Putin has already won... stop reading the MSM, you all loo so foolish not to understand this was already lost for the Z man

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Putin has already won... stop reading the MSM, you all loo so foolish not to understand this was already lost for the Z man

Just an excuse for $$ laundering. Now mr so pure and clean he squeaks in the bath is back, no need for boondoggles like this. One day we will learn where the trillions went under Biden and his team of wronguns, team left will be covering their ears and screaming like when origins of covid and the lappy were revealed. It is to laugh.

On 4/18/2025 at 6:13 PM, FriscoKid said:

Well, there you go. The stage has been set. The man who promised for months to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours of taking office as president is now walking away, less than 90 days later, without any success at all. Zero. Nada. Giving up, throwing in the towel, exit stage left, and with nothing to show to the world as anything positive. The great deal and peacemaker. Always Winning!

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/18/europe/rubio-russia-war-in-ukraine-us-talks-intl-hnk/index.html

 

 

 

 

Then maybe we will see much more action from the Europe gang.

18 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

Then maybe we will see much more action from the Europe gang.

I think those balls have already been well in motion since Trump took office. The UK, France and Germany have already stepped up. 

Just now, FriscoKid said:

I think those balls have already been well in motion since Trump took office. The UK, France and Germany have already stepped up. 

Good, Spain also.

On 4/18/2025 at 6:52 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Biden deserves it. His amazing (if mysterious to team left) work with Burisma that so impressed Putin and had such a calming effect on the whole region😅. Or Boris Johnson for his wonderful work to scuttle negotiations which allowed the maiming and death to start. Or Ukraine for peacefully blowing up Nordstream2 and releasing years worth of greenhouse gasses. Or credible western msm for their years long pre invasion narrative that Ukraine has a Nazi problem. Bravo lads.

Obviously you see the whole picture. I agree in all your points.

Yesterday I read a report describing the business of Shell, Total and a German company. They buy liquid gas in Siberia and carry it to Belgium. From there it's going to all European countries.

The money is fueling the Ukraine war, unlimited.

So all sanctions are just useless. Global Players are ruling, not erratic wannabes 

The anti-Trump people here are having a Field Day! I would love to do business deals with them because they have no clue about "The Art of the Deal". They would be a pushover. What Trump is saying is a deal-making strategy to get concessions from Putin. Maybe the strategy will work, maybe not, let's see. Maybe it will lead to a new strategy. ... To Trump's mockers here, I have 2 bridges over the Chao Phraya River for sale. Buy one get one free. Just reply with: "I have no idea about the art of the deal." and I'll get back to you. 🙃

On 4/18/2025 at 6:13 PM, FriscoKid said:

Well, there you go. The stage has been set. The man who promised for months to end the war in Ukraine within 24 hours of taking office as president is now walking away, less than 90 days later, without any success at all. Zero. Nada. Giving up, throwing in the towel, exit stage left, and with nothing to show to the world as anything positive. The great deal and peacemaker. Always Winning!

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/04/18/europe/rubio-russia-war-in-ukraine-us-talks-intl-hnk/index.html

 

 

 

President Trump can make a peace agreement, if the deep state of USA, and the European countries give him some supports.

They no want peace, and the leadership of Ukraina no want peace also.

The war is working, as a good milking cow.

 No stupid person wants stop it.

Ok, all ukrainan men should like no go to the frontline, no want to die, or became disabled.

Their opinion, their wish is no matter, no counts.

So the meat grinder is rolling ahead.

 

 

10 hours ago, FriscoKid said:

I think those balls have already been well in motion since Trump took office. The UK, France and Germany have already stepped up. 

Yeah right, they're squabbling between them, seamer is a weak and very unpopular man. UK politics is a pathetic joke. As are the anti trumpers here

2 hours ago, bogozy said:

President Trump can make a peace agreement, if the deep state of USA, and the European countries give him some supports.

They no want peace, and the leadership of Ukraina no want peace also.

The war is working, as a good milking cow.

 No stupid person wants stop it.

Ok, all ukrainan men should like no go to the frontline, no want to die, or became disabled.

Their opinion, their wish is no matter, no counts.

So the meat grinder is rolling ahead.

 

 

Trump is weak and Putin knows it. 

On 4/18/2025 at 6:52 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

Biden deserves it. His amazing (if mysterious to team left) work with Burisma that so impressed Putin and had such a calming effect on the whole region😅. Or Boris Johnson for his wonderful work to scuttle negotiations which allowed the maiming and death to start. Or Ukraine for peacefully blowing up Nordstream2 and releasing years worth of greenhouse gasses. Or credible western msm for their years long pre invasion narrative that Ukraine has a Nazi problem. Bravo lads.

Ah yes, “the Russia was forced by Ukraine and the West to invade” trope, created by the FSB and faithfully parroted by the MAGA acolytes.

On 4/19/2025 at 10:27 AM, JonnyF said:

 

Trump never bought the scam that Zelensky was selling.

 

It required a guy suffering from dementia to believe that rubbish but Biden is gone. 

 

Zelensky needs to realize he lost his cards and stop acting like he has a royal flush. He doesn't and everyone knows it. 

Ah yes, the “scam” that a murderous dictator has invaded his country for the third time.

7 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

Ah yes, “the Russia was forced by Ukraine and the West to invade” trope, created by the FSB and faithfully parroted by the MAGA acolytes.

Literally nobody claimed that, and it is not a quote from me.

 

Does the left cult now accept there was many provocations(NATO eastward expansion,VP Biden in charge of Ukraines judicial system, US biolabs etc etc) that helped start the war, or are they still down the Putin is a madman and there was no reason whatsoever for the invasion?

4 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Literally nobody claimed that, and it is not a quote from me.

 

Does the left cult now accept there was many provocations(NATO eastward expansion,VP Biden in charge of Ukraines judicial system, US biolabs etc etc) that helped start the war, or are they still down the Putin is a madman and there was no reason whatsoever for the invasion?

If you can find someone from “the left cult” you can ask them.

 

That said, I’m glad you agree that Putin’s third invasion of Ukraine was a totally unjustified act of aggression that any sane and moral person condemns.

 

Edit:  I gave you your sad emoji right back.

It is my understanding that several years ago Ukraine agreed to surrender nuclear weapons and the USA declared they would protect Ukraine.

 

How under Trump has that worked for them. Another country to be sacrificed and abandoned by the USA. Who needs friends when you have Trump.

7 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Literally nobody claimed that, and it is not a quote from me.

 

Does the left cult now accept there was many provocations(NATO eastward expansion,VP Biden in charge of Ukraines judicial system, US biolabs etc etc) that helped start the war, or are they still down the Putin is a madman and there was no reason whatsoever for the invasion?

 

NATO didn't expand eastward......countries fearful for their future joined NATO......huge difference.

8 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Literally nobody claimed that, and it is not a quote from me.

 

Does the left cult now accept there was many provocations(NATO eastward expansion,VP Biden in charge of Ukraines judicial system, US biolabs etc etc) that helped start the war, or are they still down the Putin is a madman and there was no reason whatsoever for the invasion?

All garbage Kremlin talking points.

In 2022:

https://www.durbin.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/durbin-portman-rubio-provisions-to-ban-us-recognition-of-any-ukrainian-territory-annexed-by-russia-included-in-proposed-fy23-ndaa-substitute

 

Quote

 

U.S. Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL) and U.S. Senator Rob Portman (R-OH), Co-Chairs of the Senate Ukraine Caucus, and Senator Marco Rubio (R-FL) announced their amendments that prohibit the United States from recognizing any Russian claim of sovereignty over any portion of the internationally recognized territory of Ukraine have been included in the substitute of the Senate-version of the Fiscal Year (FY) 2023 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that advanced to the Senate floor.  The provisions also specifically prohibit the use of U.S. funds to implement any activity that recognizes the sovereignty of Russia over Crimea and four additional provinces most recently facing sham Russian annexation referendums.

 

.......There is no amount of propaganda or political scheming that can change the reality of what is happening in Ukraine,” said Rubio. “Vladimir Putin is the real aggressor in this war, and he is attempting an unjustified takeover of a sovereign, democratic country. The United States cannot recognize Putin’s claims or we risk establishing a dangerous precedent for other authoritarian regimes, like the Chinese Communist Party, to imitate.”  

 

 

On 4/20/2025 at 9:48 PM, Colki said:

It is my understanding that several years ago Ukraine agreed to surrender nuclear weapons and the USA declared they would protect Ukraine.

 

How under Trump has that worked for them. Another country to be sacrificed and abandoned by the USA. Who needs friends when you have Trump.

Agree, with the caveat that Ukraine surrendered nuclear weapons with assurances that Russia would respect its territorial integrity.  3 Russian invasions later... everyone but Russia wishes they kept their nukes.