must be the alienation by trump

 

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/2099968/panic-us-country-abandoned-tourists/amp
 

“While other nations are rolling out the welcome mat, the US government is putting up the ‘closed’ sign,” warned Julia Simpson, president and CEO of WTTC.

Massive layoffs in Vegas casinos going belly up the tourist obiously + the trump tax is eating up a lot of disposable income.everyone knows the old saying…everything trump touches dies.

Leaving Las Vegas

 

Going to Nasa Vegas

Many members of this forum have mixed race families, as responsible parents why would they put their family at risk by taking them on holiday to the U.S. under the current policies of targeting anyone who ‘looks like’ they might not be a U.S. Citizen?!

 

It’s just not worth the risk, there’s a whole world of safe and welcoming places to visit.

 

20 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Many members of this forum have mixed race families, as responsible parents why would they put their family at risk by taking them on holiday to the U.S. under the current policies of targeting anyone who ‘looks like’ they might not be a U.S. Citizen?!

 

It’s just not worth the risk, there’s a whole world of safe and welcoming places to visit.

 

If a transitory drop in foreign tourism is the price for cleaning up the Biden border disaster (and saving the US taxpayers a couple of hundred $$ billion a year), most voters see it as an unfortunate but necessary price to pay.  It'll come back around as tourists traveling to Europe get stabbed by their asylum seekers.

 

I suggest you watch Cheech's masterpiece Born in East LA if you think it's specific to Trump.  That movie came out 38 years ago.

 

 

 

14 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

must be the alienation by trump

 

https://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/2099968/panic-us-country-abandoned-tourists/amp
 

 

This is Trump's response to the illegal alienation of the USA.

39 minutes ago, impulse said:

If a transitory drop in foreign tourism is the price for cleaning up the Biden border disaster (and saving the US taxpayers a couple of hundred $$ billion a year), most voters see it as an unfortunate but necessary price to pay.  It'll come back around as tourists traveling to Europe get stabbed by their asylum seekers.

 

I suggest you watch Cheech's masterpiece Born in East LA if you think it's specific to Trump.  That movie came out 38 years ago.

 

 

 

Sure. The rest of world is going to be hungering to visit the USA after Trump declares economic warfare on them. But keep on invoking irrelevancies.

I never understood the attraction to go to the U.S. as a tourist.  U.S. is very expensive place to visit.

New York is way too crowded and super expensive.  A ticket to Disneyland can run almost $300.  Plus the high cost of hotels and food.

It is way too expensive for nomads or even middle class families now.

Places like San Francisco and L.A. use to be pretty good now, they seem ruined.

I guess the best thing about it is the national parks.

 

 

Off topic trolling post removed @impulse

5 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I never understood the attraction to go to the U.S. as a tourist.  U.S. is very expensive place to visit.

New York is way too crowded and super expensive.  A ticket to Disneyland can run almost $300.  Plus the high cost of hotels and food.

It is way too expensive for nomads or even middle class families now.

Places like San Francisco and L.A. use to be pretty good now, they seem ruined.

I guess the best thing about it is the national parks.

 

 

 

Yes, the only real attraction I see is the National parks......whilst they last???

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Massive layoffs in Vegas casinos going belly up the tourist obiously + the trump tax is eating up a lot of disposable income.everyone knows the old saying…everything trump touches dies.

Off topic I know, but he, his sons, and his cronies the Witkoff family  might have finally hit the lodestone with his latest  grift, the USD1 aka Trump stable coin.

I expect they will all become extremely rich in the very near future.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Many members of this forum have mixed race families, as responsible parents why would they put their family at risk by taking them on holiday to the U.S. under the current policies of targeting anyone who ‘looks like’ they might not be a U.S. Citizen?!

 

It’s just not worth the risk, there’s a whole world of safe and welcoming places to visit.

 

Because you're flat out lying.
Asking for documentation is a normal thing to do, not something new.

Thats your opinion

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Many members of this forum have mixed race families, as responsible parents why would they put their family at risk by taking them on holiday to the U.S. under the current policies of targeting anyone who ‘looks like’ they might not be a U.S. Citizen?!

 

It’s just not worth the risk, there’s a whole world of safe and welcoming places to visit.

 

 

One of my kids had a trip booked before all this kicked off........scrubbed her online stuff as best she could and bought a new phone......how sad it that?

27 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

Places like San Francisco and L.A. use to be pretty good now, they seem ruined.

 

San Fran has their very own poopers.

 

People who tish on the pavements.

31 minutes ago, bkk6060 said:

I never understood the attraction to go to the U.S. as a tourist.  U.S. is very expensive place to visit.

New York is way too crowded and super expensive.  A ticket to Disneyland can run almost $300.  Plus the high cost of hotels and food.

It is way too expensive for nomads or even middle class families now.

Places like San Francisco and L.A. use to be pretty good now, they seem ruined.

I guess the best thing about it is the national parks.

Depends on how much you have. Many people in the USA don't consider $300 that much. It's not unusual to meet millionaires in the San Francisco area and it's not a big deal.

It may be that people can't be bothered by the hassle. 

Two German girls, with passports and ESTA registration, strip searched and deported recently for not making advance hotel bookings. She Who Must be Obeyed and myself have travelled to a few countries, like Egypt, without booking accommodation in advance and have never been asked about this.

When people are arrested upon entry the word gets out.

46 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

One of my kids had a trip booked before all this kicked off........scrubbed her online stuff as best she could and bought a new phone......how sad it that?

 

I know exactly what she's going through.

 

I sold off everything back in '05 and moved to China to attend university.   Yeah, I'd read all the western propaganda about the stormtroopers on the street and life in a police state, so sanitized anything in my email or laptop or clothing that made any reference to prior military or DOD contracting.

 

So surprised when I got there and realized it was just a normal place with normal people doing normal things.  No jackbooted thugs banging on your door at night, no search of phone or laptop or suitcases at airports or land borders.  No masked agents demanding "Papiere, bitte!"  Gosh, I wasn't even waterboarded!  How cool is that!

Just now, NoDisplayName said:

 

I know exactly what she's going through.

 

I sold off everything back in '05 and moved to China to attend university.   Yeah, I'd read all the western propaganda about the stormtroopers on the street and life in a police state, so sanitized anything in my email or laptop or clothing that made any reference to prior military or DOD contracting.

 

So surprised when I got there and realized it was just a normal place with normal people doing normal things.  No jackbooted thugs banging on your door at night, no search of phone or laptop or suitcases at airports or land borders.  No masked agents demanding "Papiere, bitte!"  Gosh, I wasn't even waterboarded!  How cool is that!

 

 

You must have been gutted.

I am not going. I would not subject my wife to that and I am not letting them perform illegal searches on me. DJT is a criminal and what he is doing to the country and the world is unconscionable.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

I suggest you watch Cheech's masterpiece Born in East LA

Mmmmm. Yeah, that´s a very serious and reliable person.
 https://dkanut5j171nq.cloudfront.net/catalogue-images/ti112401.jpg

With all the nice things the president is saying about US cities who would not want to visit them?  

 

9 minutes ago, Gottfrid said:

Mmmmm. Yeah, that´s a very serious and reliable person.
 https://dkanut5j171nq.cloudfront.net/catalogue-images/ti112401.jpg

 

He was poking fun at Migra for deporting the wrong people.  That was 1987.

 

I was getting pulled over by CBP 75 miles from the Texas border back in the '80s when I worked in South Texas.

 

Look up Civil Aset Forfeiture, which is an abuse of the 4th Amendment.  It started on a massive scale in 2015.

 

None of the jackbooted policies started under Trump.  They've been going on for decades.  But the MSM didn't bother reporting on them until they could damage the Bad Orange Man.

 

Also had some freinds that  were goign to go to the States in december,have now cancelled as they feel it is not worth the hassle anymore.

24 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

He was poking fun at Migra for deporting the wrong people.  That was 1987.

 

I was getting pulled over by CBP 75 miles from the Texas border back in the '80s when I worked in South Texas.

 

Look up Civil Aset Forfeiture, which is an abuse of the 4th Amendment.  It started on a massive scale in 2015.

 

None of the jackbooted policies started under Trump.  They've been going on for decades.  But the MSM didn't bother reporting on them until they could damage the Bad Orange Man.

 

You've got it pretty much dead wrong. In fact, 2015 was the year that the Obama administration put the brakes on its use by the Feds.

Here's a summary from Chatgpt:

• 2015: What happened was not the beginning of large-scale forfeiture, but rather a major policy change and backlash:

  • In January 2015, then–Attorney General Eric Holder restricted the federal “adoption” program, where state and local police could seize assets under federal law (even if state law was stricter) and then keep a large share through “equitable sharing.” This program had fueled widespread forfeiture.

  • Around this time, public awareness and investigative reporting (e.g., Washington Post’s “Stop and Seize” series in 2014) brought national attention to the scale of forfeitures.

So, to answer directly: civil asset forfeiture was already massive long before 2015, but 2015 marked a turning point in public debate and some federal limits on its scope.

 

In other words, Thanks, Obama.

 

I do agree that it's a violation of the 4th amendment.

And by the way, it's generally been liberal justices who have voted to restrict that power. Right wing justices, like the kind that Trump appoints, just love them that jackboot.

6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So, to answer directly: civil asset forfeiture was already massive long before 2015, but 2015 marked a turning point in public debate and some federal limits on its scope.

 

In other words, Thanks, Obama.

 

That's why I said it started on a massive scale in 2015.  You're right.  It has been going on for longer. 

 

But the MSM didn't care...  Until it reflected badly on Trump.

 

BTW, In January, 2025, the Trump DOJ announced an end to the "equitable sharing" program.  I don't claim to know what that exactly entails, but it sounds like a step in the right direction.  I'm sure it'll be fought out in the courts.

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

That's why I said it started on a massive scale in 2015.  You're right.  It has been going on for longer. 

 

But the MSM didn't care...  Until it reflected badly on Trump.

 

BTW, In January, 2025, the Trump DOJ announced an end to the "equitable sharing" program.  I don't claim to know what that exactly entails, but it sounds like a step in the right direction.  I'm sure it'll be fought out in the courts.

I'm going to quote from my previous comment:

"So, to answer directly: civil asset forfeiture was already massive long before 2015, but 2015 marked a turning point in public debate and some federal limits on its scope. "

Asset forfeiture is off topic, but it has been getting dismantled everywhere as a due process violation.

3 hours ago, impulse said:

If a transitory drop in foreign tourism is the price for cleaning up the Biden border disaster (and saving the US taxpayers a couple of hundred $$ billion a year), most voters see it as an unfortunate but necessary price to pay.  It'll come back around as tourists traveling to Europe get stabbed by their asylum seekers.

Wow, that sounds serious! Have you got a link to the number of American tourists that have been stabbed by asylum seekers in the EU for the last 10 years or so?

Because if the number is insignificant (≈0) I'm gonna have to conclude that you're just another pearl clutcher.

Are you a pearl clutcher, buddy?

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

I never understood the attraction to go to the U.S. as a tourist.  U.S. is very expensive place to visit.

New York is way too crowded and super expensive.  A ticket to Disneyland can run almost $300.  Plus the high cost of hotels and food.

It is way too expensive for nomads or even middle class families now.

Places like San Francisco and L.A. use to be pretty good now, they seem ruined.

I guess the best thing about it is the national parks.

 

 

Indeed, especially after all those pesky park rangers have been fired!