'committee stage' in the House of Lords. See also Wikipedia.

 

https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3430

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_Protection_and_Digital_Information_Bill

 

 

 

So still not set in stone and might meet the same fate as the first attempt.

[James9999]

5 hours ago, ericbj said:

Can you assure us - on authority - that the DWP will not make routine check-ups as to whether pensioners are regularly transferring funds to an overseas destination?

 

 

There must me millions of both illegal and legal immigrants sending money back home. Do why doesn't the Government use this tool to track down some of the illegal immigrants. Also tax the legal ones on their overseas bank accounts. My ex wife, UK based, sends money back to Thailand for Thais in the UK who don't have a UK bank account. Why is the UK Government more interested in checking pensioners overseas transactions?

[James9999]

5 hours ago, CallumWK said:

 

It may surprise you that they have competent computer software, which does all the work, while the government officials are laying on their lazy back.

I suppose than can manage to read the computer output while laying on their lazy backs?

[James9999]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How do you get your UK pension  money to Thailand ?

See my post about how my Thai ex wife sends money to Thailand for anybody for a commissiion.

[scottiejohn]

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

They can see when you arrived back in the U.K

Not if you return to the UK by going via The Republic of Ireland and then enter the UK via Northern Ireland!

Also if you book your outgoing flights with non connecting flights then only the the first destination of your outward flight will be recorded.

PS; splitting outward flight bookings from the UK for long haul flights can greatly reduce your flight taxes as does using which country you "appear" to be booking from!

 

PS2; Crossing the Irish border: what you need to know!

 

PS3;  You can also leave the UK in the reverse UK/NI/RONI way without being normally tracked!

[bigt3116]

1 hour ago, sambum said:

Correct - you should have put reciprocation in brackets too - oh sorry, just been on the "Grammar Police" website!

 

Why? I was not quoting anyone.

[James9999]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  I contacted the UK Government recently online  about tax issues and they asked me questions to confirm my identity .

   They asked me how many bank accounts I had , I got that question right , they asked me when I took a UK phone contract out , I got that question right  , they asked me when my Passport expires and I got that question right . 

   Asked a few more questions and confirmed that I was me 

   I hadn't given that information to anyone, yet the Government still knew the answers . 

"They asked me how many bank accounts I had" I am not sure how many I have. I tend to leave them open and don't close them.

"when I took a UK phone contract out " You seriously need to get a life. I think I could tell them which decade but not the year.

"when my Passport expires" mine is 2029 I think. No idea of the actual date without looking.

You will tell us next that you never have to complete those remind me of my password questions for some obscure web site that you last used two years ago. I couldn't remember mine for my energy supplier and only used it a few days before. You must me the memory man in the 39 Steps.

[James9999]

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Thank you, I stand corrected, although they probably said that knowing that they did not have a cat in hell's chance of getting in and therefore it meant nothing.   Don't see any mention of it now that they are in power and are in a position to implement it!

They were in power in 2010 in the coalition with the Conservatives. They were able to extract a few concessions the price for being in the coalition. Who is to say that there wont be another coalition.

[kwilco]

2 hours ago, Gottfrid said:

I am totally independent of any government. 

got to be one off the top 3 most ill-informed comments on th the thread.It is a problem that many expats are incapable of objectively analysing there position - in Thailand or anywhere else - so how can they make an intelligent comment on this topic?

[Liverpool Lou]

5 minutes ago, James9999 said:

4 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Thank you, I stand corrected, although they probably said that knowing that they did not have a cat in hell's chance of getting in and therefore it meant nothing.   Don't see any mention of it now that they are in power and are in a position to implement it!

They were in power in 2010 in the coalition with the Conservatives.

No, the lib Dems were not "in power", they were a minor part of the coalition, the Tories were in power.

[Liverpool Lou]

1 hour ago, Bobthegimp said:

 

Those buttery soft, yet firmly gripping hands on your hips are those of Herr Starmer. Pensioners are about to discover how well endowed and turgid the revenue service becomes at the prospect of deflowering geezers living abroad.  Don't pick up the soap in the shower. 

Gibberish and bogwash.

[Liverpool Lou]

3 hours ago, Keeps said:

I really can't see Rachel Reeves loosening the purse strings to justifiably and rightly correct this anomaly (in my opinion) taking into account all the cost slashing she is undertaking in other areas.

 

I think expats abroad who are currently treated unfairly (again - my opinion) will be at the very bottom of her agenda, particularly when it would entail an outflow of money, not an inflow.

 

I appreciate that it involves reciprocal arrangements with other countries but if you have paid your dues I really can't see why you shouldn't be remunerated fairly, regardless of where you reside. You would still be taxed based on various thresholds and dependent on your alternative income.

 

Surely, expats are a lesser financial burden to the UK state or am I missing something?

 

Labour will be a one term party but I can't see any changes on the horizon regardless of which party is in charge next. I really hope I am wrong even though this doesn't affect me currently at my age. 

Absolutely agree.

[James9999]

14 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, the lib Dems were not "in power", they were a minor part of the coalition, the Tories were in power.

The deputy Prime Minister was a lib dem. Other lib dems held positions in the cabinet. That counts as being in power

[hotandsticky]

3 minutes ago, James9999 said:

The deputy Prime Minister was a lib dem. Other lib dems held positions in the cabinet. That counts as being in power

 

😂😂😂

[Liverpool Lou]

8 minutes ago, James9999 said:

The deputy Prime Minister was a lib dem. Other lib dems held positions in the cabinet. That counts as being in power

Technically, yes, but the Tories held the power in reality.

[scottiejohn]

18 minutes ago, James9999 said:

The deputy Prime Minister was a lib dem. Other lib dems held positions in the cabinet. That counts as being in power

No! It counts as "Power Sharing" as a minority with the party they shared with!

[James9999]

2 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

No! It counts as "Power Sharing" as a minority with the party they shared with!

The lib dems can whinge and whine all they like. It because of them that we got 5 years of David Cameron

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I have no problems using DWP's payments into my Thai bank, even getting preferential exchange rate, which is something DWP states.......

Every 4 weeks on a Thursday.......😉

Preferential exchange rates? Really?

[James9999]

46 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, the lib Dems were not "in power", they were a minor part of the coalition, the Tories were in power.

They were "in power". They forced concessions, they had Ministers influencing daily life. How is that not wielding power?

[James9999]

"Every 4 weeks on a Thursday" You do know that you can get it every 2 weeks.

[Liverpool Lou]

7 minutes ago, James9999 said:

55 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

No, the lib Dems were not "in power", they were a minor part of the coalition, the Tories were in power.

They were "in power". They forced concessions, they had Ministers influencing daily life. How is that not wielding power?

They were only in power on Cameron's coattails. 

[Gottfrid]

1 hour ago, kwilco said:

got to be one off the top 3 most ill-informed comments on th the thread.It is a problem that many expats are incapable of objectively analysing there position - in Thailand or anywhere else - so how can they make an intelligent comment on this topic?

As the topic regards pension and financial situations, I was referring to that with my comment. As I deal with decentralized finance, you might understand that better. So, the only one that is ill-informed here, seems to be you.

[frank83628]

23 hours ago, transam said:

My friend was nabbed, but it was for PENSION, not OTHER benefits or disability claim..............🤭

Why do folk here keep getting confused over posted facts, why, because they read others twisted facts..................🤗

i knew you were a pensioner.75 is about right for you i reckon.

[Gottfrid]

2 hours ago, Kinok Farang said:

There are lots of reasons some guys end up skint at pension age.Usually women but bad investments,alcoholism,serious illness etc but that should never stop the same guys wanting happiness in their later life and a life watching your pennies in Thailand is much more preferable than living in the UK at present.

Ok, no problem! Be happy with that then, and stop complaining about everything from the weather and politics to your poor little pennies in Thailand. 🤣🤣🤣

[Gknrd]

18 hours ago, jori123 said:

 

 You might want hearing aids

Guess we will hear it first here if they start cutting off pensions for people living in Thailand.