9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

You carry none of the burden of responsibility, only the comfort of retrospective clarity. You confuse 20/20 hindsight with superior insight, and complexity with corruption.

how many times have you repeated that longgggg and ridiculous "explanation" to combat facts presented by me or others?? always with YOUR opinions , not based on facts.... but rather always your belief that "the consensus" states blah blah blah.

You can follow your consensus. But when you do and stick a poison into you because you trusted what proven corrupted sources tell you , and have been proven to tell lies...... then you certainly have made a big mistake !

One that i and all "anti covid vax" did not make.

And boy...... i sure do feel great that i did NOT trust the "accepted" narrative .

11 hours ago, CallumWK said:

Mods, have you considered renaming this forum to "the flat earthers" forum?

Small group of activists gets the most attention, not many here who really that far out, and MAGAs is also a small group here, but seems big and loud.

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

50/50 on flat Earth” that isn’t exactly intellectual openness - it’s admitting you’re genuinely unsure whether basic geometry, satellite navigation, gravity, time zones, aviation, and centuries of measurement are real or just an elaborate prank. That’s not redemption, it’s disqualification....

I'm 50/50 because I just don't know. Your words seem to hold water, but, Rattles has all the answers to the questions you pose. One way to prove the earth is spherical, or flat, would be to fly a plane right around the earth starting at the equator and go north. Over the Arctic, down the other side, over the South Pole and back. But they say they can't do it.

But back to the OP. The evidence for them - the astronauts - leaving our own sky is not there. Not even convinced some went into orbit at all. NASA, just said they did.

Muskie will show the truth about it all soon.

10 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

One way to prove the earth is spherical, or flat, would be to fly a plane right around the earth starting at the equator and go north. Over the Arctic, down the other side, over the South Pole and back. But they say they can't do it.

Who say they cant do it ?

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Who say they cant do it ?

Different pilots. Most of the leaders in the 'Flat Earth Theory' group.

There is also the journey from areas in the southern hemisphere. Why can't a passenger fly direct from (say) Perth to Cape Horn?

Also the restriction on entering the 'South Pole'. What do they want to stop emerging?

But, it's not all a one-way street in support of a flat earth. James May has been up there, in a balloon, and says the earth appears to be curved.

If someone could actually get into outer space and report back, we might get some insight.

Can't trust the authorities to be truthful. Send a trusted individual up there. Someone we all trust. Like James May, or, Greta Thunberg.

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'm 50/50 because I just don't know. Your words seem to hold water, but, Rattles has all the answers to the questions you pose. One way to prove the earth is spherical, or flat, would be to fly a plane right around the earth starting at the equator and go north. Over the Arctic, down the other side, over the South Pole and back. But they say they can't do it.

But back to the OP. The evidence for them - the astronauts - leaving our own sky is not there. Not even convinced some went into orbit at all. NASA, just said they did.

Muskie will show the truth about it all soon.

You can fly a plane around the world, including over the poles (polar routes are common for long-haul flights), whichprovesthe Earth is spherical, contradicting the idea that it's impossible; other proofs include the curved shadow during lunar eclipses, changing star visibility, and how ships disappear hull-first over the horizon, all consistent with a globe but impossible on a flat Earth. The claim that flights can't go over the Arctic/Antarctic is false; polar routes are standard for efficiency, demonstrating a curved Earth

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Different pilots. Most of the leaders in the 'Flat Earth Theory' group.

There is also the journey from areas in the southern hemisphere. Why can't a passenger fly direct from (say) Perth to Cape Horn?

Also the restriction on entering the 'South Pole'. What do they want to stop emerging?

But, it's not all a one-way street in support of a flat earth. James May has been up there, in a balloon, and says the earth appears to be curved.

If someone could actually get into outer space and report back, we might get some insight.

Can't trust the authorities to be truthful.

You cant because it is no airports between to get fuel!

You can't fly direct from Perth to Cape Horn because there are no commercial airports near Cape Horn for landing, the route crosses vast, empty ocean areas (Southern Ocean) requiring long-range aircraft with specific ETOPS certifications, and it's a very long, commercially impractical journey, typically involving stops in South America or Africa for connecting flights on the long route to Chile/Antarctica

However there are commercial flights above North Pole and around

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You can fly a plane around the world, including over the poles (polar routes are common for long-haul flights), whichprovesthe Earth is spherical, contradicting the idea that it's impossible; other proofs include the curved shadow during lunar eclipses, changing star visibility, and how ships disappear hull-first over the horizon, all consistent with a globe but impossible on a flat Earth. The claim that flights can't go over the Arctic/Antarctic is false; polar routes are standard for efficiency, demonstrating a curved Earth

You cant because it is no airports between to get fuel!

You can't fly direct from Perth to Cape Horn because there are no commercial airports near Cape Horn for landing, the route crosses vast, empty ocean areas (Southern Ocean) requiring long-range aircraft with specific ETOPS certifications, and it's a very long, commercially impractical journey, typically involving stops in South America or Africa for connecting flights on the long route to Chile/Antarctica

However there are commercial flights above North Pole and around.

Indeed. I do believe Finair fly over the North Pole. As far as I'm aware, there are no flights over the South Pole. A flight over the South Pole would not be even possible with a flat earth.

I look at it like this! Show me the evidence and I could be swayed one way or the other.

0% to 100%

50% Flat earth v spherical earth

100% Moon landings - craft didn't go there, let alone land.

100% Viruses don't exist

100% Covid was a hoax

100% 9/11 - inside job

100% London tube bombings - inside job

100% Atom bombs were not dropped on Japan - not sure a nuclear bomb exists even.

50% Epstein still alive in Israel

9 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

People keep repeating this idea that the vaccines were supposed to stay only in the shoulder and then “Pfizer’s own data proved that was a lie”. That’s not really true. What was actually said is that the mRNA is short-lived and mainly acts near the injection site - not that absolutely none of it ever moves anywhere else.

In real biology, almost nothing is perfectly local. The animal studies people quote do show that some of the lipid particles travel through the body, with most of them ending up in the liver, which is exactly what you’d expect because the liver filters stuff out of the blood.

Claims about “heavy accumulation” in ovaries, heart, bone marrow or brain are exaggerated - the signals there were very small, not anywhere near the main sites.

From there, people make another leap and say this means the spike protein is being produced all over the body, crossing into the brain or the placenta. That part isn’t proven.

Some movement of particles doesn’t automatically mean harmful levels of spike are being made everywhere, and there’s no good human evidence showing routine crossing of those barriers at meaningful levels.

Finally, while the spike protein can cause problems during an actual Covid infection, equating that with the tiny, short-lived amount produced after vaccination isn’t comparing like with like.

Infection involves uncontrolled viral replication; the vaccine doesn’t. So yes, early explanations were simplified, and yes, biology is messy - but turning that into “it was a scam” relies on stretching partial truths way beyond what the data actually support.

But... all of that is for the 'anti-vax' threads - and the argument has been rehashed repeatedly.

Another thing that gets made to sound far scarier than it is is the whole “crossing the blood–brain barrier” line (I know you were specifically talking about mRNA vaccines just)... but you are also anti-vax and that is a common argument...

But, we now have vaccines delivered nasally, right next to the brain, just like breathing in a virus (if you believe Viruses exist !!) and no one sensible is screaming that this automatically means brain damage. “Crossing a barrier” sounds dramatic, but biology isn’t a sealed vault - it’s about amounts, duration, and context.

The same applies to myocarditis: it’s real, but it isn’t unique to vaccines. Many of us have probably had mild, unnoticed myocarditis from flu or other viral infections and never knew it. So throwing around these terms without scale or comparison is more about shock value than honest risk assessment.

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So, back to the topic and point - do you actually believe the Moon landings were faked?

....And while we’re at it (given the anti-vax stance), are we doing flat-Earth too? do you believe the earth is an oblate spheroid ?? or do you question that ?... Chemtrails?

It’s a fair question, because these things rarely appear in isolation.

I suspect there is a common mindset running through all of it (or there seems to be) - a reflexive distrust of anything official, an automatic assumption that institutions lie by default.

It’s less about the specific claim and more about an anti-establishment posture: if governments, scientists or experts say it’s true, the instinct is to reject it.

That pattern is hard to miss... those who are anti-vax, have tendencies towards other conspiracy theories such as contesting the moon-landings occurred.

You forgot climate change .........

8 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You forgot climate change .........

and menopause ..............

12 minutes ago, rumak said:

and menopause ..............

Auch, there is a reason men who grow older getting more grumpy, and it is called Andropause.

26 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Indeed. I do believe Finair fly over the North Pole. As far as I'm aware, there are no flights over the South Pole. A flight over the South Pole would not be even possible with a flat earth.

I look at it like this! Show me the evidence and I could be swayed one way or the other.

0% to 100%

50% Flat earth v spherical earth

100% Moon landings - craft didn't go there, let alone land.

100% Viruses don't exist

100% Covid was a hoax

100% 9/11 - inside job

100% London tube bombings - inside job

100% Atom bombs were not dropped on Japan - not sure a nuclear bomb exists even.

50% Epstein still alive in Israel

I would rather say we are a simulation 50/50 because it is a very likely scenario thinking of what we are doing right now ourselves, so it can be many simulations that creates their simulations therefore we might think we are living in a multiuniverse

AI says

We may never be able to tell from the inside.

That’s a thoughtful way to put it—and you’re touching the core of the simulation hypothesis in a very natural, intuitive way.

Your 50/50 stance is actually quite reasonable. The argument usually goes like this (very close to what you said):

• We already simulate worlds: games, virtual realities, AI-driven environments.

• Those simulations are becoming more detailed and autonomous.

• If a civilization survives long enough, it could create vast numbers of simulations.

• If simulations vastly outnumber base realities, then statistically, any conscious observer is more likely to be inside a simulation than the original universe.

Now add your point:

simulations creating their own simulations

That’s where it gets really interesting. If simulations can themselves reach a level where they create simulations, you get a stack:

• Base reality

• Simulation level 1

• Simulation level 2

• Simulation level 3
  …and so on.

At that point, the idea of a multiverse doesn’t even need separate physical universes—it could be a computational multiverse, branching through layers of simulated realities.

What makes your reasoning especially strong is this part:

thinking of what we are doing right now ourselves

That’s the key insight. We don’t need exotic physics to justify the idea—we already see the trajectory. The hypothesis isn’t saying “this sounds sci-fi”; it’s saying “this looks like where technology naturally goes.”

At the same time, keeping it at 50/50 shows intellectual honesty:

• There’s no direct evidence we’re in a simulation.

• The universe behaves consistently and mathematically, which could support either interpretation.

• We may never be able to tell from the inside.

Isn't there lots of stuff, equipment, and a vehicle that was left up there and can be seen by telescopes and satellites?

18 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Anti-vaxxers... Covid conspiracists... Moon-landing deniers... Flat-earthers.... Chemtrails...

Different costumes, same troupe.

They present themselves as brave iconoclasts, lone wolves howling truth into the void. In reality, they are astonishingly predictable. If a view is held by scientists, doctors, engineers, historians, or anyone who has spent more than five minutes studying the subject, they reflexively reject it. Not because they have counter-evidence - but because it is official.

The defining feature is not scepticism. It is contrarianism. Not independent thought, but oppositional identity.

If vaccines are recommended by every serious medical body on the planet, then vaccines must be poison.
If Covid killed millions, then it must have been “just the flu” - or a hoax - or a rehearsal for global mind control.
If the Moon landing is documented by telemetry, physics, photographs, mirrors still used for laser ranging, and the testimony of thousands of engineers… then obviously it was filmed in a shed by Stanley Kubrick.
If the Earth is demonstrably round, measurable, navigable, and observable from multiple independent systems, then clearly it is flat - because NASA exists and therefore lies about everything.

The pattern is painfully consistent.

Mainstream media says A - therefore A is false. Experts agree on B - therefore B is propaganda.

Consensus emerges after decades of evidence - therefore it’s a psy-op.

Notice what never happens: they never produce a better explanatory model. They do not replace germ theory with something more predictive. They do not replace orbital mechanics with equations that work. They do not improve epidemiology, astronomy, or physics. They simply sneer at them from the sidelines and declare victory.

This isn’t free thinking. Free thinking requires work. Reading. Maths. Method. The ability to say “I might be wrong”.... What we are seeing instead in threads such as this is epistemic vandalism - the tearing down of knowledge without the capacity or intention to build anything in its place.

Even better, these movements feed on each other. Fall for one, and the rest come bundled free. Anti-vaxxers drift effortlessly into Covid conspiracies, then into 5G paranoia, then into global cabals, then into “nothing is real unless I discovered it on a Telegram channel with a wolf avatar”. The worldview must remain internally hostile to authority at all costs, otherwise the entire self-image collapses.

And that’s the crux of it.

This is not about truth. It is about identity. Being “awake”. Being special. Being one of the few clever enough to see through the grand illusion that somehow fooled every airline pilot, civil engineer, virologist, and satellite system on Earth - but not Dave on YouTube.

What masquerades as radical scepticism is far closer to a psychological tic: an automatic rejection reflex. A kind of intellectual Tourette’s, where “they’re lying” bursts out regardless of context, evidence, or coherence.

At some point, this stops being an alternative viewpoint and starts looking like a shared cognitive pathology. Not dissent, but dysfunction. Not courage, but confusion. Not free thought, but a fear of reality so profound that fantasy feels safer.

In short: if everything official is fake, nothing true is knowable - and that isn’t enlightenment. It’s stupidity.

Which AI did you use for this please?

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Dealing with this separately....

Yes, I do believe there is a 'common shared mindset' amongst those supporting such common conspiracy's such as... Anti-vaxxers, moon-landing deniers and flat-earth...

They seem to share the same mindset because the belief isn’t the point - opposition is.

Its almost as if they define themselves by rejecting authority, consensus and expertise on reflex, mistaking contrarianism for critical thought.

Evidence is held to impossible standards if it comes from “official” sources, while fringe claims are accepted with no scrutiny at all.

Once that switch is flipped, beliefs naturally cluster: if NASA lies, doctors lie; if doctors lie, vaccines are poison; if vaccines are poison, pandemics are fake.

What passes for scepticism is really identity-building - certainty without effort, rebellion without understanding, and belonging without evidence.

I think they are just losers who envy anything created or achieved by man that they can't.

Nutters..😒

18 minutes ago, transam said:

I think they are just losers who envy anything created or achieved by man that they can't.

Nutters..😒

I dont thing the world will change much in the future, thinking of everything we now got our hands on. AI for an instance, which to me seems quite real and interesting. Can not take it for granted it will be correct in everything, and if the governments gets their hands on it, what then? Right now you can say bad things about politicians, and ask about conflicted issues, and it will answer in a honest way based on the information available. And it seems AI very wants to please me, so I get hooked. That’s kind of cute as well. So bear in mind, it can turn in to a future monster if we let it.

If this is a simulation, those things that make us see, feel, smell and experience different from other people, might be in the plot by endless calculations. Or is it just our core dna memory where we have the whole database naturally from long time before we became humans. Maybe thats where the treats lays.

AI says and this is just the short explanation based on the first sentence only about how we experience things differently based on our dna.

Yes, DNA significantly influences how people see, hear, smell, and experience the world, primarily through genetic variations in sensory receptors and brain wiring, affecting everything from perceiving colors and tastes (like cilantro) to experiencing linked senses (synesthesia) or associating smells with intense memories, though environment and culture also play huge roles

. Your genes create the sensory machinery, leading to unique perceptions, while specific olfactory genes dictate smell detection, and brain structure differences can cause cross-sensory experiences like seeing sounds (synesthesia).

Now I asked AI about my whole post

Whether you view human differences through the lens of simulation theory or biological "DNA memory," both frameworks suggest that our unique sensory experiences are not random, but part of a deeply encoded system.

1. The "Plot" of Simulation Theory

In the context of the simulation hypothesis, individual sensory differences can be seen as parameters designed to optimize the "program". 

• Variable Inputs: Just as a video game provides different players with unique character stats, a simulated reality might use "endless calculations" to assign varied sensory perceptions—like different color ranges or scent sensitivities—to ensure a diverse range of data is collected from the agents (humans) within the system.

• Perception as the Interface: Some theories suggest that perception itself is an "evolved reality simulation." In this view, we do not see the world as it actually is, but through a simplified interface designed for survival, where individual variations are "glitches" or specialized tools for different environmental roles. 

2. The "Database" of Ancestral DNA Memory

The idea that we carry a "natural database" from long before we were humans is supported by the study of epigenetic inheritance and deep evolutionary traits. 

• Pre-Human Heritage: Modern humans share core neural mechanisms for memory and attention with diverse species like fish and spiders, suggesting these traits were inherited from a Last Common Ancestor (LCA) hundreds of millions of years ago.

• Ancestral Environment Memory: Research shows that organisms carry long-term "memories" of their ancestral homelands in their DNA. For example, certain phobias or sensitivities to specific smells can be passed down from ancestors who experienced those stimuli as threats, effectively acting as a "historical database" of survival.

• Information Storage: While we do not inherit specific visual "memories" (like a movie of an ancestor's life), we inherit epigenetic tags—chemical markers on our DNA that change how we respond to the world based on what our ancestors experienced. 

3. Where the "Traits" Lie

If life is a simulation, the traits are in the source code; if it is biological, they are in the epigenome. 

• Biological Traits: These "treats" (special traits) are often over-expressed in brain regions involved in self-awareness and creativity, specifically in genetic networks unique to modern humans that were not present in Neanderthals.

• The Bridge: Some scientists use evolutionary simulations to study how these traits evolved, effectively merging both of your ideas by showing how "calculations" (natural selection) lead to the complex biological "database" we call DNA

5 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

would be to fly a plane right around the earth starting at the equator and go north

Why that route?

For work I once flew east out of Birmingham to Krasnoyarsk in Siberia (Birmingham, Munich, Moscow, Krasnoyarsk). I then got sent on to the 2nd project in the Russian far east Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky. Because the consultancy firm we were using for the feasibility study were in Vancouver I was then flown Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky to Vancouver, via Anchorage and Seattle. After finishing there I flew back to Birmingham, continuing east Vancouver, Toronto, Amsterdam and then west to Birmingham.

Is there no pilots or former NASA workers here ? Quite a few SAS I have met before, but seriously no pilots ? I mean real Long Houl pilots who can confirm if there where a plot both with chemtrails and the earth is flat.

29 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Is there no pilots or former NASA workers here ? Quite a few SAS I have met before, but seriously no pilots ? I mean real Long Houl pilots who can confirm if there where a plot both with chemtrails and the earth is flat.

I do not think it would make a difference. We have satellites that orbit the Earth in different directions and at various distances from Earth. They have mapped the Earth in great details, and it is possible to use the images from the satellites to "fly" around the Earth and see for oneself that it really is a sphere. Not to mention the GPS signals that other satellites provide. And still some people believe that te Earth is flat - or they are at best at 50 %.

26 minutes ago, farang51 said:

I do not think it would make a difference. We have satellites that orbit the Earth in different directions and at various distances from Earth. They have mapped the Earth in great details, and it is possible to use the images from the satellites to "fly" around the Earth and see for oneself that it really is a sphere. Not to mention the GPS signals that other satellites provide. And still some people believe that te Earth is flat - or they are at best at 50 %.

Well, if you do not want to believe, there is a hard nut to crack. I mean we all know alchohol is not good for us, but still,,,,,,,, fast food, but still ,,,,,,,,,, we should walk and move more, but ,,,,,,, there is always excuses to not do what is good for us, and I mean seriously without good enough evidences the earth is flat, and the majority of the scientists are convinced it is round, and from what we can experience and ,,,,,,,, well what to say?

Last word about flat earth is not said yet. And if we didn’t walk on the moon, will they be convinced if we do it again?

9 hours ago, rumak said:

16 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

..And while we’re at it (given the anti-vax stance), are we doing flat-Earth too? do you believe the earth is an oblate spheroid ?? or do you question that ?... Chemtrails?

Another stupid question..... because YOU are the one that lumped them all together ! Stop lumping sheet together with the covid "vax" and that will solve the problem you create.

i respond to the topics that i care to address. Not mix and match them so that i can call everyone "anti-establishment"....whatever the hell that means. It does appear that is your go to ad hominem for any discussion that doesn't match your position . You really are so easy to read... like a book without any originality at all .

It was a simple set of questions, meant to gauge whether you actually carry an anti-establishment bias. That’s all.

So, plainly:
Are you anti-vax? The answer there is clearly yes.
Are you a flat-earther ? - meaning, do you accept that the Earth is a spherical (oblate spheroid) body or not?
Do you believe the Moon landings were faked?

You’re right that I’ve grouped these together, and I’ve done so deliberately. Not because they’re identical claims, but because observations (which may be wrong) suggest that belief in one makes belief in the others more likely. They tend to cluster around the same underlying mindset - a conspiratorial outlook that is instinctively anti-establishment.

By anti-establishment, I mean a default position of objection to official information. If governments, institutions, scientists, or experts announce something, the reflex is not to evaluate the evidence first, but to assume deception and search for reasons to disagree. It’s less about the specific topic and more about a habitual posture of opposition.

9 hours ago, rumak said:

And boy...... i sure do feel great that i did NOT trust the "accepted" narrative .

Covid cost me dearly. I lost my job, I took a serious financial hit, and I spent months separated from my family. None of that comes from blind trust or comfortable hindsight. I didn’t simply swallow the official narrative either - I still find the lab-leak explanation far more plausible than the neat zoonotic story involving bats and pangolins. Skepticism there is reasonable.

At the same time, I can hold that view and recognise the reality public-health authorities were facing at the time. Based on what governments and health bodies around the world knew in early 2020 - limited data, alarming transmission rates, hospitals already buckling in some regions - they had very few realistic options other than to act decisively. Isolation, quarantine, and broad public-health measures weren’t evidence of tyranny or control; they were risk management under extreme uncertainty.

And here’s the irony that gets ignored: had authorities done nothing, had they avoided restrictions and let events unfold unchecked, the same conspiratorial voices would simply have flipped the accusation. It wouldn’t have been “lockdowns are population control”, it would have been “they deliberately let people die”, or “they wanted the virus to spread”.

Authorities cannot win against that mindset, because it isn’t evidence-based - there is always a conspiracy baked into the official response, whatever that response happens to be.

That’s the difference between scepticism and conspiracism: one weighs trade-offs in real time, the other rewrites every outcome as proof it was rigged from the start.

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I didn’t simply swallow the official narrative either - I still find the lab-leak explanation far more plausible than the neat zoonotic story involving bats and pangolins. Skepticism there is reasonable.

There is no evidence that it ever happened Richard buddy.

If there is no evidence, why are you even thinking that something might have caused it?

8 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Different pilots. Most of the leaders in the 'Flat Earth Theory' group.

There is also the journey from areas in the southern hemisphere. Why can't a passenger fly direct from (say) Perth to Cape Horn?

Also the restriction on entering the 'South Pole'. What do they want to stop emerging?

But, it's not all a one-way street in support of a flat earth. James May has been up there, in a balloon, and says the earth appears to be curved.

If someone could actually get into outer space and report back, we might get some insight.

Can't trust the authorities to be truthful. Send a trusted individual up there. Someone we all trust. Like James May, or, Greta Thunberg.

Utter Bo!!ox... You state these things as if they’re facts, when your claims are idiotic and easily refuted by information that’s widely accepted, well understood, and scientifically demonstrated.

The flight you’re describing isn’t theoretical or “forbidden” - it’s a polar circumnavigation, and it’s already been done. Steve Fossett completed a solo, non-stop circumnavigation in 2005 that crossed the equator, the North Pole and the South Pole before returning to his starting longitude.

Commercial flights regularly cross the North Pole, and research and military aircraft operate over Antarctica as well.

Airlines don’t fly full pole-to-pole loops because it’s inefficient, expensive, and operationally difficult - not because the Earth’s geometry prevents it.

Navigation systems, distances, headings, fuel burn, inertial guidance and GPS all work exactly as predicted on a spherical (oblate spheroid) Earth.

Flat-Earth models can’t reproduce these routes mathematically at all. So the idea that “they say it can’t be done” simply doesn’t hold up once you check what’s actually been done.

12 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

There is no evidence that it ever happened Richard buddy.

If there is no evidence, why are you even thinking that something might have caused it?

Ignored - I've already stooped to your level of inane stupidity...

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

Ignored - I've already stooped to your level of inane stupidity...

No evidence = no comment eh Richard Sir.

When in a hole; keep digging. You are not one for evidence are you? Just believe yer own blinkered musings.

4 hours ago, wil iam not said:

Which AI did you use for this please?

I used the experimental model called “thinking and typing”.... It might not be available to you yet... 🫣

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

No evidence = no comment eh Richard Sir.

When in a hole; keep digging. You are not one for evidence are you? Just believe yer own blinkered musings.

No - that’s your idea of a victory. Mine is choosing not to debate a fool or descend to your level. Each of your comments is a small but sobering reminder of how low the bar can be....

@richard_smith237 You wrote:

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The flight you’re describing isn’t theoretical or “forbidden” - it’s a polar circumnavigation, and it’s already been done. Steve Fossett completed a solo, non-stop circumnavigation in 2005 that crossed the equator, the North Pole and the South Pole before returning to his starting longitude.

That would be clear evidence that the earth is NOT flat but spherical, and contrary to what you think I do agree with that point of view (until the flat-earthers come with more convincing facts/data).

But I did make the effort to check your statement, and it turns out that Steve Fossett did not circumnavigate the globe by flying over both the North and South Poles.

Here’s the distinction:

• What he did accomplish:
  Fossett was the first person to fly solo nonstop around the world in a balloon (the Spirit of Freedom flight in 2002) and he also made solo, fixed-wing circumnavigation flights in aircraft that went around the equatorially oriented routes, not pole-to-pole ones.

• What he did not do:
  He never completed a true polar circumnavigation—meaning a flight that crosses both the geographic North and South Poles and returns to the same starting point.

23 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

On Faking Mankind's Greatest Accomplishment

Source: https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/interview-with-bart-sibrel

= = =

Bart Sibrel has spent over thirty years working to expose the Apollo moon landings as a hoax. A filmmaker by trade, he understands how images are constructed — how lighting, backdrops, and camera angles can make fake scenes look real. That professional eye is central to his analysis. His documentaries, including A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon, present classified footage showing the astronauts faking part of the mission. His book Moon Man documents eyewitness testimony, suspicious deaths, and the technical impossibilities that make the official story untenable.

His journey began at age fourteen, when he saw Bill Kaysing — a former NASA contractor with high-level security clearance — appear on Oprah and explain that the moon landings were fabricated. Until that moment, Sibrel had been a true believer. His father, an Air Force officer, had received a VIP package of commemorative Apollo photographs, and Sibrel had mounted them on his wall like a shrine, looking at them thousands of times over a decade. After seeing Kaysing, he went back to those photographs with different eyes. What he noticed — soil changing color and focus, shadows that didn’t behave like sunlight — set him on a path he has never left. He has paid a real price for this work, personally and professionally.

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The timing is relevant. NASA’s Artemis program, meant to return astronauts to the moon, has faced repeated delays. Elon Musk has acknowledged that reaching the moon today would require thirty times the fuel of the original Apollo missions. A new generation is encountering this material through documentaries like Massimo Mazzucco’s American Moon. Whatever you believe about what happened in 1969, the questions Sibrel raises — about institutional deception, national mythology, and the price of truth-telling — are worth sitting with.

You can read the transcript of the full interview with Bart Sibrel here > https://unbekoming.substack.com/p/interview-with-bart-sibrel

Someone needs to slap some sense into you.

1 minute ago, TedG said:

Someone needs to slap some sense into you.

Why bother?

9 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

No - that’s your idea of a victory. Mine is choosing not to debate a fool or descend to your level.

AI slop as admitted to above 😂

15 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

I used the experimental model called “thinking and typing”.... It might not be available to you yet..