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1 hour ago, mogandave said:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

Lots of similarities  VP Biden and John Bolton . Ghost writer for Biden (Bolton shared with family), Having  Classified docs, Sharing them.The so called Prosecutor Hur  GOP member under the  Biden's DOJ's thumb.

 

Unauthorized keeping of Classified docs,Keeping notes, with classified info, both committed violations to the espionage act(willful retention) and finally storing in a unsecure place. Bolton gets 18 count indictment ,Biden gets  "a jury would likely find  Biden to be a "sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory", treatment. Biden during the time was VP and no mention of his mental acuity  at the time of his violations.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/10/17/us-news/john-bolton-surrenders-to-authorities-after-indictment-over-mishandling-classified-information/

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

 

 

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I value lack of respect from the likes of you and any and all under the dark spell of the maga cult 

 

I'm not MAGA. I just value competence. 

 

I would be utterly embarrassed from my life to admit I voted for Harris. She will never again serve in any public office because she doesn't deserve it and never did.  Moronic DEI hire. To go down in history as these stupidest vice president that ever served. 

 

That's a reflection on you

12 minutes ago, riclag said:

Lots of similarities  VP Biden and John Bolton . Ghost writer for Biden (Bolton shared with family), Having  Classified docs, Sharing them.The so called Prosecutor Hur  GOP member under the  Biden's DOJ's thumb.

 

Unauthorized keeping of Classified docs,Keeping notes, with classified info, both committed violations to the espionage act(willful retention) and finally storing in a unsecure place. Bolton gets 18 count indictment ,Biden gets  "a jury would likely find  Biden to be a "sympathetic, well-meaning, elderly man with a poor memory", treatment. Biden during the time was VP and no mention of his mental acuity  at the time of his violations.

 

https://nypost.com/2025/10/17/us-news/john-bolton-surrenders-to-authorities-after-indictment-over-mishandling-classified-information/

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

 

 

So where is it written in the Hurr report that Biden gave classified documents to the ghostwriter? 

What on earth happened to the twee "nobody is above the law" mantra that braying trolls trotted out dozens of times a day when Trump was the target of deranged democrat lawfarers?

 

Sweet sweet karma. Never been so delicious🤣

 

5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

What on earth happened to the twee "nobody is above the law" mantra that braying trolls trotted out dozens of times a day when Trump was the target of deranged democrat lawfarers?

 

Sweet sweet karma. Never been so delicious🤣

 

Please don't stop Mr. Patel,not while you are the head of the FBI and Bondi is in charge of the DOJ.

John Bolton pleads not guilty to criminal charges over allegedly storing and sharing classified information
An indictment returned Thursday accused the former national security adviser of sharing classified information with relatives.

 

Updated: 10/17/2025 01:25 PM EDT -- The involvement of a large volume of classified evidence in the case is likely to complicate the proceedings, attorneys said.

 

Judge Timothy Sullivan said U.S. District Judge Theodore Chuang, an Obama appointee who will oversee the case, has set a status conference for Nov. 21. No trial date was immediately set. *

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/17/john-bolton-pleads-not-guilty-criminal-charges-00613420

 

* per NYTimes: Because the case centers on classified information, it could take at least a year to go to trial, as there are complex pretrial procedures for handling sensitive evidence.

 

So plenty of time to enjoy the sweet karma of an indictment.

_________________________________________

The Wall Street Journal and some political commentators have accused the president of launching a retribution campaign against his political enemies upon his return to the White House.

 

“Mr. Bolton will get his day in court, and we look forward to his defense. In our experience he is a patriot who would do nothing to compromise national security,” the Journal wrote in an editorial. “He never leaked classified information to us. If Mr. Bolton had praised Mr. Trump in his book, it’s safe to say he wouldn’t have been indicted.”

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5561187-raskin-bolton-indictment-trump-revenge/

 

The very unstable man continues his revenge and marches on with his vendetta, instead of governing, instead of improving the nation, he's devoting his time and America's resources to going after his perceived enemies.

 

It's just additional proof that he's the second worst president in history after Buchanan. 

21 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

Totally biased presentation by the prosecution of 'their' facts to a Grand Jury with no rebuttal from the defence is the hard part????

 

What is this kid on?

 

Grand juries almost always indict. A famous saying goes: “A prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich.”

 

According to federal data, over 99% of cases brought before grand juries result in indictments.

 

What is your point? Do you think any prosecutor would attempt to bring a case to the grand jury without significant evidence to show the case should be taken? Any lawyer/prosecutor who did not have sufficient evidence to make a case against someone would be fired or transferred for trying to get a grand jury to hear the case.

3 minutes ago, thesetat said:

Any lawyer/prosecutor who did not have sufficient evidence to make a case against someone would be fired or transferred for trying to get a grand jury to hear the case.

Trump Ally Jeanine Pirro Dealt Major Legal Blow
Published Oct 17, 2025 at 01:20 PM EDT

 

U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia Jeanine Pirro, an ally of President Donald Trump and former Fox News host, faced her latest legal setback after a jury found a woman not guilty of assaulting an FBI agent during an immigration raid.

 

In a statement provided to Newsweek, Pirro wrote, “The jury has spoken and we accept their decision.”

 

Why It Matters
Pirro's office sought to prosecute Sidney Lori Reid for allegedly assaulting an FBI agent during an immigration arrest of alleged gang members over the summer amid the Trump administration's heightened immigration enforcement. But the case proved to be challenging for prosecutors. Her office failed three times to charge Reid with felony assault; it's uncommon for prosecutors to fail to obtain a grand jury indictment. On Thursday, Pirro's office faced another setback when the jury found Reid not guilty on lesser charges.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-ally-jeanine-pirro-dealt-major-legal-blow-10897131

22 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Like Letitia James and Fanni Willis and Jack Smith?

 

No it isnt. You cant name more than one criminal case where that allegation has worked.

 

Lucky for Bolton, the Dems arent in Power, otherwise he would be taken out and shot like the Dems say should be done to all Republicans.

Okay, Clarence Darrow, go ahead and tell us what crimes James, Willis and Smith committed.

 

Also, let's assume for a second---probably falsely---that Bolton did possess classified documents. How is that different from the highly classified documents Trump stole and kept in Mar-a-Lago? No, Trump did not declassify anything, because there is a procedure and a paper trail for declassification, and also Trump moved the documents from the White House and transported them after 12:01pm on 20 January 2021, when he no longer has a security clearance. One more thing...some documents were classified RD, and not even a President can declassify RD documents.

 

The silly AG posted some drivel about "nobody is above the law", which is laughable given what her boss got away with. Stealing documents, trying to force a State SecState to commit voter fraud, fomenting insurrection on 6 January 2021......Trump is a career criminal and deserving of jail time, if justice was actually served.

10 minutes ago, thesetat said:

What is your point? Do you think any prosecutor would attempt to bring a case to the grand jury without significant evidence to show the case should be taken? Any lawyer/prosecutor who did not have sufficient evidence to make a case against someone would be fired or transferred for trying to get a grand jury to hear the case.

I guess you mean like SC Jack Smith, Fanni Willis, and Letitia James.

33 minutes ago, Wingate said:

Letitia James.

NYState AG James' case against then former President Trump was a civil case.

 

No Grand Jury.

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

What on earth happened to the twee "nobody is above the law" mantra that braying trolls trotted out dozens of times a day when Trump was the target of deranged democrat lawfarers?

 

Sweet sweet karma. Never been so delicious🤣

 

Wonderful that you've finally found some small nugget of meaning in your life, sad as that makes you, but I don't think anyone is arguing Bolton is above the law. Of course we know Trump is above the law, as the stolen documents case (which should have put him behind bars for life and has seriously jeopardized national security in ways I doubt you are capable of understanding), the insurrection he fomented on 6 January 2021, his attempt to have the SecState of Georgia commit voter fraud, etc.

 

What is interesting in the Bolton case is that the emails being used to justify the indictment came to light because the Iranians hacked Bolton's email back in 2021. Bolton is no friend of Democrats, yet the Biden Administration knew about the hacked emails and saw no reason to indict Bolton. Per the Biden DoJ, Bolton had not broken any law. We'll see in court if the Biden DoJ was correct.

 

One suspects Trump's attack dog Bondi saw the file history of of the Iranian hack of Bolton's email, and decided they could use that to go after another of Trump's personal enemies.  THAT is true weaponization of justice, unlike the 100% legitimate investigation of the Trump stolen documents, insurrection, voter fraud, etc.. I don't know how intelligent Bondi or any remaining Doj prosecutors are---since so many were fired for doing their jobs re 6 January 2021, Epstein and other inconvenient truths---but I suspect anyone who knows the law really doesn't expect any convictions. The point is intimidation, not upholding the law.

1 hour ago, Wingate said:

Okay, Clarence Darrow, go ahead and tell us what crimes James, Willis and Smith committed.

 

Also, let's assume for a second---probably falsely---that Bolton did possess classified documents. How is that different from the highly classified documents Trump stole and kept in Mar-a-Lago? No, Trump did not declassify anything, because there is a procedure and a paper trail for declassification, and also Trump moved the documents from the White House and transported them after 12:01pm on 20 January 2021, when he no longer has a security clearance. One more thing...some documents were classified RD, and not even a President can declassify RD documents.

 

The silly AG posted some drivel about "nobody is above the law", which is laughable given what her boss got away with. Stealing documents, trying to force a State SecState to commit voter fraud, fomenting insurrection on 6 January 2021......Trump is a career criminal and deserving of jail time, if justice was actually served.

Your hysteria is palpable.

You dont think the folks you mentioned committed any crimes? No morgage fraud? 

I've been thoroughly enjoying the montages of Bolton going off on Trump and demanding he be jailed for almost the same thing Bolton just got caught doing.  The difference, of course, being that Trump was President and had the authority to declassify whatever-the-hell he wanted to.  They've got Bolton dead to rights.  He wasn't authorized.

2 hours ago, thesetat said:

What is your point? Do you think any prosecutor would attempt to bring a case to the grand jury without significant evidence to show the case should be taken? Any lawyer/prosecutor who did not have sufficient evidence to make a case against someone would be fired or transferred for trying to get a grand jury to hear the case.

 

DOH!!!

 

So why was 'he' saying that was the most difficult part.....read before posting utter nonsense.

 

 

 

 

15 hours ago, candide said:

So where is it written in the Hurr report that Biden gave classified documents to the ghostwriter? 

You sure SC Hur didn't report Biden shared classified documents with his ghostwriter? Have you read the report, maybe even the first few pages. Probably not. 

 

Maybe take a look at p. 3 of the Executive Summary (see attached below)

 

• Report of the Special Counsel on the Investigation Into Unauthorized Removal, Retention, and Disclosure of Classified Documents Discovered at Locations Including the Penn Biden Center and the Delaware Private Residence of President Joseph R. Biden, Jr.

 

SC Hur even said *"there’s ‘evidence’ Biden kept classified documents for $8 million book deal"   

 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

* https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2916089/robert-hur-says-evidence-biden-kept-classified-documents-book-deal/

3 hours ago, impulse said:

I've been thoroughly enjoying the montages of Bolton going off on Trump and demanding he be jailed for almost the same thing Bolton just got caught doing.  The difference, of course, being that Trump was President and had the authority to declassify whatever-the-hell he wanted to.  They've got Bolton dead to rights.  He wasn't authorized.

Which is why the whole situation is so beautiful (exactly the same with Letitia James😅). No surprise it is causing an incredibly salty response from those that loved the FA but can't handle the FO like old 88 above.

19 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

20 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

and the result of his prosecution was what?

Judge Aileen Cannon threw out the case based on her saying Special Consul Smith was not a valid appointment.

 

Nothing to do with the boxes.

So a dismissal. irrelevant on what it was based.    And he was a Special Counsel, not a Special Consul.

44 minutes ago, illisdean said:

15 hours ago, candide said:

So where is it written in the Hurr report that Biden gave classified documents to the ghostwriter? 

You sure SC Hur didn't report Biden shared classified documents with his ghostwriter? Have you read the report, maybe even the first few pages. Probably not. 

 

The weasel word is "gave".  Biden let him read classified information and take notes.  But he had to leave the documents behind. 

 

So, no.  Biden didn't "give" classified documents to the ghostwriter.  But that's still a violation, especially given that Biden at the time had never been President and wasn't authorized to release that classified information like Trump was.

 

 

1 hour ago, illisdean said:

You sure SC Hur didn't report Biden shared classified documents with his ghostwriter? Have you read the report, maybe even the first few pages. Probably not. 

 

Maybe take a look at p. 3 of the Executive Summary (see attached below)

 

• Report of the Special Counsel on the Investigation Into Unauthorized Removal, Retention, and Disclosure of Classified Documents Discovered at Locations Including the Penn Biden Center and the Delaware Private Residence of President Joseph R. Biden, Jr.

 

SC Hur even said *"there’s ‘evidence’ Biden kept classified documents for $8 million book deal"   

 

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report-from-special-counsel-robert-k-hur-february-2024.pdf

* https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2916089/robert-hur-says-evidence-biden-kept-classified-documents-book-deal/

Thank you for proving me right! 🤣🤣🤣

 

It's not written that he gave classified documents to the ghost writer!

 

@SunnyinBangrakIt's also not written that the ghost writer gave money to Biden (for documents Biden did not give him) 🤣🤣🤣

38 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

The weasel word is "gave".  Biden let him read classified information and take notes.  But he had to leave the documents behind. 

 

So, no.  Biden didn't "give" classified documents to the ghostwriter.  But that's still a violation, especially given that Biden at the time had never been President and wasn't authorized to release that classified information like Trump was.

 

 

No. According to the Hurr report, Biden read parts of his note book (a kind of diary), which included mixed personal and professional information (some of it classified), in order to provide context. No classified information was published in the book (which was about Beau).

 

Coming back to the origin of the discussion, contrary to a popular MAGA lie, no one gave money to Biden to get classified information! Biden did not sell classified information or documents! 🤣🤣🤣

 

Concerning your conclusion, according to the PRA, Presidents are not allowed to keep Presidential records after the end of their mandate, they must all give them to NARA. 

 

The big difference between the two cases, according  to Hurr, is that Trump has shown clear intent, by refusing to give them back, by hiding them, and by lying about it! 🤣

 

From the Hurr report:

Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified 
documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According 
to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but 
he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about 
it. In contrast, Mr. Biden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and 
the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his 
homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the 
investigation.

6 minutes ago, candide said:

No. According to the Hurr report, Biden read parts of his note book (a kind of diary), which included mixed personal and professional information (some of it classified), in order to provide context. No classified information was published in the book (which was about Beau).

 

Coming back to the origin of the discussion, contrary to a popular MAGA lie, no one gave money to Biden to get classified information! Biden did not sell classified information or documents! 🤣🤣🤣

 

Concerning your conclusion, according to the PRA, Presidents are not allowed to keep Presidential records after the end of their mandate, they must all give them to NARA. 

 

The big difference between the two cases, according  to Hurr, is that Trump has shown clear intent, by refusing to give them back, by hiding them, and by lying about it! 🤣

So this is "good" illegal & dangerous sharing of classified documents? Credibility & integrity - some among us lost it long long ago.

Stick to one standard and apply it to all. Better than being left scrambling to concoct dog ate my homework bs🤣

3 hours ago, impulse said:

I've been thoroughly enjoying the montages of Bolton going off on Trump and demanding he be jailed for almost the same thing Bolton just got caught doing.  The difference, of course, being that Trump was President and had the authority to declassify whatever-the-hell he wanted to.  They've got Bolton dead to rights.  He wasn't authorized.

The International left have no clue ! The "Office of the President" has/had royal powers(declassify whatever/ whenever)The young lads( Founding fathers) envisioned  the powers based on a King, 47 times this has been acted out. The International left who hate our country never and never will recognize any  Presidency or Paper(Constitution) born centuries ago that is ruled on with a strict interpretation of the original context.

 

,https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv11hprfg

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So this is "good" illegal & dangerous sharing of classified documents? Credibility & integrity - some among us lost it long long ago.

Stick to one standard and apply it to all. Better than being left scrambling to concoct dog ate my homework bs🤣

According to the Hurr report: 🤣

 

"We conclude the evidence is not sufficient to convict, and we decline to 
recommend prosecution of Mr. Biden for his retention of the classified Afghanistan 
documents."

 

BTW, it's you who claimed that Biden "sold" classified information. According to the Hurr report, it was a lie! 🤣

1 minute ago, riclag said:

The International left have no clue ! The "Office of the President" has/had royal powers(declassify whatever/ whenever)The young lads( Founding fathers) envisioned  the powers based on a King, 47 times this has been acted out. The International left who hate our country never and never will recognize any  Presidency or Paper(Constitution) born centuries ago that is ruled on with a strict interpretation of the original context.

 

,https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv11hprfg

Even funnier, if the President cant handle classified docs then who is the higher authority? Are the nutty left confirming the existence of the deep state they call a conspiracy?

 Either way President Trump had more authority to keep documents than warbird RINO Bolton. 

Just now, candide said:

According to the Hurr report: 🤣

 

"We conclude the evidence is not sufficient to convict, and we decline to 
recommend prosecution of Mr. Biden for his retention of the classified Afghanistan 
documents."

 

BTW, it's you who claimed that Biden "sold" classified information. According to the Hurr report, it was a lie! 🤣

That was because he was clearly senile😅

I think we warned you about that. Did you listen? Er....nope

11 minutes ago, riclag said:

The International left have no clue ! The "Office of the President" has/had royal powers(declassify whatever/ whenever)The young lads( Founding fathers) envisioned  the powers based on a King, 47 times this has been acted out. The International left who hate our country never and never will recognize any  Presidency or Paper(Constitution) born centuries ago that is ruled on with a strict interpretation of the original context.

 

,https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctv11hprfg

Irrelevant. According to the PRA, and ex-President is not allowed to keep Presidential records after they leave. They must give all of them to NARA. That's why Trump was indicted! 🤣🤣🤣

 

According to the Hurr report:

Most notably, after being given multiple chances to return classified 
documents and avoid prosecution, Mr. Trump allegedly did the opposite. According 
to the indictment, he not only refused to return the documents for many months, but 
he also obstructed justice by enlisting others to destroy evidence and then to lie about 
it. In contrast, Mr. Eiden turned in classified documents to the National Archives and 
the Department of Justice, consented to the search of multiple locations including his 
homes, sat for a voluntary interview. and in other ways cooperated with the 
investigation.