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Death/funeral arrangements?

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5 hours ago, Will Iam Not said:

How could 'the British Embassy' confirm my identity with out seeing my body and Passport together. Would they come up to my home?

The death of a foreigner has to be reported to the police by law and between the two identity will be confirmed.

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12 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Obviously not, the next of kin has to be informed of a death and girlfriends are not NOK.

Pity you cannot read. If you had read my post I was talking about the man's wife, the next of kin.

Please engage brain before opening the keyboard.

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3 hours ago, Will Iam Not said:

My GF just asked the Village Chief, who said that he, the Police Chief, the Amphur and the temple will do it all after the local Hospital has issued a Death Certificate.

They will inform the Embassy.

Copies of my Thai Will, Passport, Yellow Book, DL, all in an envelope here ready to go when needed.

 

Seems a bit different in her town then, for the better.

 

How I got involved in this in the first place was when she contacted me telling she has been told that cremation would require permission from UK embassy. Reading the embassy web it says the same. 

 

The issue is that in adddion to stating need embassy authorization, Embassy would require nomination of 'funeral director' to be nominated as the authorised person. In the application I just put her name and thai ID as the person to be authorized, will soon see if accepted or not. 

31 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:
42 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Obviously not, the next of kin has to be informed of a death and girlfriends are not NOK.

Pity you cannot read. If you had read my post I was talking about the man's wife, the next of kin.

Please engage brain before opening the keyboard.

Pity you cannot read, I was responding to Will Iam Not's post, not yours that was nested.   Please engage brain before insulting other members.

5 hours ago, billd766 said:

AFAIK there are NO funeral directors out here and most deaths are dealt with by the Pu Yai Ban, the Amphur and the Police from the Amphur.

 

I have not been to the embassy since it was still on Wireless Road in BKK. I doubt if they have any knowledge of any Brit living in rural Thailand.

The police would advise the embassy of the death of any foreigner.

5 hours ago, Will Iam Not said:

Which is what I would advise my Partner to do, even though it is technically illegal.

Illegal, not "technically" illegal!

5 hours ago, billd766 said:

IMHO if the embassy IS told of my death my (frozen) state pension will be stopped and the news will spread to the others, especially the military.

The embassy will be told.

5 hours ago, jvs said:

I have dealt with a few of these cases but never had the Thai police contact any one other but the embassy.

Why would the Thai police contact any one outside of Thailand? Make no sense to me.

 

You're right, they wouldn't, the embassy would be the ones doing that.

20 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The death of a foreigner has to be reported to the police by law and between the two identity will be confirmed.

Between which two are you referring, the Police and who else. 

No-one has inferred that the Police are not to be informed, if you read what I said earlier, the Village Chief, THE POLICE, and the Temple will do all the necessary things.

9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The police would advise the embassy of the death of any foreigner.

My GF just asked the Village Chief, who said that he, the Police Chief, the Amphur and the temple will do it all after the local Hospital has issued a Death Certificate.

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Illegal, not "technically" illegal!

Yes you are correct. But it does go on, and is ignored. I know several girls who have used the ATM card after the death.

2 minutes ago, Will Iam Not said:
28 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The death of a foreigner has to be reported to the police by law and between the two identity will be confirmed.

Between which two are you referring, the Police and who else. 

No-one has inferred that the Police are not to be informed, if you read what I said earlier, the Village Chief, THE POLICE, and the Temple will do all the necessary things.

The two would be thepolice and the embassy.

 

"No-one has inferred that the Police are not to be informed..."

How do you know that no one has "inferred" that, some people may have even though no one implied it!

9 minutes ago, Will Iam Not said:
18 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The police would advise the embassy of the death of any foreigner.

My GF just asked the Village Chief, who said that he, the Police Chief, the Amphur and the temple will do it all after the local Hospital has issued a Death Certificate.

I know, and I know what you posted - that comment of mine that you quoted was a response to billd766, not you.

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The two would be thepolice and the embassy.

 

"No-one has inferred that the Police are not to be informed..."

How do you know that no one has "inferred" that, some people may have even though no one implied it!

Give it a rest Lou. My GF would inform the local people as I said earlier, then the Police would inform the Embassy. How long the British Embassy would take to allow the cremation is anyone's guess. Meanwhile, there's me lying in the refrigerated box borrowed from the Temple.

2 minutes ago, Will Iam Not said:
6 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The two would be thepolice and the embassy.

 

"No-one has inferred that the Police are not to be informed..."

How do you know that no one has "inferred" that, some people may have even though no one implied it!

Give it a rest Lou.

Give what a rest...accuracy?  

48 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The death of a foreigner has to be reported to the police by law and between the two identity will be confirmed.

So how would that happen. Copy of Passport photo to the Embassy, then how would they know that it is the deceased.

Anyone who has known, lived, been with the dead person for a significant length of time, in our case 15 years,  can make a valid identification. The Village Chief has told my GF that and he should know, and HE could come to the house, look at the Passport and dead face and confirm it. Nobody from the Embassy could do that.

As for your Ïn State" remark....Pedantic is the accurate word.

17 minutes ago, Will Iam Not said:
1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

The death of a foreigner has to be reported to the police by law and between the two identity will be confirmed.

So how would that happen.

Advise the police that a foreigner has died and the police would amke a visit to the home or the hospital, or wherever the death occured or where the body was where their identity would be confirmed, The police then inform the embassy.

9 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Advise the police that a foreigner has died and the police would MAKE a visit to the home or the hospital, or wherever the death OCCURRED or where the body was where their identity would be confirmed, The police then inform the embassy.

So WHO would confirm the identity of the deceased, their next of kin, in my case a brother in the UK?

Via Messenger or Whats App!  555

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Pity you cannot read, I was responding to Will Iam Not's post, not yours that was nested.   Please engage brain before insulting other members.

Well you need to understand how AN works so you do not include other posters in your criticism. With all of your posts you should know by now how it works

3 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:

Well you need to understand how AN works so you do not include other posters in your criticism. With all of your posts you should know by now how it works

Thank you. Spot on!

22 minutes ago, GreasyFingers said:
1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Pity you cannot read, I was responding to Will Iam Not's post, not yours that was nested.   Please engage brain before insulting other members.

Well you need to understand how AN works so you do not include other posters in your criticism. With all of your posts you should know by now how it works

I do know how it works, you need to understand the relevance of context.   I wasn't criticising anyone, I was answering a question, please quote my "criticism" if you can.

The first think after a death is to notify the police.

They will ask for a passport and then they will inform the rescue people and the first thing they do is to take finger prints of all fingers of the deceased.

All this is send to the embassy and they will contact next of kin if possible.

 

 

3 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

I do know how it works, you need to understand the relevance of context.   I wasn't criticising anyone, I was answering a question, please quote my "criticism" if you can.

No quotes needed, you have posted many replies, some not understandable, some insults if other members do not see things your way. 

2 minutes ago, Will Iam Not said:

No quotes needed, you have posted many replies, some not understandable, some insults if other members do not see things your way. 

The self appointed pontiff has spoken. We are not allowed to think for ourselves according to LL.

8 minutes ago, jvs said:

The first think after a death is to notify the police.

They will ask for a passport and then they will inform the rescue people and the first thing they do is to take finger prints of all fingers of the deceased.

All this is send to the embassy and they will contact next of kin if possible.

 

 

I do not think that the British Embassy holds MY fingerprints on file as I have never had them taken in UK. Or do you think that the Immigration would forward them to the Police and subsequently to the Embassy. Not feasible.

Why would Rescue People come to my house if I kick the bucket in bed at home?

The father of a friend recently died in Pattaya.  No fingerprints were taken. His son confirmed identity. Local Police and Amphur were informed. That was it, burned two days later

1 hour ago, Liverpool Lou said:

the embassy would be the ones doing that.

Doing what, informing themselves. 

The hole is getting deeper Lou.

If you telephone the Consular Section at the British Embassy they will tell you what is required for them to issue a letter permitting cremation.  This can be done by email, I believe, so a trip to BKK is not required.  I suspect in my case it would just be a copy of the death certificate, a copy of my passport and a copy of our wedding certificate.  But ask the embassy, they are the ones who know.

For a few thousand baht, you can make a simple will with a lawyer’s help and include clear instructions about what you want done with your body/remains after death (burial, cremation, repatriation, etc.). This will greatly help your girlfriend/wife and/or the embassy.

27 minutes ago, lungbing said:

If you telephone the Consular Section at the British Embassy they will tell you what is required for them to issue a letter permitting cremation.  This can be done by email, I believe, so a trip to BKK is not required.  I suspect in my case it would just be a copy of the death certificate, a copy of my passport and a copy of our wedding certificate.  But ask the embassy, they are the ones who know.

There is a lot of info on the website.........https://www.prove-eligibility-foreign-government.service.gov.uk/letter-to-release-a-body-thailand/get-a-letter-to-release-a-body-in-thailand

2 hours ago, Will Iam Not said:

I do not think that the British Embassy holds MY fingerprints on file as I have never had them taken in UK. Or do you think that the Immigration would forward them to the Police and subsequently to the Embassy. Not feasible.

Why would Rescue People come to my house if I kick the bucket in bed at home?

The father of a friend recently died in Pattaya.  No fingerprints were taken. His son confirmed identity. Local Police and Amphur were informed. That was it, burned two days later

Sorry i am not looking for a fight,i was just saying what happened in the last few cases i dealt with here in Thailand.

Have a great day!

 

4 hours ago, Will Iam Not said:

Give it a rest Lou. My GF would inform the local people as I said earlier, then the Police would inform the Embassy. How long the British Embassy would take to allow the cremation is anyone's guess. Meanwhile, there's me lying in the refrigerated box borrowed from the Temple.

Personally I don't see why the embassy is involved with the cremation in the first place.

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