Bartering has been a part of civilization since the dawn of time.  The idea of a cashless society could be one of the greatest threats to freedom in human history.

 

-  the government can see your financial records

 

-  in 2083 the world will merge into a one government system.  a global currency is part of this plan.

 

-  your money will be frozen or reduced at will by the ruling party.  bought a pizza instead of that aspirin?  you'll pay for that.

 

-  got lucky on the horses?  no you didn't.

 

-  popped around to Sue's house at number 32?  explain why the visit cost 1,000 bhat.

 

-  seizing money from citizens first and asking questions later via civil forfeiture.  by seizing a citizen’s or a firm’s money, the victim/defendant has almost no choice but to settle.

 

- imagine a future in which soon, a government staff member could suspect an individual of some misconduct, or perhaps deem that person’s politics or speech unacceptable. it would take just a few keystrokes to order all financial institutions to decline any withdrawal or payment from that individual.

 

How about you?  Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

Cash ? Isn't that old paper stuff that they used to use in the old days ?

Usually had the Kings picture on it and you used to have to carry around with you ?

8 minutes ago, Chris Daley said:

How about you?  Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

Still use cash quite often. Was doing the prompt pay for nearly every transaction for about three years when the covid apocalypse zombie craze started. Anymore just use prompt pay for bills. So definitely prefer cash society especially when the electricity fails.

I'm fairly cash free in the USA.  In Thailand 100% cash and always have 10-20,000 baht on me and an ATM card to a thai bank to get more.

I think people joke about it because they don't understand the impact it puts on our privacy and freedoms. In China it is almost always cashless now. They always pay with Wechat. If the world gets to that point, then you will no longer have control over your money. It will always be monitored and your spending will be monitored and analyzed and judged by a central government. Say you don't care? You will care when they block your bank account for some stupid reason. 

The OP presents an image of an someone who is afraid of advances and who is unable to understand the benefits cashless transactions bring to the marketplace. No more time wasted on tills counting change, reduced likelihood of petty thefts , reduced likelihood of armed robbery and an ease of administration. The paranoid scenarios described are all possible now in a world where cash can still be used. 

 

The only place I still have to use cash is in Thailand and it is a nuisance. I just don't like handling currency, particularly in places where their are infectious diseases. The sooner Thailand moves to  POS technology, the easier it will be.  I am an honest person and pay my taxes, so I have no need to hide my transactions in bitcoin or cash.

 

The only bonafide reason to maintain some cash capability is to respond when there is a power failure and e commerce cannot be pursued. As  e commerce systems become more redundant  and safer, the risk reduces. As it is now, even in a cash option society, , we cannot access the cash in saving institutionswhen there is a power failure  because the withdrawals cannot be processed.

 

I am shocked when I see the answers. 

Didn't know people are so brainwashed.

OP may not be the smartest post, but 10 years after Snowden, one would expect some people to have woken up.

 

People who support Cashless Society

 

Some good points raised by the op. 

I suspect if and when there is a stranglehold on the desires of the citizen who wishes to behave in ways not authorized by the state most posters on here will be long gone.

Bit like burning fossil fuels our generations receive the short term benefits while future generations will possibly be paying an awful cost.

 

4 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

Bartering has been a part of civilization since the dawn of time.  The idea of a cashless society could be one of the greatest threats to freedom in human history.

 

-  the government can see your financial records

 

-  in 2083 the world will merge into a one government system.  a global currency is part of this plan.

 

-  your money will be frozen or reduced at will by the ruling party.  bought a pizza instead of that aspirin?  you'll pay for that.

 

-  got lucky on the horses?  no you didn't.

 

-  popped around to Sue's house at number 32?  explain why the visit cost 1,000 bhat.

 

-  seizing money from citizens first and asking questions later via civil forfeiture.  by seizing a citizen’s or a firm’s money, the victim/defendant has almost no choice but to settle.

 

- imagine a future in which soon, a government staff member could suspect an individual of some misconduct, or perhaps deem that person’s politics or speech unacceptable. it would take just a few keystrokes to order all financial institutions to decline any withdrawal or payment from that individual.

 

How about you?  Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

I guess you'd use troll tokens. You could collect them when people cross your bridge.

If you're pulled aside by a nefarious type in a dark alley, cash will get you out that bind, if you pull out your phone to transfer him money, likely he'll take that too - lol.

It's gone from trading things with intrinsic value: materials, livestock, women, to trading pieces of paper that is supposed to reflect wealth, to now just some digital nonsense that has no foundation at all (if totally cashless happens). Complete load of <deleted> and I will be out in the sticks while the suckers are busy scanning QR codes and whatever nonsense is coming next.

6 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The OP presents an image of an someone who is afraid of advances and who is unable to understand the benefits cashless transactions bring to the marketplace. No more time wasted on tills counting change, reduced likelihood of petty thefts , reduced likelihood of armed robbery and an ease of administration. The paranoid scenarios described are all possible now in a world where cash can still be used. 

 

The only place I still have to use cash is in Thailand and it is a nuisance. I just don't like handling currency, particularly in places where their are infectious diseases. The sooner Thailand moves to  POS technology, the easier it will be.  I am an honest person and pay my taxes, so I have no need to hide my transactions in bitcoin or cash.

 

The only bonafide reason to maintain some cash capability is to respond when there is a power failure and e commerce cannot be pursued. As  e commerce systems become more redundant  and safer, the risk reduces. As it is now, even in a cash option society, , we cannot access the cash in saving institutionswhen there is a power failure  because the withdrawals cannot be processed.

 

Priceless. Actually you may want to ask the Chinese how they enjoy that system or even the Canadian truckers whose bank accounts were blocked. Governments are chomping at the bit to control your money-because they want it! Eventually it will get down to honest people like you and I. Because they want it!!!

9 hours ago, Chris Daley said:

Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

 

Cashless sosiety.

Trudeau, frozen the bank accounts of the Canadian protesters.

 

Pay by card.🤔

It's a track and trace device.

 

I draw money from my account to use the cash at retail outlets, or for whatever, there's only the one transaction for the government to question.

But they can still track your phone 😎

On 12/7/2024 at 10:51 PM, Chris Daley said:

in 2083

 

yeah who cares 

Cashless society is going to have the biggest impact of beggars and drunks, who will now cut out the middlemen and go straight to shop theft.

 

 

Power and communication outages have already caused massive problems, eg in Australia, but at least some folk still had cash to fall back on.

 

A dual system suits me although cash is more manageable and far quicker to transact in most stores.

2083. that's a nice round number.

 

"carbon footprint" could start being monitored. 

If you spend money on things which pollute, maybe you get penalized. 

 

who knows what they could/will do? 

 

and how can anyone pay for a hooker? I guess you need to buy her jewellery? 

 

On 12/8/2024 at 12:01 AM, jimmybcool said:

In Thailand 100% cash and always have 10-20,000 baht on me and an ATM card to a thai bank to get more.

 

Same here how ever I typically have 5k on me.

I withdraw once a month at an ATM. cash kept in safe at home.

On 12/7/2024 at 10:51 PM, Chris Daley said:

Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

I've always used my Wisdom, Kasikorn credit card for almost all purchases, even 99 baht 2lt milk from Tops. My credit card points accumulating with every purchase. 

 

 

I've got nothing to worry about, no concerns whatsoever, I've got nothing to hide. 

 

I don't  Cashless society is for people who don't think of its implications.

On 12/7/2024 at 10:51 PM, Chris Daley said:

Bartering has been a part of civilization since the dawn of time.  The idea of a cashless society could be one of the greatest threats to freedom in human history.

 

-  the government can see your financial records

 

-  in 2083 the world will merge into a one government system.  a global currency is part of this plan.

 

-  your money will be frozen or reduced at will by the ruling party.  bought a pizza instead of that aspirin?  you'll pay for that.

 

-  got lucky on the horses?  no you didn't.

 

-  popped around to Sue's house at number 32?  explain why the visit cost 1,000 bhat.

 

-  seizing money from citizens first and asking questions later via civil forfeiture.  by seizing a citizen’s or a firm’s money, the victim/defendant has almost no choice but to settle.

 

- imagine a future in which soon, a government staff member could suspect an individual of some misconduct, or perhaps deem that person’s politics or speech unacceptable. it would take just a few keystrokes to order all financial institutions to decline any withdrawal or payment from that individual.

 

How about you?  Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

I agree with everything the OP says. I still use both, and always keep some cash tucked away for emergencies. Computer systems have broken down several times recently in the UK, leaving people either unable to withdraw cash or purchase anything.

 

Many will say it's "tin hat" time, but we are losing more and more control over our own lives to governments. less freedom to say what you want, and soon control over how and what you spend your money on. 

if you can't spend on what you want, you can't own what you want.

I have said before. The Australian government already did this with some pension payments. gave recipients a card instead of cash. Could only be spent in certain stores. Could not be spent on cigarettes or alcohol. Similar to the recent Pheu Thai THB10,000 scheme.

 

"You will own nothing and be happy."

On 12/8/2024 at 12:56 AM, scoutman360 said:

In China it is almost always cashless now.

 

Things have certainly changed.

 

Just twenty years ago, China was a cash society.  I used to accompany my girlfriend visiting businesses collecting payments for her landscaping firm.  Sometimes we'd walk out of the client's office with a hundred thousand RMB that we'd walk to the BoC to deposit.

 

Nowadays many shops and cafes won't accept cash, WeChat only. 

On 12/7/2024 at 4:51 PM, Chris Daley said:

Bartering has been a part of civilization since the dawn of time.  The idea of a cashless society could be one of the greatest threats to freedom in human history.

 

-  the government can see your financial records

 

-  in 2083 the world will merge into a one government system.  a global currency is part of this plan.

 

-  your money will be frozen or reduced at will by the ruling party.  bought a pizza instead of that aspirin?  you'll pay for that.

 

-  got lucky on the horses?  no you didn't.

 

-  popped around to Sue's house at number 32?  explain why the visit cost 1,000 bhat.

 

-  seizing money from citizens first and asking questions later via civil forfeiture.  by seizing a citizen’s or a firm’s money, the victim/defendant has almost no choice but to settle.

 

- imagine a future in which soon, a government staff member could suspect an individual of some misconduct, or perhaps deem that person’s politics or speech unacceptable. it would take just a few keystrokes to order all financial institutions to decline any withdrawal or payment from that individual.

 

How about you?  Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

 

All those things can also protect innocent good people from abuse and corruption. And in theory stop drug cartells, but as we see, they just got new tools to continue their dirty business, by inventing digital valutas

 

 

On 12/7/2024 at 10:51 PM, Chris Daley said:

Bartering has been a part of civilization since the dawn of time.  The idea of a cashless society could be one of the greatest threats to freedom in human history.

 

-  the government can see your financial records

 

-  in 2083 the world will merge into a one government system.  a global currency is part of this plan.

 

-  your money will be frozen or reduced at will by the ruling party.  bought a pizza instead of that aspirin?  you'll pay for that.

 

-  got lucky on the horses?  no you didn't.

 

-  popped around to Sue's house at number 32?  explain why the visit cost 1,000 bhat.

 

-  seizing money from citizens first and asking questions later via civil forfeiture.  by seizing a citizen’s or a firm’s money, the victim/defendant has almost no choice but to settle.

 

- imagine a future in which soon, a government staff member could suspect an individual of some misconduct, or perhaps deem that person’s politics or speech unacceptable. it would take just a few keystrokes to order all financial institutions to decline any withdrawal or payment from that individual.

 

How about you?  Do you still use cash or do prefer the cashless society?

 

any link to any of the above or just daily dribble ?

 

disinformation much

 

in 2083, most of us will be dead anyway

On 12/8/2024 at 1:29 AM, Patong2021 said:

The OP presents an image of an someone who is afraid of advances and who is unable to understand the benefits cashless transactions bring to the marketplace. No more time wasted on tills counting change, reduced likelihood of petty thefts , reduced likelihood of armed robbery and an ease of administration. The paranoid scenarios described are all possible now in a world where cash can still be used. 

 

The only place I still have to use cash is in Thailand and it is a nuisance. I just don't like handling currency, particularly in places where their are infectious diseases. The sooner Thailand moves to  POS technology, the easier it will be.  I am an honest person and pay my taxes, so I have no need to hide my transactions in bitcoin or cash.

 

The only bonafide reason to maintain some cash capability is to respond when there is a power failure and e commerce cannot be pursued. As  e commerce systems become more redundant  and safer, the risk reduces. As it is now, even in a cash option society, , we cannot access the cash in saving institutionswhen there is a power failure  because the withdrawals cannot be processed.

 

"I am an honest person and pay my taxes,"  If you are a Brit, there is no reason to be honest when your government most certainly isn't. Two homes at the taxpayers expense, other jobs while collecting the full MP's wages, various other "expenses" too many to mention.

1 hour ago, phetphet said:

I agree with everything the OP says. I still use both, and always keep some cash tucked away for emergencies. Computer systems have broken down several times recently in the UK, leaving people either unable to withdraw cash or purchase anything.

 

Many will say it's "tin hat" time, but we are losing more and more control over our own lives to governments. less freedom to say what you want, and soon control over how and what you spend your money on. 

if you can't spend on what you want, you can't own what you want.

I have said before. The Australian government already did this with some pension payments. gave recipients a card instead of cash. Could only be spent in certain stores. Could not be spent on cigarettes or alcohol. Similar to the recent Pheu Thai THB10,000 scheme.

 

"You will own nothing and be happy."

"but we are losing more and more control over our own lives to governments". Very true, there will come a time when everyone will be under a sort of CCTV when nothing will be private. Think about it.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

and how can anyone pay for a hooker? I guess you need to buy her jewellery? 

 

A friend in Pattaya pays for chicks with his phone when they come over.  The working girls are always in the Vanguard!

32 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

Very true, there will come a time when everyone will be under a sort of CCTV when nothing will be private. Think about it.

no one cares what you're doing, unless it's illegal.

more surveillance = safer world for everyone

I await the day, many decades (at least) from now, when electricity will be available 24/7/52 without any disruption and computer systems will function 27/7/52 without any disruption and Andriods/iPhones will never breakdown - then I shall agree to go cashless.

 

Until that time, I shall always carry cash and use it for most face-to-face purchases.