33 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If you were exclusive and she and you both had this pact, and she was with another man, she cheated.

We had a pact. We agreed she would come back. And shortly.

It's still unclear if she is or was with another man in these last 10 days. Though obviously it's highly likely, there's zero real evidence for it.

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

But again, you have no business going into her bank. That's her business. Doing this shows her you don't trust her, and again, that is something people don't like, and she will leave. Either right away, or if her integrity is low, after she gets more money from you and gets bored. Giving her the "chance" to tell the truth shows again you don't trust her.

Under normal circumstances, yes, but given what has transpired in the last 10 days, it is absolutely necessary to check her banking app to see if there was a farang transfer, where she spent money, if she was in Chonburi etc. Yes it's her business, but it affects me directly if she lied or not.

Sure, she won't like it, but if she wants to make things right, if she wants a long term rel, she'll accept it. I've had girls give me their Facebook passwords to make amends.

If she leaves, she leaves. Nothing you can do about it. A woman that loves you doesn't leave.

30 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Money can be sent via Western Union no need to use banking app

Yes, but usually the average farang would send a bank transfer, not a WU. It could happen of course.

And nobody pays for food and drink using WU, which is how you can determine where she actually was these last 10 days.

He oscillates between Red Pill Stoicism and abject groveling. I keep advising: Pick a lane.

But I did meet her, and there is some chemistry between them. It's improbable, but it's there.

I vote for a Starbucks job and English lessons for her. And then let the demented chips fall where they may.

In my own thing, she comes over about every other day for a couple of hours of Christian rolling around in my bed and escalating touching, and then we go across the road to a good Italian restaurant for a long talk.

Jesus has her head in my lap now. It's been 10 days. Whatever. It's not Paris Hilton is calling me. I booked Jhol, Cuisine of Goa for my birthday. It's my second fave restaurant in Bangkok.

Then we go back for a tamer version of the first bout and more talk, then she walks home and sends me baffling emojis. But I think I get the eggplant one.

Can't fault it. A few dozen pages ago, I was saying that I was gagging for a low time commitment, lower still stress, maximum freedom arrangement. Extra bonus: she insists our thing be a secret from the other meetup people.

It was great to meet all of those meet up and other social group people. Siam Society was the best. Go to a lecture on Ayuthaya textiles and get at least two what's apps.

But I love getting off that treadmill.

Just now, Cameroni said:

Yes, but usually the average farang would send a bank transfer, not a WU. It could happen of course.

And nobody pays for food and drink using WU, which is how you can determine where she actually was these last 10 days.

average farang being someone living long term in Thailand

farang here as tourists wouldn't be doing bank transfers

Most people if they wan't to hide their location wouldn't be using cash

I am sure she has been reading and laughing at this thread although I suspect she will need at least a month to read every single post of this thread

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

I've already won.

I had 40 days of emotional, physical and sexual nirvana the likes of which I never experienced in the last 10 years of marriage, with a true baddie.

I never had a baddie, only regular girls really. But a real baddie is something else. Exhilirating.

It helped me to further refine what I'm looking for in women. What's possible. What's out there. Phuket girl trumped all other girls I've met from the TF pool, she was head and shoulders above all of them.

There's a still a chance she may come back. Or it could be that she decides not to. Either way I win. in the latter case she's unreliable and it's better to be shot of unreliable women. In the former case it'll be built better in 2.0.

So I can't lose really.

It's like riding a litre motorcycle full throttle every time you are out, and you can't stop even you know it is a dead end waiting!

Seems you forget you dealing with another human being with a totally different motivation than you! And also a different level when it comes to life existences.

There is time to party and play, and there is times for say enough is enough

21 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I am sure she has been reading and laughing at this thread although I suspect she will need at least a month to read every single post of this thread

That'll be my ultimate revenge if we break up and she was banging someone else. I'll tell her there's a thread about you, read Richard's and Celsius' posts.

Lol.

20 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Seems you forget you dealing with another human being with a totally different motivation than you!

Well, they're not totally different motivations. Human beings are hardwired to seek a partner. She wants it, and I want it. Just like she wants sex and I want sex.

She likes to talk for hours in bed, and I like it.

Sure, there are a few differences. But there are also similarities.

33 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

I vote for a Starbucks job and English lessons for her.

I think that would be an excellent idea. She really needs to improve her English.

Or maybe an obscure Thai tea shop. Less farang.

16 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Or maybe an obscure Thai tea shop. Less farang.

If there even was such a thing as an obscure Thai tea shop in Chiang Mai, it would be full of farangs.

16 minutes ago, Prubangboy said:

If there even was such a thing as an obscure Thai tea shop in Chiang Mai, it would be full of farangs.

So true. I saw it myself in the happier days when the Baddie was here.

45 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Well, they're not totally different motivations. Human beings are hardwired to seek a partner. She wants it, and I want it. Just like she wants sex and I want sex.

She just wants some man to desire her and chase after her because most women are driven by ego. Once they get bored they move on.

3 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

She just wants some man to desire her and chase after her because most women are driven by ego.

They do love that, being chased and desired intensely. So true.

But they also like the man who is the top quality man, who doesn't chase.

Being a woman is an insanity. Everything to do with women doesn't make sense. Everything that has to do with females is insane.

One thing that does strike me about Thai girls is how they view Europe.

They want to go to Switzerland because they think it looks like some TikTok video of a Swiss winter village they saw.

Or to Holland, because they saw a TikTok video of some flower field.

Their view of Europe is totally warped and inaccurate.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

One thing that does strike me about Thai girls is how they view Europe.

They want to go to Switzerland because they think it looks like some TikTok video of a Swiss winter village they saw.

Or to Holland, because they saw a TikTok video of some flower field.

Their view of Europe is totally warped and inaccurate.

Fair but same as Farang view Thailand. 95% of the country is desolate or barely developed, and if that to low standards.

Just now, NorthernRyland said:

Fair but same as Farang view Thailand. 95% of the country is desolate or barely developed, and if that to low standards.

True.

CM girl just published an Insta video of a Chinese woman prepping her Chinese boyfriend to cut out his kidney. To pay for an Iphone 17.

I think I had a very lucky escape with that materialist extremist. Someone has a plan.

46 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

That'll be my ultimate revenge if we break up and she was banging someone else. I'll tell her there's a thread about you, read Richard's and Celsius' posts.

Lol.

This highlights the absurd level of narcissism 'Cameroni the comfortably deluded and conveniently blind' displays. Professor Copium is incapable of recognising that he is the fool here, not the working girl method actress effortlessly playing him. In his mind, the only possible explanation is that he’s clever and she’s mysterious - never that he’s simply being led around by the nose like a feckless fool.

Enter Inspector Confirmation Bias, aka the wannabe Perry Mason, prowling for “evidence” whenever slimmest shred of plausible deniability exists, as though this tawdry farce were unfolding in a courtroom. Behaviour means nothing to him. His ego aggressively over-reads anything vaguely positive while airbrushing away the parade of flashing red flags, their number and size apparently irrelevant.

Meanwhile, this P4P girl - Miss Plausible Deniability herself - keeps him dangling on the hook, and he solemnly informs the world that she must be “intelligent” for doing so. She isn’t. She’s simply acting in character - the learned, muscle-memory behaviour of a working girl who does not care about this sap in the slightest, while Puppy-Eyed Perry hangs on her every syllable like a lovesick Labrador.

He inflates her status with the giddy naivety of a man on his first trip to Asia who hasn’t yet read Private Dancer. He claims she went to university. She didn’t. She attended a bottom-tier institute and dropped out. He claims intelligence where the behaviour is not only unintelligent but aggressively predictable. This isn’t insight; it’s projection. It merely highlights his own catastrophic lack of emotional intelligence within a system that rewards hers. He is blind. Phuket Girl simply does not care.

Still, Forensic Fantasy Cam fancies himself a genius, invoking “forensic accounting” as though he were unravelling a major fraud, when in reality he’s snooping on a cash-in-hand P4P worker operating in the world’s most basic economic model. His naivety is astonishing, his gullibility Olympic-level. When this is pointed out, the mask slips and the full combination of narcissism and nastiness spills out - the wounded ego of a man who thought he was the smartest person in the room.

The simplicity of the situation is overwhelming. Once trust is gone and the questions begin, it’s over. There is no recovery. Captain Plausible Deniability will always suspect her, always monitor her movements, always check her messages, always attempt to control her money. The obnoxiousness of this behaviour cannot be overstated. This isn’t love, affection, or even infatuation. It’s about power, possession, and the pathological need to “win”.

And if The Smiling Invoice ever read this thread - assuming she could be bothered - she’d be laughing uncontrollably at the foolish sap who clung to her words while studiously ignoring her actions, pinning his hopes on the thinnest, most delusional fantasy that somewhere, buried deep beneath the industrial-scale lying, there might be a sliver of truth.

In reality, Professor Copium was never in a romance. He was just another (dis)satisfied customer of the Affection Subscription Model... otherwise known as the GFR (Girl Friend Experience) with a girl who couldn't care less about him.

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

This highlights the absurd level of narcissism 'Cameroni the comfortably deluded and conveniently blind' displays. Professor Copium is incapable of recognising that he is the fool here, not the working girl method actress effortlessly playing him. In his mind, the only possible explanation is that he’s clever and she’s mysterious - never that he’s simply being led around by the nose like a feckless fool.

Enter Inspector Confirmation Bias, aka the wannabe Perry Mason, prowling for “evidence” whenever slimmest shred of plausible deniability exists, as though this tawdry farce were unfolding in a courtroom. Behaviour means nothing to him. His ego aggressively over-reads anything vaguely positive while airbrushing away the parade of flashing red flags, their number and size apparently irrelevant.

Meanwhile, this P4P girl - Miss Plausible Deniability herself - keeps him dangling on the hook, and he solemnly informs the world that she must be “intelligent” for doing so. She isn’t. She’s simply acting in character - the learned, muscle-memory behaviour of a working girl who does not care about this sap in the slightest, while Puppy-Eyed Perry hangs on her every syllable like a lovesick Labrador.

He inflates her status with the giddy naivety of a man on his first trip to Asia who hasn’t yet read Private Dancer. He claims she went to university. She didn’t. She attended a bottom-tier institute and dropped out. He claims intelligence where the behaviour is not only unintelligent but aggressively predictable. This isn’t insight; it’s projection. It merely highlights his own catastrophic lack of emotional intelligence within a system that rewards hers. He is blind. Phuket Girl simply does not care.

Still, Forensic Fantasy Cam fancies himself a genius, invoking “forensic accounting” as though he were unravelling a major fraud, when in reality he’s snooping on a cash-in-hand P4P worker operating in the world’s most basic economic model. His naivety is astonishing, his gullibility Olympic-level. When this is pointed out, the mask slips and the full combination of narcissism and nastiness spills out - the wounded ego of a man who thought he was the smartest person in the room.

The simplicity of the situation is overwhelming. Once trust is gone and the questions begin, it’s over. There is no recovery. Captain Plausible Deniability will always suspect her, always monitor her movements, always check her messages, always attempt to control her money. The obnoxiousness of this behaviour cannot be overstated. This isn’t love, affection, or even infatuation. It’s about power, possession, and the pathological need to “win”.

And if The Smiling Invoice ever read this thread - assuming she could be bothered - she’d be laughing uncontrollably at the foolish sap who clung to her words while studiously ignoring her actions, pinning his hopes on the thinnest, most delusional fantasy that somewhere, buried deep beneath the industrial-scale lying, there might be a sliver of truth.

In reality, Professor Copium was never in a romance. He was just another (dis)satisfied customer of the Affection Subscription Model... otherwise known as the GFR (Girl Friend Experience) with a girl who couldn't care less about him.

Boring!

Finally!

The first phone call from Phuket Girl.

Looks like she's still interested.

Wow lots of interactions again and Cam's words really get berserk.

Facts

Cam threatens her, Cam admitted he do wrong to her

let her erase all contacts , but not for him. He continued to go on with other women and shows her.

What was she thinking, as you showed yourself as a player?

How sick can you be?

You got a warning from her, x bf was texting and she had revenge sex.

You are a dominant player, your feelings arent true. Yes , you can play along, but dont care.

You absolutely didnt want to go with her to visit family, work. Meaning contacting other women.

You admitted, you already have lined up 3 other ones, work.

So be honest then to her and tell her you already have 3 women lined up. Be a man then.

When she comes back, you start an interrogation and she has to answer. You have not the right to do so.

You brought in all insecurities for her ! She gave and you only took. Good boy, NOT!

Again you are selfish and lined up 3 other women, your feelings are a big fake.

Stop with Phuket girl and go on. You are not into her at all. Get your next drama.

39 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Finally!

The first phone call from Phuket Girl.

Looks like she's still interested.

She's interested in one thing... keeping a gullible 'customer' on the hook...

When the 'work' with her current sponsor ends, she then has time to go back to you (Cam) in anticipation of the 25,000 baht you promised.

IF another customer surfaces in the mean time - she will extender her excuses, at the same time remaining extremely vague about where she is, what she is doing.

Its classic mercenary p4p behavior and is obvious and transparent for everyone to see, except for some reason [ego], you.

The 'only' interest she has in you - is as a potential source of income if or when her current income stream expires - your ego blinds to this to the point of making you look foolish.

54 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Finally!

The first phone call from Phuket Girl.

Looks like she's still interested.

Bet it was a voice call and not a video call. Quite possibly had someone hanging out the back of her whilst she called you.

35 minutes ago, Keeps said:

Bet it was a voice call and not a video call. Quite possibly had someone hanging out the back of her whilst she called you.

The standard mathematical gauge of probability is represented as a scale from 0 to 1, where 0 is impossible and 1 is certain. The scale can be expressed in words.. so we have...

Impossible events that cannot occur under any circumstances.

Very Unlikely events have a low probability, a slim chance of them happening.

Unlikely events that are less likely to occur than not.

Even Chance events that are a just as likely to happen as not.

Probable or Likely events that are more expected to happen than not.

Very Likely events have a high probability, a strong expectation of occurrence.

Certain events have are guaranteed to happen.

I think you've been very forgiving using the term possible - lets face it, we're looking at a daily certainty !!!

One hour!!! Great call.

My God, what a load off my broad manly shoulders. Finally this girl called me.

So a few new details:

1. She's not living with an aunt, but a 28 year old woman whom she calls "sister". So this friend of hers convinced her to come to Chonburi, no doubt because that way she could unload half the hotel costs on her, and pay less. She had a car so they drove to Chonburi.

2. The name of the cafe is confirmed.

3. Also confirmed she's in a hotel not a condo. Name also confirmed.

4. They split the cost of the hotel, 7000 per month. Must be a real dump, no WIFI. But she says a very central location.

5. She says she will send proof she's in Chonburi tomorrow.

6. The reason she didn't call earlier is that she didn't want to call in front of the friend, as she'd tell her mother.

7. She claims the reason why she didn't want me to come was purely money, if I was going to spend 4000 for a trip better to send her

8. She says she likes Phuket better than Chonburi. But she's happy to come live in Chiang Mai. "Because one boy likes Chiang Mai so much"

9. She registered to vote in Chon Buri because this idiot flatmate told her to do it.

10. I told her I was sure she cheated on me, just like what she did to her first bf. She was very firm, she did not do it this time. "I do worse" she joked. I said "5 guys? That's too much."

1 hour ago, xtrnuno41 said:

let her erase all contacts , but not for him. He continued to go on with other women and shows her.

What was she thinking, as you showed yourself as a player?

How sick can you be?

Yup. That was a big mistake. I did block them, but I was too conflicted and unblocked them again and talked to them. Obviously this hurt her a lot. So I assured her this will not happen again. And it won't. I'll erase them when she returns.

1 hour ago, xtrnuno41 said:

You got a warning from her, x bf was texting and she had revenge sex.

Yes, that's true. I didn't listen. One lucky escape this time.

1 hour ago, xtrnuno41 said:

You absolutely didnt want to go with her to visit family, work. Meaning contacting other women.

No, I really wanted to go with her, but I had work to do. I won't be contacting these other women anymore.

1 hour ago, xtrnuno41 said:

You admitted, you already have lined up 3 other ones, work.

Well, Nakhon Phanom virgin also texted me she's "very single". It's not hard when you have pipeline. But I'll block them all if she comes back.

So why did she call now?

I had deleted a text. This showed my irritation with her not bothering to reply for 3 and a half hours.

When she sent protests and asked what I deleted I wrote "Just questions, but since you could not be bothered to read my text for 3 and a half hours, I've lost interest in what the answer may be".

This expressed my clear displeasure at her not being in touch. Then I texted nothing all night.

Net result: She reaches out to be in touch.

So if you're ever in this situation, your best bet is to not text and express displeasure at her not reaching out. If she cares, she'll fix it and reach out.

22 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I think you've been very forgiving using the term possible - lets face it, we're looking at a daily certainty !!!

I think my use of the term possible reflects my benevolent nature rather than my true thoughts and the actual likelihood.....

1 minute ago, Keeps said:

I think my use of the term possible reflects my benevolent nature rather than my true thoughts and the actual likelihood.....

You're both wrong she was very focused on me , one could say almost devoted. When I said I want to go to bed now she protested and insisted "I want to talk to you!".

This girl really loves me. I have no concern about any other man at all at this point.

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

One hour!!! Great call.

My God, what a load off my broad manly shoulders. Finally this girl called me.

So a few new details:

1. She's not living with an aunt, but a 28 year old woman whom she calls "sister". So this friend of hers convinced her to come to Chonburi, no doubt because that way she could unload half the hotel costs on her, and pay less. She had a car so they drove to Chonburi.

2. The name of the cafe is confirmed.

3. Also confirmed she's in a hotel not a condo. Name also confirmed.

4. They split the cost of the hotel, 7000 per month. Must be a real dump, no WIFI. But she says a very central location.

5. She says she will send proof she's in Chonburi tomorrow.

6. The reason she didn't call earlier is that she didn't want to call in front of the friend, as she'd tell her mother.

7. She claims the reason why she didn't want me to come was purely money, if I was going to spend 4000 for a trip better to send her

8. She says she likes Phuket better than Chonburi. But she's happy to come live in Chiang Mai. "Because one boy likes Chiang Mai so much"

9. She registered to vote in Chon Buri because this idiot flatmate told her to do it.

Telling you exactly what you want to hear without any proof at all... and giving her just enough plausible deniability.... She's a pro !

No evidence in anything she told you - if she can talk on the phone, she can video and share her location.