Is Putin Truly Ready to Push the Nuclear Button? Washington calls Moscow's bluff

[pattayasan]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Whilst I sort of agree with you, ANY nuclear strike by Russia on any NATP country (should) be followed by a massive nuclear strike and make Russia uninhabitable for the majority of the population. 

 

I can see 2 big problems.

 

1   Putin is quite old and may come to the conclusion that he will die soon anyway, so why not take the nuclear option and many millions more people with him?

 

2   The other problem is that with Trump taking over in the USA, nobody has any idea (probably Trump also) what the US response will be.

 

The US will probably try to remain neutral, until the US forces are attacked directly on the ground, at sea or on the US mainland.

 

That will be a major problem for Trump. Whether to aid his allies or his enemies.

 

It may also cause a problem in the Middle East between Israel and all the Arab states around them, which may also go nuclear.

 

A nuke in Ukraine would likely invoke a nuclear response but it's unlikely to come from the US.

[billd766]

12 minutes ago, pattayasan said:

 

I agreed with everything until "would be prepared to use them". The consequences for Russia would be incalculable.

But do you think that Putin really cares about that?

[pattayasan]

Just now, billd766 said:

But do you think that Putin really cares about that?

 

He might want avoid standing near windows if he's thinking about it.

[RuamRudy]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Why would he pay reparations? Has the USA ever paid reparations?

 

What has the history of US wars got to do with this? Russia invaded a sovereign country and has committed countless atrocities as it has destroyed much of the country's infrastructure. There should be no doubt that Russia as a country must pay massively in reparations for many years to come.

 

For those who actively enabled and supported it's actions they need to face proper justice. I have a hope that once the war is over, Ukraine will establish some group similar to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and spend the next however many years hunting down and delivering justice to each and every one of those who have committed crimes in Ukraine. 

[gearbox]

35 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Putin is at it again threatening to use nuclear weapons. His nuclear war rhetoric since launching its assault on Ukraine in Feb 2022 is sounding stale. Multiple times he has threatened nuclear respond and all can see through his bluff. It is a zero sum game for him and Russia if he use any sort of nuclear weapons and he knows it. He don't have the support of his key allies China and India to initiate any sort of nuclear retaliation. 

USSR was preparing for nuclear war with NATO, not with Ukraine. They have tons of nukes(biggest pile in the world). For sure the former USSR wasn't relying on China and India for help, and the incumbent Russia doesn't need their help either.

[frank83628]

Just now, RuamRudy said:

 

What has the history of US wars got to do with this? Russia invaded a sovereign country and has committed countless atrocities as it has destroyed much of the country's infrastructure. There should be no doubt that Russia as a country must pay massively in reparations for many years to come.

 

For those who actively enabled and supported it's actions they need to face proper justice. I have a hope that once the war is over, Ukraine will establish some group similar to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and spend the next however many years hunting down and delivering justice to each and every one of those who have committed crimes in Ukraine. 

Well if you're going to make Putin pay for this war,  then the Yanks should also pay for their destructin of Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan. Or should this be a new rule only for Putin?

Rules for thee, but not for me!

 

[frank83628]

There seems to be a lot of members coming out of the woodwork since the election. How come all so silent before.

[Eric Loh]

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Putin won't do anything until Trump comes to power and there is a coherent President in place that he can have a real conversation with.

 

He knows this is just Biden (or more accurately those pulling his strings) trying to create problems for Trump on day one. Akin to a child who has been ejected from the classroom dropping a stink bomb on the way out. 

 

Shame on the Dems for playing games with the lives of innocent people. Can't say I'm surprised though, we have seen there are no depths they are not prepared to sink to.  

Laughable that Putin will wait 2 months to have a conversation with Trump. One day in a war is a long time. Innocent lives, mostly Ukraine civilians have been lost by Russia in discriminate and disproportionate missles attacks. Long range missles attacks authorised by Biden is long overdue and used to attack Russia military assets. 

[AndreasHG]

Poor Vlad. His conventional weapons have proven such a disappointment on the battlefield that all he has left is to brag about his nuclear arsenal, in the hope the world takes him seriously.

[lordgrinz]

Just now, AndreasHG said:

Poor Vlad. His conventional weapons have proven such a disappointment on the battlefield that all he has left is to brag about his nuclear arsenal, in the hope the world takes him seriously.

 

"Poor Vlad"? I find that hilarious, he holds Crimea and the whole Eastern part of Ukraine, and the West has themselves convinced this war is almost over and won.....SMH

[Paul52]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

You need to update you opinion of Russia, the cold war ended a long time ago

The Cold War didn’t actually end.  The West believed that with the collapse of the Soviet Union that a new Russia would bring change and peace.  They were wrong.  Nothing changed.  Politically, very little has changed in Russia since Katherine The Great.  And it never will.  The Cold War continues and may get a bit warmer soon.  NATO remains as relevant and important today as it did 70 years ago.

[James105]

36 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

What has the history of US wars got to do with this? Russia invaded a sovereign country and has committed countless atrocities as it has destroyed much of the country's infrastructure. There should be no doubt that Russia as a country must pay massively in reparations for many years to come.

 

For those who actively enabled and supported it's actions they need to face proper justice. I have a hope that once the war is over, Ukraine will establish some group similar to the Simon Wiesenthal Center, and spend the next however many years hunting down and delivering justice to each and every one of those who have committed crimes in Ukraine. 

 

Wishful thinking in the same way that I think that China should be paying reparations for Covid.  Let's just file that in the box of things that will never happen.   

 

The sooner people come to accept there is no perfect outcome from this and peace negotiations will no doubt lead to concessions from Ukraine that leaves a bad taste in the mouth, the sooner that the people from both Ukraine and Russia can stop dying unnecessarily at the whim of their leaders who do not really care about them.     

[OneMoreFarang]

3 hours ago, pattayasan said:

 

If Putin uses small nuclear weapons in Ukraine, NATO uses big nuclear weapons in Russia and Putin knows it.

Why would NATO do that?

Do you really think America or NATO will risk a nuclear war because of Ukraine? Who really cares about Ukraine? 

[pattayasan]

56 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why would NATO do that?

Do you really think America or NATO will risk a nuclear war because of Ukraine? Who really cares about Ukraine? 

 

Nobody except the countries arming Ukraine to the teeth.

[metisdead]

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