25 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

Minnesota...

It's strange to see that they elected Tim Walz as governor. 

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

You're right, not guilty yet from a jury but it is  assumed known that he is the killer.

Who by?  No court has found anyone guilty of the alleged crime!

It is all speculation until proven in a court of law!

3 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Who by?  No court has found anyone guilty of the alleged crime!

It is all speculation until proven in a court of law!

Alleged crime? Scotty, are you saying that Kirk was not shot, or that the shooting was legal? 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

You really have no idea about this either, do you Scotty? 

What a brilliantly pointless and useless response as usual from you!

Please do better next time and try and stay on topic if at all possible!

1 hour ago, TedG said:

What is hateful about MAGA ideology?

Everything about your messiah and its blind brainless goon followers for a start!

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Alleged crime? Scotty, are you saying that Kirk was not shot, or that the shooting was legal? 

He just can't face facts. The only way they can cope is to knowingly and falsely assert it was a MAGA shooter, or the old Booorrrrriiiinnnggg we are so beyond discussing Kirks passing. Clearly a cult btw

 

5 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Everything about your messiah and its blind brainless goon followers for a start!

Be specific for once. 

15 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

Hate speech from people like you influenced the assassin.

Opposing fascism isn't hate speech.

Just now, TedG said:

Be specific for once. 

TRUMP!

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Opposing fascism isn't hate speech.

Where is the fascism that you oppose?  

4 minutes ago, DezLez said:

TRUMP!

How so?

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

How so?

Is that a Japanese greeting?

 

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

No, he wasn't a horrible person just because his politics differ from yours. 

 

Its entirely possible for people to have different beliefs without making them 'horrible'... to state such a thing implies the person making such a statement themself is somewhat distasteful themself.

 

Additionally, only the dim-witted are inclined to make such a sweeping statement of a person who has debated many topics, surely we, you, others, don't disagree with everything Charlie Kirk debated - many of his opinions were sound, others wholly objectionable. 

 

This idea that you are either 'with him' or 'against him' and that makes him 'good' or 'bad' (horrible) is fundamentally flawed and intellectually dishonest.

 

 

 

How many times has Trump used the word "horrible" to publicly describe political opponents, interviewers and anyone else who takes the piss out of his hopeless need for blind adulation and unshakeable sycophancy?

 

After all, '... to state such a thing implies the person making such a statement themself is somewhat distasteful themself."

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It is, therefore, fundamentally flawed to label someone as a “horrible person” simply because others disagree with them.

That is the very essence of how the leftists operate ,  

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8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Just taking, for example, Charlie Kirk’s stance on affirmative action. The video circulated by JT selectively cherry-picks “sound bites” that, on first viewing, may appear racist or bigoted. Yet, upon closer examination of his full arguments, there is substantive reasoning behind his position.

 

Kirk’s central point revolves around the principle of meritocracy. In fields where competence can be a matter of life and death- such as piloting an aircraft or performing surgery - positions should be earned solely on skill, experience, and ability.

 

Suggesting that companies or institutions fill a set number of positions based on demographic criteria - whether race, gender, or ethnicity - risks undermining meritocracy. This approach can result in highly qualified individuals being overlooked in favour of meeting quotas, which may compromise performance in critical roles.

 

Ultimately, when we entrust our lives to professionals, we want confidence that they are chosen for their capabilities and expertise, not because they benefited from preferential treatment. Affirmative action, while aiming to correct historical inequities, raises difficult questions about balancing diversity goals with ensuring the most qualified individuals occupy roles where precision and competence are non-negotiable.

 

 

Holding opinions like these does not make Charlie Kirk a nasty or malicious person. What is troubling - and intellectually dishonest - is the selective use of his comments: taking remarks out of context and presenting isolated sound-bites designed to manipulate the optics of his statements.

 

This approach distorts the substance of his arguments and paints a misleading picture of his character. True critique engages with ideas in their full context; misrepresentation is simply nastiness masquerading as analysis.

 

 

What about this view: "He also lashed out at the gay community, denouncing what he called the “LGBTQ agenda,” expressing opposition to same-sex marriage and suggesting that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-political-views-guns-lgbt-trump-b2824580.html

2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

What about this view: "He also lashed out at the gay community, denouncing what he called the “LGBTQ agenda,” expressing opposition to same-sex marriage and suggesting that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/charlie-kirk-political-views-guns-lgbt-trump-b2824580.html

Why is it all cut up?

 

Why is it not one continuous quotation? 

 

Why is the source material not linked to in the article you linked to? 

 

Oh, it was a leftist hit piece, that's what I thought. 

 

When Obama said that marriage should be between a man, and a woman, and that God should be in the mix, the left worshiped and reelected him. 

 

When Charlie Kirk said that marriage should be between a man, and a woman, and that God should be in the mix, he was killed for it, and the left celebrated the killing. 

 

I only just barely knew about the guy before.  Didn't realize what a horrible hate merchant he was until now.

10 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

He just can't face facts. The only way they can cope is to knowingly and falsely assert it was a MAGA shooter, or the old Booorrrrriiiinnnggg we are so beyond discussing Kirks passing. Clearly a cult btw

The three defining marks of a cult
are a charismatic leader,
coercive persuasion,
and exploitation of members.

The left has no such leader—agree?

Meanwhile, your side kisses his <deleted> daily.

If any movement deserves the cult label,
it’s MAGA—case closed.

49 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

How many times has Trump used the word "horrible" to publicly describe political opponents

That's the best way to describe Democrats. 

3 minutes ago, TedG said:

That's the best way to describe Democrats. 

How have Democrats been describing Trump and his supporters? 

6 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

The three defining marks of a cult
are a charismatic leader,
coercive persuasion,
and exploitation of members.

The left has no such leader—agree?

Meanwhile, your side kisses his a*** daily.

If any movement deserves the cult label,
it’s MAGA—case closed.

 

Characteristics of Fascism.  Top 3 are a slam dunk

 

1. Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes.

 

2. Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies.

 

3. Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood.

 

4. White Replacement “Theory” used to show that democratic ideals of freedom and equality are a threat. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious.

 

5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.

 

6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders.

 

7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites. Fascists arm people and justify and glorify violence as “redemptive”.

 

8. Rampant sexism.

 

9. Control of mass media and undermining “truth”.

 

10. Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack.

 

11. Religion and government are intertwined.

 

12. Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed.

 

13. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the fascist narrative.

 

14. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence.

 

15. Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state. 16. Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict.

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How have Democrats been describing Trump and his supporters? 

As the worst people on the planet. 

11 hours ago, LosLobo said:

The three defining marks of a cult
are a charismatic leader,
coercive persuasion,
and exploitation of members.

The left has no such leader—agree?

Meanwhile, your side kisses his a*** daily.

If any movement deserves the cult label,
it’s MAGA—case closed.

 

Both sides are cults.

Democrats are proof that you don't even need a charismatic leader to be in a cult. 

 

 

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

 

Both sides are cults.

Democrats are proof that you don't even need a charismatic leader to be in a cult. 

 

Obama would like to chat with you. 

14 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

When Charlie Kirk said that marriage should be between a man, and a woman, and that God should be in the mix, he was killed for it, and the left celebrated the killing. 

 

He agreed with a statement from the bible that says kill homosexuals. Which is idiotic and in doing so, shows he is a nasty piece of work. Isn't a reason to be killed though.

1 hour ago, TedG said:

Be specific for once. 

Try doing that truthfully yourself for once for a change!

1 minute ago, FritsSikkink said:

He agreed with a statement from the bible that says kill homosexuals. Which is idiotic and in doing so, shows he is a nasty piece of work. Isn't a reason to be killed though.

Why is the quote all cut up?

 

Why is it not one continuous quotation? 

 

Why is the source material not linked to in the article you linked to? 

 

Oh, it was a leftist hit piece, that's what I thought. 

 

When Obama said that marriage should be between a man, and a woman, and that God should be in the mix, the left worshiped and reelected him. 

 

When Charlie Kirk said that marriage should be between a man, and a woman, and that God should be in the mix, he was killed for it, and the left celebrated the killing. 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Why is the quote all cut up?

 

Why is it not one continuous quotation? 

 

Why is the source material not linked to in the article you linked to? 

 

Oh, it was a leftist hit piece, that's what I thought. 

 

When Obama said that marriage should be between a man, and a woman, and that God should be in the mix, the left worshiped and reelected him. 

 

When Charlie Kirk said that marriage should be between a man, and a woman, and that God should be in the mix, he was killed for it, and the left celebrated the killing. 

Repeating BS doesn't change anything

11 hours ago, TedG said:

 

Obama would like to chat with you. 

 

Good point. Obama was a typical cult leader persona. Mastered the art of the gab. Very charismatic.

But once you belong to a specific party, the next guy can be "Night of the Living Dead" and it won't matter.