Do you think Air Travel is safe these days?

[ukrules]

I was on a flight earlier today, seemed just fine to me.
 

[ukrules]

13 hours ago, treetops said:

 

Even without hydraulics it can be manually lowered.

 

Which is all fine and good if you have plenty of time, I read something about what they're calling the 'wall of death' - not sure how accurate that is.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

The question was rhetorical with the objective of highliting the safety of air-travel. 

 

If the risk of air-travel was not so 'insignificant' then the higher paying passengers would be placed in the safest area of the air-craft - but that measure is not taken because comfort and convenience by far outweighs the almost Infinitesimally small risk. 

It's quieter in front of the engines.

 

I always got a seat right at the back, but that was so I could get on before the mob, not because I thought it was safer.

[Hawaiian]

15 hours ago, RSD1 said:

Looks like Bob really overstepped himself on this latest drunken and fearful brain fart of his.
 

The data on commercial flight safety quickly reveals that there is no basis at all for any of his usual fear mongering.

 

Alas, another one of his rubbish topics that everybody should just abandon immediately.  

Bloomberg Businessweek has an article entitled "Stop worrying if your airplane is unsafe."  Evidently they thought it was a topic worthwhile to print.

[Hawaiian]

13 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Generally, air travel is very safe.

 

Having said that, I would never get on a Russian aircraft. They are cannibalizing their Boeings and Airbuses because of sanctions.

 

The two brands make up 70% of the domestic fleet, does anyone feel lucky?

More casualties on the way, compliments of Putin.

[mdr224]

Anyone having to go out on thai roads every day worried about their safety on airplanes needs perspective

[newbee2022]

What does it mean "in these days"? Christmas?

Traveling by airplane is the safest way to travel.

Everybody knows that.

Was it a subject last night sitting on a bar stool?

[Skeptic7]

16 hours ago, BarBoy said:

Yeah, and by the looks of it 179 people have just died.

 

No HNY for them, eh?

People die every day of every year for myriad reasons, regardless of time of year...and the vast majority are not in air crashes. 200 have died on Thai roads in the past 4 days and 200 more will die in the next 4 days...and again the 4 days after that...forever. Driving a any motor vehicle, especially a motorcycle, is 1000s of times more dangerous than air travel. 

[worrab]

17 hours ago, Chivas said:

I'll be guarded in my response but after my flight on Thai back to London on 26th December I will never be flying them again

Can you enlighten us please.

[sqwakvfr]

In general yes but there are some air lines I do not fly.  If possible I avoid the low cost carriers.  In the US about 20 years ago low cost/commuter airlines were growiing rapidly.  A fatal crash with Colgan Air in  Buffalo New York in 2009 lead to changes that increased pilot training and flight time standards.  

 

Since I am in Thailand when I fly internationally or regionally I avoid the low cost carriers.  This is not to say they are less safe than the larger carriers but in most cases the pilots will have more flight expeirence with the larger known names. 

 

In the past 15 to 20 years S. Korea has seen a large expansion of budget carriers that fly to many destination in Asia and in southeast Asia. Some of the well known S. Korean budget airlines are Jin Air (owned by Korean Air), Air Seoul, Air Busan and Jeju Air. 

 

For domestic flights in LOS I either fly Thai Airways or Bangkok Airways.  For medium or long haul international flights I normally fly Korean, EVA or Singapore. 

 

 

[henryford1958]

Of course it's safe as long as you don't fly over a war zone and fly with companies with weird names like Jeju.

[ChrisKC]

17 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

One facet to all of this.. 

 

The survivors on the Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 were in the tail of the aircraft.

 

Test-Crashes have shown that...

Front of the Plane: Passengers in the front of the plane typically experience the highest G-forces during a crash. Studies showed that forces can range from 12 G to over 50 G, depending on the crash's severity.

 

Middle of the Plane: Forces tend to decrease slightly in the middle of the plane, with typical G-forces ranging from 6 G to 20 G.

 

Back of the Plane: Passengers in the rear often experience the lowest G-forces because of the cushioning effect of the fuselage's collapse. Forces here may range from 4 G to 12 G in controlled crash scenarios.

 

 

So... Why is Business and First Class not at the back of the Plane if it is the safer area ????

(Years ago was on a domestic flight in Kazakhstan - business was at the back of the plane).

 

Answer of course, is that the risk of an accident is so low it is considered insignificant when balanced against convenience for boarding and deplaning and cabin noise.

 

The context of safety in this particular incident needs to take account of the  integrity of the planes structure after being hit by a Russian missile which in itself was not an accident

[gargamon]

Meanwhile in Canada:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/halifax-airport-rough-landing-plane-fire-1.7419854?cmp=rss

[sqwakvfr]

34 minutes ago, henryford1958 said:

Of course it's safe as long as you don't fly over a war zone and fly with companies with weird names like Jeju.

Jeju is an island off the south coast of S. Korea.  It may be weird to you but not to me or many others. 

[Sandboxer]

Take one letter out of the Boeing and you're let with a more suitable "BOING!"

[GinBoy2]

I just listened to an aviation expert on situation.

 

Whatever the reason the landing gear didn't deploy will be discovered later.

 

However what killed everyone was the solid wall at the end of the runway.

 

What he stated was normal construction would be the ILS antenna as a stand alone and designed to collapse in the event of an aircraft overrun, certainly not running into a wall  which caused the aircraft to explode..

 

Now many of you know I work for an airline, but I'd never been out to the movement area before, but I did take a trip out today, and sure enough I saw the ILS antenna and then basically an open field.

 

This guy contented that the Capt. performed a perfect gear up landing, and without that wall everyone would be alive!

[pest]

Safer than any Thai road

[cjinchiangrai]

Nope, you should stay home.

[Chivas]

3 hours ago, worrab said:

Can you enlighten us please.

 

No and I'll tell you why (in addition if you go to the recent Chinese Carrier thread of mine under travel forum you'll see the same comment)  Thai defamation laws can be brutal and firstly I dont want to be in the firing line and secondly neither would the forum owners

 

All I'll say is whats in the public domain in that Thai is a financially challenged airline and the evidence was utterly overwhelming

 

The difference between flying the last time with them in 2003 was beyond staggering

 

If seat back videos dont work if USB ports dont work if reading lights dont come on if A/C power ports below seats dont work and if flight attendants dont bother to come when you summon them then what else is....................................................

 

I'll let you work out the all important missing comment

 

[Chivas]

12 hours ago, still kicking said:

Nonsense I flew Thai twice this year BKK Perth never had any problem  

 

Whats nonsense you weapon !!!

 

I didnt even start to highlight the overwhelming faults with my aircraft

I said solely I'd never be flying them again on an airline piloted by people with a Buddhist upbringing and a "mai pen rai" attitude should the worst happen

Not if but simply when.....I refer you to what is probably still the post above this one

 

 

[Ralf001]

15 minutes ago, Chivas said:

 

Whats nonsense you weapon !!!

 

I didnt even start to highlight the overwhelming faults with my aircraft

I said solely I'd never be flying them again on an airline piloted by people with a Buddhist upbringing and a "mai pen rai" attitude should the worst happen

Not if but simply when.....I refer you to what is probably still the post above this one

 

 

 

Been 26 years since they last crashed and killed passengers, when do you think the next will be ?

[spidermike007]

Extremely safe, we hear about every crash that takes place everywhere in the world, and yet there are tens of thousands of flights every day involving millions of passengers. So it is likely the safest way to travel. 

 

It is truly the luck of the draw, if it's your day there is no avoidance of the Grim Reaper. 

[soalbundy]

22 hours ago, BarBoy said:

It seems we are seeing more and more plane crashes resulting in fatalities these days, and with the rise of low cost airlines and Boeing out on strike every other week it was always bound to get worse. With an industry that seems to increasingly favor profit levels over safety, I personally think a big shift in attitudes is needed if the airlines want to win back the public's trust.

 

So, do you think Air Travel is still safe?

 

Statistically speaking I would say yes, of course, no questions asked, air travel is still by far the safest mode of transportation in the world. However, whenever I step on a plane these days it is always with an added layer of trepidation, and every bump is always felt with a little more anxiety than usual...

 

I don't trust budget airlines as far as I can throw them, but that wont stop me getting on a plane just yet.

It's strange that aircraft accidents seem to come in two's or threes close together.

[Scouse123]

22 hours ago, ChumpChange said:

And 385,000 more people are born every day. As I said, lighten up, mate. Just be thankful that it's not your time.

 

How many die?

[Negita43]

6 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

How many die?

Eventually all of them

[Ralf001]

8 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

 

How many die?

 

The numbers are fairly low.

 

[digger70]

Do you think Air Travel is safe these days?

 

Yea it's Safe But it Depends What Airline one is  Flying with.

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, ChrisKC said:

The context of safety in this particular incident needs to take account of the  integrity of the planes structure after being hit by a Russian missile which in itself was not an accident

 

In which case consider the Jeju air tragedy whereby the two sole survivors were cabin crew seated in the tail of the aircraft.

[AgMech Cowboy]

On the whole, I'd say that air travel is more 'risky' now, but still much better and safer than the roads.  I will not be taking any economy flights (the exception being Air Asia) anytime.  I'm old enough not to need to fly and if I do it'll be on EVA, Qatar Airways, Emirates, Etihad, Japan Air or Singapore Airlines.  (no American airlines will be considered)

[AgMech Cowboy]

1 hour ago, soalbundy said:

It's strange that aircraft accidents seem to come in two's or threes close together.

I remember in the 60's, 70's and 80's hearing those sentiments.  Back then it seemed to ring true. I'm not sure that's still the case, but this past week has sure related it.