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Getting Work permit on retirement extension ..

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Got a buddy who is thinking of getting a job (in Thailand) ....

 

Over 10 years ago, he was offered a job here, went to Laos, got Non B visa and his employer got him a work permit (Chonburi Labour Office)

 

Several months later however, he left the job and his employer cancelled the work permit and he headed to Jomtien immigration, who issued him a retirement extension on his Non B visa ..... He has renewed that extension for the last 10 years....

 

His question - Does his Non B visa allow him (after he finds a job) to get a work permit ? - or would he have to get the current Non B cancelled and go to Laos and start all over ?

 

Info - Blue British passport holder - over 60 years old - Lived in Thailand permanently 13+ years - Lives Pattaya ...

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As above.

But I think you are getting his information incorrect.

After his WP was cancelled 10 years ago, so was his Non B, which is why he was transferred to a yearly retirement extension. So he does not have a Non B and a retirement ext, only the one.

So once again he cannot work on a retirement ext, only on a marriage extension.

Hope that clarifies for you.

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3 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

As above.

But I think you are getting his information incorrect.

After his WP was cancelled 10 years ago, so was his Non B, which is why he was transferred to a yearly retirement extension. So he does not have a Non B and a retirement ext, only the one.

So once again he cannot work on a retirement ext, only on a marriage extension.

Hope that clarifies for you.

 

I have seen his passport - it has a Non B visa -  in fact when he got a new passport earlier this year, the Non B visa was transferred into it, along with his retirement extension (by Jomtien immigration)...

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15 minutes ago, PoorSucker said:

No WP on retirement visa/extension

 

But he doesn't have the usual Non O visa with a retirement extension - he's got a Non B, with retirement extension - hence the original post ....

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19 minutes ago, piston broke said:

 

But he doesn't have the usual Non O visa with a retirement extension - he's got a Non B, with retirement extension - hence the original post ....

If it is what you say, it is very unusual. 

43 minutes ago, piston broke said:

 

But he doesn't have the usual Non O visa with a retirement extension - he's got a Non B, with retirement extension - hence the original post ....

 

41 minutes ago, couchpotato said:

If it is what you say, it is very unusual. 

 

It's not unusual at all. The original visa stays the same, it's the reason for the visa extension that changes. The visa extension changes from Work Permit to Retirement.  Unfortunately I can't answer the OP's question. I would assume he could change back to a Work Permit, but I struggle to think like an immigration officer.

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The visa was irrelevant the moment he used it to enter Thailand as it was then USED and no longer valid.  The only thing that matters after that is the extension, each of which is a brand new application.  Also, he did not switch from non-B visa to retirement, he switched from work extension to retirement extension.  The reason he was able to do this is because a work extension can be cancelled effective the last day of work with documentation from the employer, and then you can immediately apply for a new extension.  With a retirement extension, there is no way to "cancel" that extension voluntarily on a specific date.  It's also just generally not possible to switch from a retirement extension to a work extension as it's not something supported by immigration. The only option is to leave Thailand without a re-entry permit to kill the retirement extension, and then get a non-B visa.  This can be done either at an embassy (the easiest) or by returning to Thailand as a tourist and converting to the non-B at immigration (if supported by both their immigration office and their employer, a very difficult process).

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10 hours ago, piston broke said:

I have seen his passport - it has a Non B visa -  in fact when he got a new passport earlier this year, the Non B visa was transferred into it, along with his retirement extension (by Jomtien immigration)...

I believe you are more than a little confused about two completely different things. 😮 

When he started the "chain" he had a Non-B visa and worked with yearly extensions, and then when he retired he CHANGED THE REASON for his extension from one based on employment to one based on retirement <- which you can do because the only requirement is you held SOME TYPE of Non-Imm visa to start the process and he held a Non-B 

He has NO visa at all, not a Non-B, not a Non-O, not anything. He's here on a yearly extension of stay based on retirement and he cannot change the reason for his extension to employment from retirement (you can't change reasons for extensions in that direction 😕 , only employment to retirement like he did before).

He's gotta go get a new Non-B either outside the country at a thai consulate via the online web-portal
OR
by bouncing out/back to get off this retirement extension and then buy the 90 day Non-B from the immigration office where he will work (IF his new employer can meet the more stringent requirements to get that 90 day Non-B issued in country)   

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10 hours ago, couchpotato said:

If it is what you say, it is very unusual. 

totally NOT unusual at all 

Many many people get 90 day Non-B visas, then yearly extensions based on employment, and then when they retire they cancel their employment extension and immediately apply for a new extension based on retirement

CHANGING THE REASON for an extension is done all the time all over the country 
BUT 
Sadly for the friend of the O/P while you can change the reason for your extension from employment to retirement what you can't do is change it in the "other direction", from retirement to employment. For that you have to either go get a new Non-B at a consulate or bounce out/back to get off the retirement extension and then get the 90 day Non-B inside the country at the immigration office 

 

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28 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

I believe you are more than a little confused about two completely different things. 😮 

When he started the "chain" he had a Non-B visa and worked with yearly extensions, and then when he retired he CHANGED THE REASON for his extension to one based on employment to one based on retirement <- which you can do because the only requirement is you held SOME TYPE of Non-Imm visa to start the process and he held a Non-B 

He has NO visa at all, not a Non-B, not a Non-O, not anything. He's here on a yearly extension of stay based on retirement and he cannot change the reason for his extension to employment from retirement (you can't change reasons for extensions in that direction 😕 , only employment to retirement like he did before).

He's gotta go get a new Non-B either outside the country at a thai consulate via the online web-portal
OR
by bouncing out/back to get off this retirement extension and then buy the 90 day Non-B from the immigration office where he will work (IF his new employer can meet the more stringent requirements to get that 90 day Non-B issued in country)   

 

Tod - Thank you for a very comprehensive and knowledgeable reply ...

 

20 minutes ago, piston broke said:

 

Tod - Thank you for a very comprehensive and knowledgeable reply ...

 

If he can find suitable employment - Are you saying immigration (he'd use Jomtien) would issue a new Non B "over the counter", rather than having to leave the country and get one ?

 

Again, thanks for your imput ...

 

No, he specifically said that your friend has to leave the country;

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He's gotta go get a new Non-B either outside the country at a thai consulate via the online web-portal
OR
by bouncing out/back to get off this retirement extension and then buy the 90 day Non-B from the immigration office where he will work (IF his new employer can meet the more stringent requirements to get that 90 day Non-B issued in country) 

 

After changing his status from retirement extension to visa exempt by leaving Thailand and reentering, then he can get a Non-B from Immigration, if he has the necessary paperwork.

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7 hours ago, BrandonJT said:

The visa was irrelevant the moment he used it to enter Thailand as it was then USED and no longer valid.  The only thing that matters after that is the extension, each of which is a brand new application.  Also, he did not switch from non-B visa to retirement, he switched from work extension to retirement extension.  The reason he was able to do this is because a work extension can be cancelled effective the last day of work with documentation from the employer, and then you can immediately apply for a new extension.  With a retirement extension, there is no way to "cancel" that extension voluntarily on a specific date.  It's also just generally not possible to switch from a retirement extension to a work extension as it's not something supported by immigration. The only option is to leave Thailand without a re-entry permit to kill the retirement extension, and then get a non-B visa.  This can be done either at an embassy (the easiest) or by returning to Thailand as a tourist and converting to the non-B at immigration (if supported by both their immigration office and their employer, a very difficult process).

 

i think the fact that he'd need to leave the country and start the process all over again (and he tells me it was a huge pain in the ass originally), if he wants to work again, would mean he'll just stick to being retired ... 

10 minutes ago, piston broke said:

 

i think the fact that he'd need to leave the country and start the process all over again (and he tells me it was a huge pain in the ass originally), if he wants to work again, would mean he'll just stick to being retired ... 

I think his new employer applies for a work permit for him, gets Ministry of Labour approval, he nips out (Laos perhaps) and apples for an non-B e-visa and returns on a 90 day entry, to be extended.  Maybe easier now than 10 years ago.

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5 minutes ago, Upnotover said:

I think his new employer applies for a work permit for him, gets Ministry of Labour approval, he nips out (Laos perhaps) and apples for an non-B e-visa and returns on a 90 day entry, to be extended.  Maybe easier now than 10 years ago.

 

He told me that the process started with him going to Laos (a 10h mini bus journey)  with loads of company documents from his employer's company, along with the application form - The Embassy in Laos issued the B visa and then the process at Chonbury Labour office started ... having signed dozens and dozens of forms in the office, 2 weeks later the Labour office turn up at his work place and took photos inside and outside with his thai colleagues surrounding him to prove (i guess) that he really did work there).....  As i said earlier, having found out what will be required, he won't be going down that route again ....

1 hour ago, piston broke said:

 

He told me that the process started with him going to Laos (a 10h mini bus journey)  with loads of company documents from his employer's company, along with the application form - The Embassy in Laos issued the B visa and then the process at Chonbury Labour office started ... having signed dozens and dozens of forms in the office, 2 weeks later the Labour office turn up at his work place and took photos inside and outside with his thai colleagues surrounding him to prove (i guess) that he really did work there).....  As i said earlier, having found out what will be required, he won't be going down that route again ....

How he gets to Laos is up to him.  The application is all online now so he won't be carrying any documents.  He would need to cross into Laos, submit the application online, head to the embassy in the morning to make the visa payment, then wait 2-3 business days until the visa arrives by e-mail.

6 minutes ago, BrandonJT said:

How he gets to Laos is up to him.  The application is all online now so he won't be carrying any documents.  He would need to cross into Laos, submit the application online, head to the embassy in the morning to make the visa payment, then wait 2-3 business days until the visa arrives by e-mail.

And remember he has to wait for an email to print off to go and pay the fee at the consulate.

17 hours ago, piston broke said:

 

Got a buddy who is thinking of getting a job (in Thailand) ....

 

Over 10 years ago, he was offered a job here, went to Laos, got Non B visa and his employer got him a work permit (Chonburi Labour Office)

 

Several months later however, he left the job and his employer cancelled the work permit and he headed to Jomtien immigration, who issued him a retirement extension on his Non B visa ..... He has renewed that extension for the last 10 years....

 

His question - Does his Non B visa allow him (after he finds a job) to get a work permit ? - or would he have to get the current Non B cancelled and go to Laos and start all over ?

 

Info - Blue British passport holder - over 60 years old - Lived in Thailand permanently 13+ years - Lives Pattaya ...

He doesn't have a valid non-B visa anymore

Get it from the horse's mouth and check with the Labour Department first. If they regret, then your friend either lives with it = no work -OR- gets a Non-B visa which might require applying for the latter outside Thailand. Eventually an agency in Pattaya can perform a rabbit-out-of-the-hat trick; not unheard of in the past 😉 

 

Personally i would approach some of the reutable immigration services and see what they advise.  

On 11/5/2025 at 2:22 PM, piston broke said:

 

I have seen his passport - it has a Non B visa -  in fact when he got a new passport earlier this year, the Non B visa was transferred into it, along with his retirement extension (by Jomtien immigration)...

His visa is expired, but that was the one that originally gave him entry to Thailand. The original entry-visa is transferred to a new passport – which is normal procedure – but the visa itself is still expired. Your friend might have had his first extensions of stay based on work, but they terminated when his work permit terminated. Your friend's extention of stay for the last 10 years have been based on retirement, he cannot get a work permit as retired. So yes, he either needs to start all over again with a new non-immigrant B-visa or perhaps, extentions of stay based on marriage to a Thai, if he is married, which will give permission for a work permit; I think you can change to that extention of stay, but others might know if it is possible.

On 11/5/2025 at 8:13 PM, couchpotato said:

As above.

But I think you are getting his information incorrect.

After his WP was cancelled 10 years ago, so was his Non B, which is why he was transferred to a yearly retirement extension. So he does not have a Non B and a retirement ext, only the one.

So once again he cannot work on a retirement ext, only on a marriage extension.

Hope that clarifies for you.

he would have a yearly retirement extension based on a non imm B visa, but can not work on that retirement extension

On 11/5/2025 at 8:22 PM, piston broke said:

 

I have seen his passport - it has a Non B visa -  in fact when he got a new passport earlier this year, the Non B visa was transferred into it, along with his retirement extension (by Jomtien immigration)...

take a look at the Visa page in the passport ..   doesn't it have 2 lines across it and a signature from the  I.M OFFICER .?  as in it is now used !

 it's no longer valid, and he's on retirement status.

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