21 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Off the top of my head, my guess is that you don't understand the nature of a temporary injunction or why such an order would be issued.  

 

And yes, what the court did was not out of line with what anyone would expect, including me.   Go do your homework and come back when you understand why that is so. 

 

You keep getting in over your head on topics you don't really understand. 

I understand exactly what is going on. I posted this.

 

You on the other hand  jumped in claiming you are Perry Mason and know more about the issue when there isn't any more to know yet. Drop the bs about your legal knowledge as it does hold up.  You claim that article 2 supports your claim and it has nothing to do with this issue except in your mind. 

3 hours ago, jas007 said:

I have a law degree.  I've worked for the Justice Department.  And you? 

Janitorial services don't really count.

Just now, jas007 said:

As I said, the matter is not settled.  What part of that do you not understand?  I'm sure the ruling says whatever it says.  So what?  That's not the last word.   

 

People who do not understand how the judicial system functions should probably go do something else.  Watch a move. Play a video game.  

No one said its completely settled and I addressed that specifically to you that it will most likely be appealed. Will anything change don't know yet . Go play games somewhere else because it does stand up here

42 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

U.S. District Judge Fernando Rodriguez Jr

He's a conservative not a liberal or activist and he was appointed by Trump in 2018

2 minutes ago, Dan O said:

I understand exactly what is going on. I posted this.

 

You on the other hand  jumped in claiming you are Perry Mason and know more about the issue when there isn't any more to know yet. Drop the bs about your legal knowledge as it does hold up.  You claim that article 2 supports your claim and it has nothing to do with this issue except in your mind. 

Ok. Think what you want.  There's a foreign policy angle, at least according to Trump, and you'd be hard pressed to say that's a fantasy. Trump is the President.  Remember?  He's trying to do his job.  Or is he not entitled to do just that?  He sees foreign invaders.  He sees alien enemies. And there's a law on the books. 

 

I don't claim to be Perry Mason, and I don't know how this will turn out.  But I'm comfortable in saying this: the US Supreme Court will resolve the issue, and you can bet that they won't obliterate the ability of the US President to conduct foreign policy.  If the court is doing its job, they'll take a step back and look at the big picture.  And the big picture is not "Get Trump."  The big picture will be focused on question of whether a US President can conduct foreign policy, or whether that policy can be neutered any time someone finds a federal judge who has a political agenda. 

 

It's not rocket science, it's common sense.

 

Why not let this run its course?  See if I'm not right.  Maybe I'm naive, but I think the court will do the right thing.  

 

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Dan O said:

He's a conservative not a liberal or activist and he was appointed by Trump in 2018

And Musk, Kennedy and Garbard were Dems. As for 2018 different times mate.

21 minutes ago, Dan O said:

No one said its completely settled and I addressed that specifically to you that it will most likely be appealed. Will anything change don't know yet . Go play games somewhere else because it does stand up here

Cheap shot.  You're responding to a reply I made to someone else.  Try again.

 

I'm not "playing games."  Just trying to shed some light on the situation for the mentally challenged.  "Get Trump."  Really?  is that your mindset?  

 

Leave it alone for now.  And come back later after you realize that "Get trump" is not a winning strategy. The issues are bigger than that. 

 

I can wait. 

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Ok. Think what you want.  There's a foreign policy angle, at least according to Trump, and you'd be hard pressed to say that's a fantasy. Trump is the President.  Remember?  He's trying to do his job.  Or is he not entitled to do just that?  He sees foreign invaders.  He sees alien enemies. And there's a law on the books. 

 

I don't claim to be Perry Mason, and I don't know how this will turn out.  But I'm comfortable in saying this: the US Supreme Court will resolve the issue, and you can bet that they won't obliterate the ability of the US President to conduct foreign policy.  If the court is doing its job, they'll take a step back and look at the big picture.  And the big picture is not "Get Trump."  The big picture will be focused on question of whether a US President can conduct foreign policy, or whether that policy can be neutered any time someone finds a federal judge who has a political agenda. 

 

It's not rocket science, it's common sense.

 

Why not let this run its course?  See if I'm not right.  Maybe I'm naive, but I think the court will do the right thing.  

 

 

 

 

If its common sense why do you keep spouting bs about it being foreign policy. He may be president but he's not a king and he answers to the people. He is held in balance by the courts and the constitutuon not what he thinks it says or wants to twist it to be.   

 

The courts are there for a reason and they are doing what they were tasked to do.  Even if you dont like the responses they give to the dumbass approach and blatant disregard for laws Trump is displaying 

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

Cheap shot.  You're responding to a reply I made to someone else.  Try again.

 

I'm not "playing games."  Just trying to shed some light on the situation for the mentally challenged.  "Get Trump."  Really?  is that your mindset?  

 

Leave it alone for now.  And come back later after you realize that "Get trump" is not a winning strategy. The issues are bigger than that. 

 

I can wait. 

Wait all you want the situation is what it is. You claim to be something your not and its obvious by the replies you make that just your feeble defense of a POS that thinks he can do what he want and ignore laws and protocol that he could use correctly. Go cry your blues to someone that cares. 

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

And Musk, Kennedy and Garbard were Dems. As for 2018 different times mate.

They have nothing to do with this issue. Nice try at deflection but no thank you

39 minutes ago, Dan O said:

If its common sense why do you keep spouting bs about it being foreign policy. He may be president but he's not a king and he answers to the people. He is held in balance by the courts and the constitutuon not what he thinks it says or wants to twist it to be.   

 

The courts are there for a reason and they are doing what they were tasked to do.  Even if you dont like the responses they give to the dumbass approach and blatant disregard for laws Trump is displaying 

You really don't get it, do you? He's the President. He was elected by "the people." He's doing his job. It's not a hard concept to understand.  He may be right. He may be wrong.  But he's doing his job. 

 

Yes, there is a constitution. Yes, there are courts. And when this issue is finally adjudicated in the courts, I'm fairly comfortable in stating that the US Supreme Court will allow the duky elected President some leeway in conducting US foreign policy. The alternative would be chaos.  Neuter the US President's ability to conduct foreign policy?  Really? 

 

Is it strictly a matter of foreign policy?  No. But you can't say there are no foreign policy issues. And that's the problem. Where will the court draw the line?  You can bet they'll have a decision and that decision will not be to allow chaos. 

 

In any event, what's your solution?  I have yet to hear that from you, other than some nonsense abbot "the people" and the "constitution."  "The people" spoke when they elected President Trump, and, under the constitution, the Supreme Court will issue a ruling.  Let's see what happens. 

 

Take a step back. Look at the big picture.  Do you think the president should have no say in matters of foreign policy?  Leave it all to any number of federal judges? Imagine the President getting a phone call in the middle of the night about a pressing issue.  What's he supposed to do? Canvas all federal judges? Consult "the people"? Or is he supposed to do something then and there?  

 

Where do you draw the line?  

 

Write us a decision that addresses the issues.  I'll wait. 

 

And always remember, there's more than one way to skin a cat. If the court says the Alien Enemies Act does not apply, do you really think the Trump team won't take a different approach?  

7 hours ago, jas007 said:

Off the top of my head, my guess is that you don't understand the nature of a temporary injunction or why such an order would be issued.  

 

And yes, what the court did was not out of line with what anyone would expect, including me.   Go do your homework and come back when you understand why that is so. 

 

You keep getting in over your head on topics you don't really understand. 

I'm the one who doesn't understand. You are the party who wrote this:

"Fifteen million illegal aliens in the USA and each and every one of those people is entitled to a due process hearing with full appeal rights?  Imagine how silly that is."

In fact, as already pointed out, the issues raised by the Venezuelan deportation have no bearing on the vast majority of illegal aliens. The issue in question concerns the legitmacy of deporting people who were in the US legally and/or deporting people not back to their countries but to a foreign prison where the US has no jurisdiction 

Nothing at all to do with most illegal aliens.

7 hours ago, placeholder said:

I'm the one who doesn't understand. You are the party who wrote this:

"Fifteen million illegal aliens in the USA and each and every one of those people is entitled to a due process hearing with full appeal rights?  Imagine how silly that is."

In fact, as already pointed out, the issues raised by the Venezuelan deportation have no bearing on the vast majority of illegal aliens. The issue in question concerns the legitmacy of deporting people who were in the US legally and/or deporting people not back to their countries but to a foreign prison where the US has no jurisdiction 

Nothing at all to do with most illegal aliens.

You need to make some effort to understand the factors a court will typically weigh in determining whether a temporary injunction is appropriate.  And if such an order is issued, why such an order is not a decision on the merits.  

 

The issues are not the same.  So, look it all up, try to understand, and try again. 

11 minutes ago, jas007 said:

You need to make some effort to understand the factors a court will typically weigh in determining whether a temporary injunction is appropriate.  And if such an order is issued, why such an order is not a decision on the merits.  

 

The issues are not the same.  So, look it all up, try to understand, and try again. 

 

11 minutes ago, jas007 said:

 

You need to move along as your just regurgitating the same nonsense over and over expecting a different result. Its not coming dude.

 

The injunction was issued and its a set back simple and clear. I said that multiple times along with the fact it would be moved on in another court and may not hold. Try using some comprehensive reading skills and stop beating your dead horse argument. Your time on this topic is done as you cant seem to get out if your own way. Good bye

5 minutes ago, Dan O said:

The injunction was issued and its a set back simple and clear. I said that multiple times along with the fact it would be moved on in another court and may not hold. Try using some comprehensive reading skills and stop beating your dead horse argument. Your time on this topic is done as you cant seem to get out if your own way. Good bye

Changing your tune all of a sudden?

 

First you made it seem as though "the people" had spoken and the constitution was clear.  

 

Now you change your tune.  

 

And for what it's worth, "the people" elected Donald Trump and that very same Donald Trump has a constitutional duty to conduct US foreign policy.  And that's exactly what he's trying to do. 

 

I'm willing to wait for a final court ruling.  Maybe you should consider doing that as well, before you make yourself look any more ridiculous. 

I was taught to only us the word AN when the first letter of the following word was a vowel, or sometimes a noun beginning with an H. eg an hotel or hospital, but not hero.

But that's up int' North where Hs are mostly dropped.

5 minutes ago, KannikaP said:

I was taught to only us the word AN when the first letter of the following word was a vowel, or sometimes a noun beginning with an H. eg an hotel, but not hero.

But that's up int' North where Hs are mostly dropped.

Thank the website spell correction feature

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Thank the website spell correction feature

You mean Incorrection feature. Do you not read what you've typed before hitting Submit.

Let's try it.   Trump gets A Deportation Set-back.

So once again, the left will fight tooth and nail to stop Trump from doing the will of the people, and then they’ll blame Trump for not getting it done. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So one again, the left will fight tooth and nail to stop Trump from doing the will of the people, and then they’ll blame Trump for not getting it done. 

 

 

The will of what people? Apart from abortion, Trump is pretty much carrying out the plans of project 2025. During his campaign, when public reaction became clear,  he was lukewarm on it to say the least. 

So he may be carrying out the will of hardcore trumpists, but not the rest of Americans.

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The will of what people? Apart from abortion, Trump is pretty much carrying out the plans of project 2025. During his campaign, when public reaction became clear,  he was lukewarm on it to say the least. 

So he may be carrying out the will of hardcore trumpists, but not the rest of Americans.

Sorry. The will of the non-leftist people. 

 

Leftists (you) want the country flooded will illegals, non-leftists (me) do not.

Mr. Trump has so far almost exclusively attempted to do the will-of-the-people via executive order.

Per Wikipedia:
Like both legislative statutes and the regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review and may be overturned if the orders lack support by statute or the Constitution.

17 hours ago, Dan O said:

You quoted multiple time I should read article 2 of the constitution as I didn't understand it. Well I think you are the one that clearly didn't understand  the article your repeatedly told me to read. Try again as your position arguement has no standing

Go back and read again.  And keep in mind that you have to look at the context and the constitutional structure.  Even the US Supreme Court has recognized the president's role in conducting US foreign policy. United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. (1936). 

 

It's well settled law at this point.  

 

Of course, if you think you can make an argument that the power to conduct U.S foreign policy should rest with any random federal district court judge, I'll wait. 

8 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Mr. Trump has so far almost exclusively attempted to do the will-of-the-people via executive order.

Per Wikipedia:
Like both legislative statutes and the regulations promulgated by government agencies, executive orders are subject to judicial review and may be overturned if the orders lack support by statute or the Constitution.

 

As it should be.

21 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Dmitri, can you please stop posting drivel from Facebook? It's not a recognized source of hard facts, just like RT.

Needless to say this is a large part of the problem that put Trump into power in the first place. A bunch of people seeking out what they want to be true and finding somebody looking for Facebook, Youtube, Instagram or X likes to give it to them. Anybody with any notion of common sense understands Facebook and most all social media is the last place you look for facts and reliable news.

In a 36-page opinion, U.S. District Judge Fernando Rodriguez in Brownsville, Texas, ruled that the Trump administration exceeded the scope of the Alien Enemies Act by using it to speed up the deportations of alleged members of the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua. The government labels the gang a terrorist organization.
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So, it would seem the Trump admin did not feel they had the authority required WITHOUT invoking the 1789 Act.

37 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

They were removed for being illegal aliens.  That is their due process.

 

The fact they didn’t follow due process when they entered illegally just justifies their removal even more.

 

The fact that illegal alien killers, bangers and rapists are defended by this degree on this forum tell me everything I need to know about the psychology of the left’s mindset.  
 

Demonic is being polite.

WRONG! Everyone gets legal process, citizen or not. 

3 minutes ago, StandardIssue said:

Needless to say this is a large part of the problem that put Trump into power in the first place. A bunch of people seeking out what they want to be true and finding somebody looking for Facebook, Youtube, Instagram or X likes to give it to them. Anybody with any notion of common sense understands Facebook and most all social media is the last place you look for facts and reliable news.

Yes, that most people no longer trust the lying mainstream media is one of the main reasons Trump was able to beat that weak,  lying POC Harris. 

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

WRONG! Everyone gets legal process, citizen or not. 

But not the same legal process. 

 

All of the sudden, the left cares about the law, too funny. 

21 hours ago, Dan O said:

Seems trump got a set back in his deportation

Who'd have him? 😀