Even European Intelligence like the Dutch AIVD and MIVD are not sharing info any longer with the CIA because the White House would share it with their friends in Russia.

3 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Even European Intelligence like the Dutch AIVD and MIVD are not sharing info any longer with the CIA because the White House would share it with their friends in Russia.

Oh really, and where exactly did you get this false information from?

Well, the dutch were never part of the Snake Eyes network.

 

I'm sure the British and Ukrainians are still sharing like there's no tomorrow.

3 minutes ago, novacova said:

Oh really, and where exactly did you get this false information from?

https://nltimes.nl/2025/10/18/dutch-intelligence-services-cut-back-sharing-information-us

13 minutes ago, novacova said:

Oh really, and where exactly did you get this false information from?

The same place where all the assumptions come from.

27 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Even European Intelligence like the Dutch AIVD and MIVD are not sharing info any longer with the CIA

Don't worry they still share intel with Ukraine and Israel.

34 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

https://nltimes.nl/2025/10/18/dutch-intelligence-services-cut-back-sharing-information-us

The Dutch, unfortunately, like many European countries, are more concerned about social issues (Woke) than about their own sovereignty. One of the main issues listed in the (fish wrap) NY Times was that the Dutch government was concerned about "respect for human rights." So the Dutch are concerned that President Trump is upholding the laws of the United States by going after illegal squatters that enter the United States illegally. And I suppose the Dutch are also offended that President Trump also does not support the gender confused tyrannies that are invading women's sports.  

2 minutes ago, dutch boy said:

The Dutch, unfortunately, like many European countries, are more concerned about social issues (Woke) than about their own sovereignty. One of the main issues listed in the (fish wrap) NY Times was that the Dutch government was concerned about "respect for human rights." So the Dutch are concerned that President Trump is upholding the laws of the United States by going after illegal squatters that enter the United States illegally. And I suppose the Dutch are also offended that President Trump also does not support the gender confused tyrannies that are invading women's sports.  

 

 

Hard to imagine any of that impacts on the intelligence services deliberations........it would be a serious worry to all concerned if "woke matters" were determining a nations security policies.

 

 

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

Even European Intelligence like the Dutch AIVD and MIVD are not sharing info any longer with the CIA because the White House would share it with their friends in Russia.

It isn't just liaison relationships that are drying up, as everyone from MI6 to the Japanese NPA no longer trust Trump or his Signal-using braggadocio drunkard SecDef.

 

It is increasingly difficult both to recruit new clandestine assets as well as retain existing ones. When Trump stole all those documents after his first term and took them to his wedding planner facility/country club, it did not go unnoticed that some documents were classified HCS---human clandestine sources---which show the identities of assets. Trump was never entitled to those even as POTUS, so it has to be assumed one of his lackeys he appointed as DNI (Ratcliff or Grennel) gave them to him. DCI Haspel would never have given him anything HCS, as he had no need to know.

 

Anyone who chooses to cooperate with US intelligence---whether a high Russian, Chinese, Iranian or North Korea official, or someone in an international terrorist group like al Qaeda or ISIS---they put their own life as well as the lives of family members on the line. If a President is so reckless and cavalier that he plops boxes with these identities haphazardly around a facility anyone willing to pony up the $200K initiation fee can join (such as Chinese MSS ops officers), that discourages people from taking the chance to cooperate, no matter their original motivation. Russians in particular are avoiding cooperation, and existing assets had to be exfilled, because of Trump, and the belief Trump would share the data with his friend Putin...or sell it, as was his likely intent when he originally stole it.

 

That is not conjecture. It is a combination of fact as well as damage control that intel orgs must take when leaks or exposure are possible. Intel officials, absent any plausible reason why Trump would steal HCS documents, had no choice but to assume Trump's intent was to monetize them.

 

Intel being produced at CIA is now quite poor. It doesn't matter to Trump, of course. He blows up Venezuelan pleasure craft based on the flimsiest of intel, and with the free press now excluded from the Pentagon, nobody will have access (except via unauthorized leaks by true patriots). There's less intel on all US adversaries, whether nation states or terror groups, and even the intel that used to come via liaison (and liaison entities such as MI6, Indian RAW, the BND, etc., have their own clandestine assets) has dried up.

 

Hey, but no problem. Trump is above the law and SecDef is a "warrior".

No worries, the Americans have control through 

 

Back doors at any western phone, operating systems, popular apps, gps, and social media. 

 

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/us-security-agency-spied-merkel-other-top-european-officials-through-danish-2021-05-30/

No longer?🤔

Trump or no Trump....I wouldn't share shhhhh with the scumbag CIA.

No government fully trusts another government. Unless they are utterly ignorant of history.

I think the more important takeaway is that the USA will no longer bend over and take it in the shorts relative to unfettered immigration, unfair trade, defending cheapskate Euros and financing lefty creamy dreams all over the world.

 

Normal people all over the West should be thanking Trump for leading the way.  If he hadn't won 2024, their countries wouldn't be theirs in a generation.

 

2 hours ago, dutch boy said:

The Dutch, unfortunately, like many European countries, are more concerned about social issues (Woke) than about their own sovereignty. One of the main issues listed in the (fish wrap) NY Times was that the Dutch government was concerned about "respect for human rights." So the Dutch are concerned that President Trump is upholding the laws of the United States by going after illegal squatters that enter the United States illegally. And I suppose the Dutch are also offended that President Trump also does not support the gender confused tyrannies that are invading women's sports.  

Non issue

42 minutes ago, impulse said:

I think the more important takeaway is that the USA will no longer bend over and take it in the shorts relative to unfettered immigration, unfair trade, defending cheapskate Euros and financing lefty creamy dreams all over the world.

 

Normal people all over the West should be thanking Trump for leading the way.  If he hadn't won 2024, their countries wouldn't be theirs in a generation.

 

Talking about a whole different thing haven't you noticed? Keep you propaganda to yous!

3 hours ago, Cameroni said:

Well, the dutch were never part of the Snake Eyes network.

 

I'm sure the British and Ukrainians are still sharing like there's no tomorrow.

555 dream on.

4 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

555 dream on.

 

Looks like you're dreaming:

 

No 10 insists it is confident over intelligence sharing with US despite Trump officials' group chat leak

https://news.sky.com/story/no-10-insists-it-is-confident-over-intelligence-sharing-with-us-despite-trump-officials-group-chat-leak-13335573

 

9 minutes ago, bubblegum said:

Talking about a whole different thing haven't you noticed? Keep you propaganda to yous!

 

So, you don't think it's all related?

 

You're the one that started a thread with sheer propaganda.

15 hours ago, impulse said:

I think the more important takeaway is that the USA will no longer bend over and take it in the shorts relative to unfettered immigration, unfair trade, defending cheapskate Euros and financing lefty creamy dreams all over the world.

 

Normal people all over the West should be thanking Trump for leading the way.  If he hadn't won 2024, their countries wouldn't be theirs in a generation.

 

I’ll have what your drinking lol 😂 your deity’s betraying democracy rule of law at every turn lol 😂 heck he’s heading over to grovel to putin soon and beg for forgiveness because he’s not enough of an asset to turn Ukraine over to our enemy…oh boy!!hook line and sinker dude you are hooked my man!

17 hours ago, Will B Good said:

Hard to imagine any of that impacts on the intelligence services deliberations........it would be a serious worry to all concerned if "woke matters" were determining a nations security policies.

A more serious matter if Trump is passing NATO intelligence to his lord and master.

18 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Even European Intelligence like the Dutch AIVD and MIVD are not sharing info any longer with the CIA because the White House would share it with their friends in Russia.

Does anyone really wonder why?