46 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

52 minutes ago, Celsius said:

I never paid my wife 1 baht to be with me nor did I pay in any of my previous relationships.

 

You pay for your wife. Like everyone else. You're just not being honest, like so many on here. All men pay. 

 

If you seriously think I: would believe you did not pay your wife, by paying a mortgage, holiday, gifts, dinners, food, then frankly you are clutching at straws. I dont' believe that for a second.

 

Wrong - Celcius said he never paid his wife a single baht to be with him...

... And that is the difference. In your situation, it’s obvious this girl expects a financial return simply to be with you.

 

When a relationship starts with money on the table, the girl is being paid to be with the guy. There’s no dressing it up or polishing it.

 

Chiang Mai Girl knew she wouldn’t get paid enough - so she moved on.

Phuket Girl has been paid in past relationships, and she expects the same from you. If she isn’t paid, she will move on.

 

You may argue you haven’t paid her yet (aside from the flight), but you’ve openly admitted that you expect to pay. That alone makes it a 'pay for play' relationship.

 

This is not a normal relationship. It is fundamentally about monetary return. It’s very different from standard relationships - even if this pattern is repeated often in “older Western guy, much younger uneducated Thai woman” scenarios across Thailand.

 

Again, there’s nothing inherently wrong with that - but pretending these relationships are the same as typical emotionally-driven ones is completely delusional.

 

 

 

 

 

55 minutes ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I guess since there is no more mention of Chiang Mai girl, that bubble has been burst and he is back down to the pits. Don't fancy trawling through pages of waffle in order to find out what happened there. 

A précis?

 

She was an escort - he finally accepted it... 

 

This one is 'pay for play' and will not hang around unless she receives a salary - at the moment he insists this is a normal relationship because she has said she loves him 50% !!!

Even if these girls have a boyfriend, they don't post anything about them in their Social Media accounts. At best you might see a hand holding a glass of wine or just an implication. Why put up impediments to their followers and potential income? The real boyfriends share the proceeds and the lifestyle. The guys that chase women that way, are simply, the product. The customer. He didn't get any sex, did he? That wasn't part of the deal.

I had another Russian women tell me that she did the same, acting more like a Geisha, rather than having sex with her marks. The difference was that she was appealing to me to be with her, for free. My answer was/is, no. 

You need to be aware when you are scrabbling around at the bottom of the barrel. Lying to yourself that you are in the top echelon, will only prolong the pain.

4 hours ago, FrankieGoesToHolly said:

I guess since there is no more mention of Chiang Mai girl, that bubble has been burst and he is back down to the pits. Don't fancy trawling through pages of waffle in order to find out what happened there. 

A précis?

 

CM girl came on date with me and we discussed plans for her birthday. It turned out she was dating another guy for 2 years, so effectively had a boyfriend. She flew to Pattaya with him on her birthday. I have no more contact with her.

 

As chance would have it on the very day of CM's birthday Phuket girl flew in to meet me and we spent a wonderful two first days together. There have been some Thunderclouds but it is sunny with clouds at the moment.

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

We share things like most normal couples.

 

Translation: I pay for her.

 

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

Thai men also don't pay.

 

Some Thai men also pay an allowance. I met one a few days ago who told me he did.

 

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

It's pretty sad you will never experience the woman's generosity when they are really into you.

 

I already did a long time ago. And Phuket girl is very into me sexually, which is nice.

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You wrote - she received a 10,000 baht monthly salary from her Austrian ex... 

 

Are you denying that now ? she didn't receive a monthly salary from her Ex ?

 

I never said "salary", she got an allowance, like many Thai girlfriends. I was just clarifying that she did not mention the figure, I asked it specifically.

 

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You do not 'search out attractive young women of similar socio-economic standing' because you know you cannot attract them

 

Lol, no, I search out young and attractive women because I much prefer them over career women, who are usually less attractrive and hold no interest for me.

 

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

However, you paint the transactional nature of a husband-wife mortgage payment with the same brush as a guy paying a young girl a salary....   The two situations are not similar in the slightest.

 

They are exactly the same, the man pays. But you want to cling to this delusion they are different because you don't want to admit to yourself that there's in essence no difference between the Austrian ex and you. Men pay for their women. One way or the other.

 

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

paying a woman here to be a monthly girlfriend is nothing alike a married couple in the UK where an may pays more towards the mortgage, holidays, presents, dinners, food etc..  

 

You do not pay her "to be your girlfriend". She's already your gilrfriend and you help with her needs, so it's actually exactly the same as UK relationships.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I already did a long time ago. And Phuket girl is very into me sexually, which is nice.

Because you pay her. Do you really think she would prefer to be with a 54 year old man?

4 hours ago, nick supreme said:

It's truly heartwarming that you make time for your daughter. The moments you share together will become precious memories she will cherish for a lifetime. Your presence in her life is invaluable, and it deeply strengthens your bond as father and daughter.

 

At 25 she is rather young. We have already made many precious memories, I am happy to say.

Just now, marin said:

Because you pay her. Do you really think she would prefer to be with a 54 year old man?

 

No I did not pay Phuket girl anything. Except the flight of course and travel. Her last boyfriend was 62, I'm actually the young option.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Wrong - Celcius said he never paid his wife a single baht to be with him...

... And that is the difference. In your situation, it’s obvious this girl expects a financial return simply to be with you.

 

Total nonsense and semantics. Equally I could also say I do not pay the girl "to be" with me. In reality both Celsius, you and I are paying, as is every man that has a woman. You and Celsius just want to word masturbate about supposed modalities that make no difference whatsoever. The key is all men pay. Including you, Celsius and all those likeable men on AN who claim they don't pay.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

When a relationship starts with money on the table, the girl is being paid to be with the guy.

 

They never start with money. That all comes much later. Just like with UK relationships actually.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Chiang Mai Girl knew she wouldn’t get paid enough - so she moved on.

 

True, but Chiang Mai girl was a material girl, a serial dater, one step removed from being a full escort, so she doesn't count.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Phuket Girl has been paid in past relationships, and she expects the same from you. If she isn’t paid, she will move on.

 

Let's see.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

you’ve openly admitted that you expect to pay. That alone makes it a 'pay for play' relationship.

 

No it doesn't. You play, and you pay if you want, and if you can, the same with UK relationships. No different.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

. It is fundamentally about monetary return.

 

No it isn't. The financial aspect is just a side aspect. Just as in your relationship and most UK relationships.

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

but pretending these relationships are the same as typical emotionally-driven ones is completely delusional.

 

What is delusional is to pretend relationships in the UK are different. In essence the man pays. Just like in Thailand. Whether it's mortgage, dinner, holidays, or gifts, or an allowance makes no difference. The modality of the payment, the structure of the payment is immaterial, the key point is that both in Thailand and in the UK the man pays.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

We share things like most normal couples.

 

Translation: I pay for her.

 

No - thats not a translation - thats 'your' interpretation because you have to pay for a girlfriend to be with you.

 

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

Thai men also don't pay.

 

Some Thai men also pay an allowance. I met one a few days ago who told me he did.

 

None that I know do - they are in normal relationships where they haven't 'bought' the girl. 

But I have heard that some Thai guys might 'pay for a girlfriend' with a monthly salary - these guys are 'sugar daddies'...  and its polished version of the same thing - paying for a girl who would otherwise not be with them.

 

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

4 hours ago, Celsius said:

It's pretty sad you will never experience the woman's generosity when they are really into you.

 

I already did a long time ago. And Phuket girl is very into me sexually, which is nice.

 

Oh... how sad and naive, he has no idea his girl is 'acting'....      She 'makes you think' she's into you, because she believes she's going to 'get something' out of the relationship.

 

CM girl 'made you think' she was into you - you were convinced you were going on dates until she made you look a complete lovesick simp after she realised you weren't going to pony up.

 

Its nice that you are gullible enough to feel 'nice' though... 

 

 

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

She was an escort - he finally accepted it... 

 

This one is 'pay for play' and will not hang around unless she receives a salary - at the moment he insists this is a normal relationship because she has said she loves him 50% !!!

 

CM girl was not an escort. Probably. I asked her directly and she offended at the suggest, and denied it. She is mostl likely a merciless serial dater, who chooses men solely on financial means, adventure trips, top class restaurants and such. So she's one step removed from a full on escort. But there's not much in it.

 

Phuket girl is not "pay for play". She's playing very hard, and did not get paid one baht. 

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

None that I know do - they are in normal relationships where they haven't 'bought' the girl. 

But I have heard that some Thai guys might 'pay for a girlfriend' with a monthly salary - these guys are 'sugar daddies'...  and its polished version of the same thing - paying for a girl who would otherwise not be with them.

 

Yes, I spoke to a young 30 something guy, tall guy, handsome. Who has a business. He told me he pays his girlfriend an allowance.

 

When Thai men don't pay an allowance, they will of course pay for expenses the way men in the UK do. Like I said, there is no difference in essence.

Why would a 25 years old ever want to be a serious relationship with a 54 year old......when she can meet tons of 20-30 year old foreigner guys (good looking) off tinder at any time?

 

Get real , if this is even a seriously post? You are an ATM to her, nothing more

 

You are the one who is the joke if you seriously think you have a chance to a 'normal' and equal relationship with a 25 year old hottie 

 

You are living up to that meme where that old guy says to himeself "i still got it" when the waitress smiles at him lol....come on start living in reality, 

3 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Oh... how sad and naive, he has no idea his girl is 'acting'....      She 'makes you think' she's into you, because she believes she's going to 'get something' out of the relationship.

 

CM girl 'made you think' she was into you - you were convinced you were going on dates until she made you look a complete lovesick simp after she realised you weren't going to pony up.

 

I just asked Phuket girl how she would rate our sex. She replied "Too early to say, have to do more, more more".

 

I can assure you she's into physical intimacy with me, you can tell these things.

 

You're right though CM girl did have me fooled. And she was a material girl. That one yes, you can have it.

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You wrote - she received a 10,000 baht monthly salary from her Austrian ex... 

 

Are you denying that now ? she didn't receive a monthly salary from her Ex ?

 

I never said "salary", she got an allowance, like many Thai girlfriends. I was just clarifying that she did not mention the figure, I asked it specifically.

 

Its the same thing - she was 'working' for that allowance !!!

 

Why did you say it was 10,000 baht then ?

 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You do not 'search out attractive young women of similar socio-economic standing' because you know you cannot attract them

 

Lol, no, I search out young and attractive women because I much prefer them over career women, who are usually less attractrive and hold no interest for me.

 

Who would ignore you - you know that of course so make excuses why you only chase destitute women.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

However, you paint the transactional nature of a husband-wife mortgage payment with the same brush as a guy paying a young girl a salary....   The two situations are not similar in the slightest.

 

They are exactly the same, the man pays. But you want to cling to this delusion they are different because you don't want to admit to yourself that there's in essence no difference between the Austrian ex and you. Men pay for their women. One way or the other.

 

Delusional - basically you are suggesting every married woman is with her husband because he is paying her to be...   and this, in your eyes, is the same as prostitution - the man pays for sex.... 

 

 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

paying a woman here to be a monthly girlfriend is nothing alike a married couple in the UK where an may pays more towards the mortgage, holidays, presents, dinners, food etc..  

 

You do not pay her "to be your girlfriend". She's already your gilrfriend and you help with her needs, so it's actually exactly the same as UK relationships.

 

Wrong - you are paying her to be your Girlfriend - she would walk if you did not.

Men do not give their Girlfriends a Salary / allowance in the UK - neither does that happen here in normal relationships.

 

Your delusion that 'paying a girl' an allowance to be with you (which is the same as a salary) and this this is 'exactly' (or fundamentally) the same as UK relationships is astonishing !!!...   Almost as if you are painting ALL women as prostitutes who only have sex with men for money.

 

 

On 11/30/2025 at 11:54 PM, NedR69 said:

Find another girl...maybe no tats, especially no birds, feathers, or nests...

or spiders or snakes -- sign that she is especially lecherous

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

CM girl was not an escort. Probably. I asked her directly and she offended at the suggest, and denied it. She is mostl likely a merciless serial dater, who chooses men solely on financial means, adventure trips, top class restaurants and such. So she's one step removed from a full on escort. But there's not much in it.

 

Phuket girl is not "pay for play". She's playing very hard, and did not get paid one baht. 

 

Haha - she was 100% an escort !!! - she was the very personification of an escort... 

... Someone who will be with a guy, travel with him and give him the 'girlfriend' experience in exchange for cash.... 

 

Of course - you want to defend yourself because you can't admit that you are completely blind to such realities - you can't possibly accept that your judgement is so far off.

 

You can call her a 'merciless serial dater who chooses men solely on financial means' - which, yes, means trips, restaurants and such - but do not pretend a salary does not come with that - of course it does...

 

... And thats not 'one step removed' from an escort - is the same very step...  'there's not much in it' because its the same... 

 

Perhaps step away from that is Phuket Girl -  A 'serial dater' who will be a long term girlfriend if the salary is right...   Don't pony up and that will wither away too...   

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

I just asked Phuket girl how she would rate our sex. She replied "Too early to say, have to do more, more more".

 

I can assure you she's into physical intimacy with me, you can tell these things.

 

 

Tell Phuket Girl - there will never be a salary - but she can stay with you because she loves you.. 

 

See how long this lasts... 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Yes, I spoke to a young 30 something guy, tall guy, handsome. Who has a business. He told me he pays his girlfriend an allowance.

 

When Thai men don't pay an allowance, they will of course pay for expenses the way men in the UK do. Like I said, there is no difference in essence.

 

 

Utterly delusional...    All the house wives of the world are the same as a girlfriend who would only be with a guy if he pays her....  Got it !!! 

37 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

At 25 she is rather young. We have already made many precious memories, I am happy to say.

 

 

Many precious memories !!!...   ...

 

.... Poor Cameroni - he has no idea how easily he'll be forgotten when she bouncing away on the next 'john' who believes she's only had 3 sexual partners and has never worked in a bar !!!  

26 minutes ago, hydraides said:

Why would a 25 years old ever want to be a serious relationship with a 54 year old

Have a 67 yo friend here in cm married to an educated 23yo who works six days a week and by all appearances she is madly into him. 

35 minutes ago, novacova said:

1 hour ago, hydraides said:

Why would a 25 years old ever want to be a serious relationship with a 54 year old

Have a 67 yo friend here in cm married to an educated 23yo who works six days a week and by all appearances she is madly into him. 

 

Which is excellent - he's not paying her a salary to be with him...   He knows she's genuine and has made a true choice of the heart,  and he is not lying to himself...  Good on him.

 

Cameroni may try to suggest that 'your friend pays for the rent and holidays' which is the same as paying for her... 

 

 

On 12/1/2025 at 3:55 PM, richard_smith237 said:

 

Bigger boobs = bigger income...           

Very true. A great post.

Amazing, Cam is keeping open all his opportunities with other women.

He even pays for keeping open those opportunities, twice(?) money to Philippines woman.

Still dreaming of her and to get her back, meaning honest girl has to go some time, probably soon.

Meaning he has to start with breaking up and therefor treating her in a less way.

Honest girl is telling him about contact, when he asked and get harsh punished, block him or leave.

He never ever asked the other ones and put that up. He thinks, it also doesnt mean, he should do the same, no way Jose.

CM girl was taken to the highest class places for wine and dine, instant umbrella and phone cover and so on.

Yeah, he had some "true feelings" for her, he said.

Honest girl has to pay for food while he knows how her situation is. Not a multimillionaire.

 

It quite differs in approach and think it is shameful, Cam !

As I understood, you want someone real with you. But maybe you changed your mind and dont care that much..

He doesnt really boast about honest girl, other then the sex. So CM girl is more wise then?

DOnt give sex and you get everything (money) , give sex and you are threatened !

What an attitude, but ok what to expect from a lawyer.

Honest girl is open, but beneath mental way of Cam and so now he is treating her now, as a slave.

She has to make room for PG again. Right?

People are strange.

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Amazing, Cam is keeping open all his opportunities with other women.

He even pays for keeping open those opportunities, twice(?) money to Philippines woman.

 

Filipina virgin is just an insurance.She's a lovely girl, who has only had one man. Me.  If it weren't for Phuket girl, I'd probably give Filipina virgin a real chance. As it is, Phuket girl is even more into physical intimacy than Filipina virgin, and she is more beautiful, quite a bit cuter and more interesting. So as much as it pains me, when the time of New Year comes, I will have to disappoint Flipiina virgin, as I will still be with Phuket girl. Unless things develop unfavourably, and let's face it, there have already been a number of red flags with Phuket girl as well. Who is to say what the future holds here? It would be foolish not to keep the Filipina virgin option open as long as possible.

 

34 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

, meaning honest girl has to go some time, probably soon.

Meaning he has to start with breaking up and therefor treating her in a less way

 

No. I don't want to break up with Phuket girl. I want her to stay and for us to ride into the sunset. However, I am not convinced things willl turn out that way. In 30 days a lot can change. Phuket girl has thrown me some serious curve balls. Some I haven't even disclosed here. So if we will really make it, is written in the stars. There's no guarantee for that.

 

However, I will not ask Phuket girl to go. I will not treat her in a lesser way. Quite the opposite. But she is a beach girl, she loves Phuket. She may be expensive to maintain, time will tell. If she will stay, I cannot say.

 

37 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Honest girl is telling him about contact, when he asked and get harsh punished, block him or leave.

 

Yes, it was harsh. But I have seen with exes what can happen. BKK girl's ex was writing in secret asking her to meet in BKK. I nipped that in the bud too. But ultimately  you cannot control this. If they want to talk to them, they will.

 

But it is good to make clear that is unaceptable.

 

39 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Honest girl has to pay for food while he knows how her situation is. Not a multimillionaire.

 

She doesn't. I always offer to pay for her. But she offered to pay again today. She is maybe trying to tell me something, she wants to invest. She also hasn't asked for money. She said she can service her debt herself.

 

But I am worried about Phuket girls' financial situation. There are things she said she doesn't want to tell me until we are 100% serious.

 

40 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

It quite differs in approach and think it is shameful, Cam !

As I understood, you want someone real with you. But maybe you changed your mind and dont care that much..

 

I understand what you mean, it doesn't look good. But I have not changed my mind about Phuket girl. She is very real with me, and I care deeply about her. I would not have been so harsh about her writing to her ex otherwise. I want her to stay.

 

42 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

He doesnt really boast about honest girl, other then the sex.

 

There is a lot to laud in Phuket girl. Her sweetness, feminiity, her intelligence, the funny turns she takes. She is an amazing girl. Which is why I want her to stay so much. It's not just the great sex, though that helps.

 

43 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

So CM girl is more wise then?

 

No, CM girl is playing a foolish game. Yes, she gets Omakase, fireworks and top hotels. But she has to have sex as well. But with someone she doesn't love. She never put that guy on her Insta. She is not proud of him. If she loved him and is with him for 2 years, as she said, why is she going on dates with other guys? Because she knows what she has is not love, which is what she really wants. But will probably never find as she is looking for the wrong things.

 

45 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

Honest girl is open, but beneath mental way of Cam and so now he is treating her now, as a slave.

 

No, I don't see Phuket girl as beneath me in any way. Nor am I treating her as a slave. Ok, I may ask her to get me a coke, but I treat her very well.

 

46 minutes ago, xtrnuno41 said:

She has to make room for PG again. Right?

 

No, if Phuket girl stays, then I will sacrifice a virgin. As much as it pains me.

2 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Haha - she was 100% an escort !!! - she was the very personification of an escort... 

... Someone who will be with a guy, travel with him and give him the 'girlfriend' experience in exchange for cash.... 

 

No, I think you're wrong on that as well, Richard. It's not just that I asked her and she was offended and denied it. You have to consider that on our first date I took her to my house and did not spend one baht. Yet she agreed to date 2 and date 3.

 

Yes, she's a material girl. Yes, she cheats on her boyfriend she was dating for 2 years and dates other guys. Yes, she's a serial dater, who wants top hotels, fancy restaurants and adventure trips. But  I don't think she's a real escort. She could have offered me something for a price and never did. When I opened that door and asked if she was an escort, rather than pursue that and see if she can get me to pay up in any way, she was offended and denied.

 

CM girl was not an escort. Just a very materialist girl, who cheated on her boyfriend, was a serial dater and good at deception. Though you're right, she probably got cash for her birthday from Omakase man, and surely took it.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

.. Poor Cameroni - he has no idea how easily he'll be forgotten when she bouncing away on the next 'john' who believes she's only had 3 sexual partners and has never worked in a bar !!!  

 

That's very crass and classless to suggest Phuket girl has "johns", is a prostitute or such, just because she got an allowance, just because a man paid for her, just like you are doing for your wife and like all men pay for their women all over the world.

 

She is a shy (except in sex), stay at home body, who is looking for a man with a good heart. Not a man with tons of cash. 10000 bath is enough for her. She doesn't even want to go out at night to restaurants. She wants to cook at home.

 

Don't insult her as being a prostitute. She is not. And no, she never worked in bar. Though she is very tempted to do that because of money, I'm sad to say.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, I think you're wrong on that as well, Richard. It's not just that I asked her and she was offended and denied it. You have to consider that on our first date I took her to my house and did not spend one baht. Yet she agreed to date 2 and date 3.

 

Yes, she's a material girl. Yes, she cheats on her boyfriend she was dating for 2 years and dates other guys. Yes, she's a serial dater, who wants top hotels, fancy restaurants and adventure trips. But  I don't think she's a real escort. She could have offered me something for a price and never did. When I opened that door and asked if she was an escort, rather than pursue that and see if she can get me to pay up in any way, she was offended and denied.

 

CM girl was not an escort. Just a very materialist girl, who cheated on her boyfriend, was a serial dater and good at deception. Though you're right, she probably got cash for her birthday from Omakase man, and surely took it.

 

You've already said she was one step away from an escort !!!...    

6 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

You've already said she was one step away from an escort !!!...    

 

Yes, and that's true. She goes on many dates with many guys. She goes on trips with them, to fancy hotels and restaurants. And no doubt the men give her money.

 

But she will turn around and tell you she's just "dating". I don't think you'll find her on escort sites. She's a serial dater, a materialist girl, who wants to have adventure.

 

She never hit me up for business as an escort would do.

 

Yes, she goes with men and does the things we say above, but only men she thinks she would date. Yes, they must be rich, and have enough money for adventure. But I don't think you can say she's a full on escort.

 

She's just on step removed as a serial dater though. And she cheated on that guy of 2 years with me, and probably many others.