3 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

We will see what happens next year. The GQP will be going for Article 25 to save Vance, not that he has a chance in 28.

 Vance/Rubio will be 2028.  Possibly Desantis.  I prefer Rubio/Vance.

 

Democrets have absolutely nobody that can compete.

 

Go ahead, come back with Crockett, AOC, Walz.  ROTFLMAO

3 hours ago, stevenl said:

Why? I really don't get the obsession many here have with LGBTQ.

Can you point out the “obsession”?

 

I merely referenced some of Biden’s cabinet.  Facts, not fiction.

 

Why are you obsessed to the point of making your post?

An excerpt from a good editorial in the NY Times about the grand diminisment of Trump and MAGA. Thankfully. 

 

It has been a gruesome year for those who see Donald Trump’s kakistocracy clearly. He returned to office newly emboldened, surrounded by obsequious tech barons, seemingly in command of not just the country but also the zeitgeist. Since then, it’s been a parade of nightmares — armed men in balaclavas on the streets, migrants sent to a torture prison in El Salvador, corruption on a scale undreamed of by even the gaudiest third-world dictators and the shocking capitulation by many leaders in business, law, media and academia.

 

Trying to wrap one’s mind around the scale of civic destruction wrought in just 11 months stretches the limits of the imagination, like conceptualizing light-years or black holes.

 

And yet, as 2025 limps toward its end, there are reasons to be hopeful. In June, Trump’s military parade, meant as a display of dominance, was a flop, and simultaneous No Kings protests all over the country were huge and energetic.

 

Trump has thoroughly corrupted the Justice Department, but its selective prosecutions of his foes have been thwarted by judges and, more strikingly, by grand juries. Two grand juries refused to indict Letitia James, New York’s attorney general, whom the administration has accused of mortgage fraud, with no credible evidence.

 

After Sean Dunn, a Justice Department paralegal, tossed a sandwich at a Customs and Border Protection officer during a protest in Washington, the administration sent a team of agents in riot gear to arrest him. But grand jurors refused to indict him on a felony charge. Dunn was eventually charged with a misdemeanor, only to be acquitted by a jury. Jeanine Pirro, the former Fox News personality whom Trump made U.S. attorney in Washington, tried three times to secure a federal indictment for assault against a protester who struggled while being pushed against a wall by an immigration agent. Three times, grand juries refused.

Trump ends the year weak and unpopular, his coalition dispirited and riven by infighting. Democrats dominated in the November elections.

 

Much of the credit for the reinvigoration of the resistance belongs to Trump himself. Had he focused his deportation campaign on criminals or refrained from injuring the economy with haphazard tariffs while mocking concerns about affordability, he would probably have remained a more formidable figure.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/26/opinion/trump-weaker-resistance-stronger.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Indeed, already 2 attempts and he has been in office less than a year.

And 3 woke liberals think that comment is funny? Delusional or deranged or both? 

1 hour ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

“Trump does Putin’s bidding “

 

I asked for proof but as expected you have none.  Just leftists delusional comments.

 

As a former POTUS , Trump had the authority to hold the documents.  Kept in a secure place.

 

Biden, the VP had no authority to have those documents in his personal possession.  Under the Corvette that he is unable to drive anymore.  Very secure.

 

You got nothing.

He had no authority at all as was clearly stated in the Smith report. Biden found his documents and immediately returned them, Trump obstructed the investigation. You have nothing but Trumps farts in your face.

50 minutes ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

Vance/Rubio will be 2028.  Possibly Desantis.  I prefer Rubio/Vance.

Democrets have absolutely nobody that can compete.

Go ahead, come back with Crockett, AOC, Walz.  ROTFLMAO

Actually I prefer Vance and McClain - and then Lisa McClain becomes the first women POTUS - that would drive the woke liberals even more insane than they already are about Trump beating two of their women.  Lets face it - given that the Dems could not win with a woman twice, and with all the illegals removed and no more coming, and the crack-downs happening with the corrupted voting systems, the chances of Dems winning for many years is remote. 

8 hours ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

As a former POTUS , Trump had the authority to hold the documents.  Kept in a secure place.

Both claims not true.

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Both claims not true.

Off course they are not true.  

21 hours ago, jvs said:

The difference is Joe Biden had good people running the show, 

 Who are these good people you speak of who ran the show?  

20 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Evidence ??

 

All kinds, but you will never hear about it watching Faux News.

17 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Who, in a position to say that with evidence, said that?   AN posters don't count.

 

Medical experts.  You will never hear about it on Faux News.

 

 

12 minutes ago, shdmn said:

 

All kinds, but you will never hear about it watching Faux News.

 

"All kinds"........OK now's your chance to provide some........??

8 minutes ago, mikeymike100 said:

 

"All kinds"........OK now's your chance to provide some........??

I'm not here to do google searches for you.  It's not like you actually care about the truth anyways since you claim to have not heard anything about it.

 

2 minutes ago, shdmn said:

I'm not here to do google searches for you.

You said 'All kinds' so its up to you to provide some!

That's Debate 101 and logic forever:
"You made the positive claim → you back it up."

You can't produce any?  Speaks volumes.😅

12 hours ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

j keep burying you with facts.  I’m happy.

You don't even know where an "I" is on your phone keyboard............🤣

12 hours ago, Rocky Sullivan said:

I know you’re daft but didn’t know you were that daft.  While my Vespa was being detailed where would you have suggested I wait?  Try to impress us from your tree of knowledge.

 

If I were a betting man I would put my money on over 80 (your age).  A slam dunk.

You would, because you are a guesser, no facts, and it looks like another day of trolling from the troll expert, sadly....

1 hour ago, shdmn said:

 

Medical experts.  You will never hear about it on Faux News.

 

 

Very few medical experts dare to make comments about Trump's health unless they say he is in excellent health.  They are well aware of his vindicativeness.  Witness his threats to rescind the licenses of some major news networks.

7 hours ago, shdmn said:

On 12/26/2025 at 3:11 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Who, in a position to say that with evidence, said that?   AN posters don't count.

 

Medical experts. 

Quote those medical experts who have access to Trump's records, then.

This is a discussion forum, not a court of law.

Obviously medical experts that have access to Trump's mind and body are not going to tell us the truth if there is anything very negative or remotely disqualifying to remain in office.

So as the most famous person in the world, people that do have medical backgrounds are sharing their opinions on what can be observed.

In any case, both his physical and mental decline are totally obvious to any honest observer. Obviously the honest part doesn't include those in the maga cult

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Obviously medical experts that have access to Trump's mind and body are not going to tell us the truth if there is anything very negative or remotely disqualifying to remain in office.

 

Nor should they

11 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

 

Nor should they

I disagree.

Any president is meant under the constitution to be a servant of the people.

The people are not meant to be her subjects.

She has access to the nuclear codes.

The people deserve to know whether any president remains fit to serve.

I consider opposing that to be a very anti-constitution anti-American POV. 

America is not about having a one man dictator or total monarch.

An unfit to serve president can be removed via Article 25.

Unfortunately. way too many Americans never received an education in civics and good citizenship. 

All those brave boys who accuse others of treason really don't know much about the subject. 

The U.S. Constitution defines treason narrowly in Article III, Section 3, as "levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort," requiring conviction by two witnesses to the same "overt act" or a confession in open court, with Congress determining punishment but preventing forfeiture of family property (attainder) beyond the traitor's life, all to prevent abuse of power. The last person convicted of treason was in 1952.

What you really mean is, I really don't like these people and hope they suffer, but not for treason.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I disagree.

Any president is meant under the constitution to be a servant of the people.

The people are not meant to be her subjects.

She has access to the nuclear codes.

The people deserve to know whether any president remains fit to serve.

I consider opposing that to be a very anti-constitution anti-American POV. 

America is not about having a one man dictator or total monarch.

An unfit to serve president can be removed via Article 25.

Unfortunately. way too many Americans never received an education in civics and good citizenship. 

 

Define "Fit to Serve". There is no such definition. The VP has no idea what that means.

 

You give ammunition to America's enemies. Some things should be kept in smoke filled rooms. Imagine how the Cold War would have turned out if the Commies sensed weakness from Reagan after he was shot etc, and the internal memos expressing concern for his fitness.

 

All US Presidents have been male to date Not sure what point you are trying to prove.

 

Section 4  of the 25th Amendment sets a high bar. A majority of the cabinet and the Vice President has to vote on it. Or a Disability Review Panel has be be set up, either approved by the President or supported by two thirds of the House and Senate. Once invoked, the VP takes over. Unless the President says "I am not ga ga", which goes through unless both the VP and Cabinet object or the Disability Review Panel objects. Its fanciful to suggest any of that will happen. The Coup will be over and there will be a purge.

 

It fails because a Cognition test (MiniMental, MoCa)is not a pass or fail; there is interpretation required, and doctors will disagree. There is no standard that has been established about what level of cognition does a President require. Is a sharp memory a requirement, in an era of advisors. Does getting lost on the way to the toilet stop you from making critical decisions. The 25th Amendment contains no definition of "inability". A legal definition of mental capacity is pretty loose.

 

You certainly shouldn't be shouting for removal of a President (irrespective of who that President is) based on tests that the medical community know are deeply flawed and which are largely misunderstood by people such as yourself. So what do you conclude if the President has a problem with his cognition test? If you were a doctor, and used that to conclude the patient has a neurological problem such as dementia, you will be struck off. And do you think because someone who "does well" in a cognition test they do not have dementia. You'd be wrong on that score as well.

 

No Vice President in history has sufficient understand of mental health and aging to draw any kind of conclusion  about medical fitness.

 

And Presidents still have a right to medical privacy, like you.

 

Calling for permanent medical panels to be constituted to monitor, and remove from office, Presidents, gets quite close to fascistic Technocracy, which advocates the abolition of democracy, in favour of government by experts, or technocrats. Google who was raised as a Technocrat. You wouldn't his sort to be put in effective charge.

 

America has has 250 years of Presidents, some of whom have struggled in office with all sorts of health challenges, right from the start. A dementia-riddled President is not going to blow up the world. Americans talk about the "Swamp". The British talk about the "Establishment". Its the "Establishment" that ensures we all, or most of us, will wake up tomorrow. But if they don't, we wouldn't know anything about it.

 

 

 

 

The reality is the Vice President exists to support the President; democracy would be damaged if Vice Presidents plotted coups based on maybe their shaky understanding of biology. Did you know bladder cancer and TB can cause dementia like symptoms? These are transient things. Symptoms subside when treatment commences. Do you remove a president from office because he's on antibiotics? While the President cannot fire the Vice President, he can fire the rest of the cabinet whenever he likes, and without  any reason. The Oversight Commission on Presidential Capacity Act has not been passed into law, and I think it never will.

Honestly can't vote either way on this. As long as he is doing what his controllers want he'll be kept in place no matter what. Remember Yeltsin anyone?

His Presidency has another 3 years though and he is showing severe signs of physical and cognitive decline. It's not without the realms of possibility that he could just drop dead. He's not in good health however many imaginary health tests he claims to 'ace'. If he does retire Vance is waiting in the wings young and hungry and possibly far more dangerous. 

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If they let him finish, Im sure he will, he is like a kid having a ball every day

 

https://www.facebook.com/reel/1188862740117591?fs=e&fs=e

 

 

 

17 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Cat got your tongue?

Couldn’t get the link to work.

 

Dragged down by an unpopular president, Republicans are bracing for a midterm trouncing.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2025/dec/27/trump-republicans-midterm-elections-approval-rating

 

 

10 hours ago, Chutney said:

Honestly can't vote either way on this. As long as he is doing what his controllers want he'll be kept in place no matter what. Remember Yeltsin anyone?

His Presidency has another 3 years though and he is showing severe signs of physical and cognitive decline. It's not without the realms of possibility that he could just drop dead. He's not in good health however many imaginary health tests he claims to 'ace'. If he does retire Vance is waiting in the wings young and hungry and possibly far more dangerous. 

Trump and Vance are BOTH very dangerous but in different ways.

Vance actually has an ideology and it's an explicitly anti-democracy one (techno nerd "elites" oligarch dictatorship). Trump's ideology is his narcissism.

Vance becoming president before the end of Trump's term which I view as PROBABLE will be a huge break for him to consolidate power.  I don't believe he could ever get elected in a fair democratic election. 

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump and Vance are BOTH very dangerous but in different ways.

Vance actually has an ideology and it's an explicitly anti-democracy one (techno nerd "elites" oligarch dictatorship). Trump's ideology is his narcissism.

Vance becoming president before the end of Trump's term which I view as PROBABLE will be a huge break for him to consolidate power.  I don't believe he could ever get elected in a fair democratic election. 

Emerson has Vance +5

So how will he exit during his first term, if he does?
I think it will most likely be health related (or that used as an excuse anyway).

Assuming the midterms proceed somewhat normally (sadly we can't assume that) it's clear the democrats will take back the house and maybe even the senate.

So then what?

Trump gets impeached obviously by the house.

But will he be convicted with 60 votes in the senate?

This time, maybe.

The senate just passed a law asserting the illegality of Trump changing the name of the MEMORIAL building to JFK with a veto proof OVER 60 votes!

That's a sign that they might convict.

That won't be fun for Trump. So he might resign (health reasons) to avoid that.