3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

As I suspected from the start, the entire premise of this topic is to be yet another platform to attract the endless supply of Jew haters to spew their garbage.

Perhaps Mrs. Kirk's intention but not mine.

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

And Jews then handed him over to the Romans .............and the Romans killed killed .

Romans choice and Romans carried it out

If you feel comfortable with that ending of Jesus, you are free to believe that. Im not even religious, Im more interested in the historical aspect of the religions.

Every religion have killed someone for their beliefs, be it minorities or whatever politics for the time being saw necessary and carried out murders. Happens today as well, but Im sure you are aware of that.

Jesus was a buddhist and a communist by all reports. My kind of guy.

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

If you feel comfortable with that ending of Jesus, you are free to believe that. Im not even religious, Im more interested in the historical aspect of the religions.

Every religion have killed someone for their beliefs, be it minorities or whatever politics for the time being saw necessary and carried out murders. Happens today as well, but Im sure you are aware of that.

So, what is your version of events ?

One thing about Jesus that we do know for a fact.

The Jews killed Jesus trope has been used for thousands of years to rile up people to persecute and murder Jews

I see this topic as a cynical ploy to inflame that age old excuse yet again.

On 2/21/2026 at 8:46 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

[Opinion. As I understand it, the reason America's evangelical "Christians' revere Israel and worship Jerusalem is because... If there is not a State of Israel in the world when Armageddon comes, these Xians won't be raptured. Boo-effing-whoo, eh!]

Antisemitism?

Erika Kirk, widow of slain right-wing preacher, Charlie Kirk, doesn’t hate Jews.

She just thinks they should be Christian.

Bob Milgrim, an audience member whose daughter Sarah was killed in an act of horrific antisemitic violence in May, asked Kirk to condemn antisemitism, Holocaust denial, and anti-Zionism.

This was reasonable. Also odd. Why ask about an antisemitic hate crime when the topic is political violence, occasioned by the assassination of Kirk’s non-Jewish husband Charlie, a Christian nationalist?

“I will pray for you,” she said to Milgram. “It sucks, doesn’t it? Hate is hate.”

Why not start a thread :

Why don't Christians love Mohmmed ,Daddy ?

On 2/21/2026 at 6:26 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

Sorry, not baiting. Merely quoting the Kirk missus.

You're baiting. Own it.

If you think this is bait, you must be my fish. Own it.

Don't like what I post, don't look!

"He's not the Messiah, he's just a very naughty boy!"

On 2/21/2026 at 12:46 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

[Opinion. As I understand it, the reason America's evangelical "Christians' revere Israel and worship Jerusalem is because... If there is not a State of Israel in the world when Armageddon comes, these Xians won't be raptured. Boo-effing-whoo, eh!]

Antisemitism?

Erika Kirk, widow of slain right-wing preacher, Charlie Kirk, doesn’t hate Jews.

She just thinks they should be Christian.

Bob Milgrim, an audience member whose daughter Sarah was killed in an act of horrific antisemitic violence in May, asked Kirk to condemn antisemitism, Holocaust denial, and anti-Zionism.

This was reasonable. Also odd. Why ask about an antisemitic hate crime when the topic is political violence, occasioned by the assassination of Kirk’s non-Jewish husband Charlie, a Christian nationalist?

“I will pray for you,” she said to Milgram. “It sucks, doesn’t it? Hate is hate.”

Well, maybe you are talking about Christian Zionism that is more related to Judeo Freemasonry and the building of the third temple.

19 hours ago, Yagoda said:

I love the way the thought of Jewish people just consumes some of the lesser elements of society. Some folks always hate their betters.

Just what is it that makes some folk better than others? Should we start a list!?

and Frodo threw the ring into the magma

The bigger question might be why do so many people in the world allow themselves to be brainwashed with myths. In many countries it starts with santa claus or the easter bunny or tooth faries....teach the kids that there is a big fat guy who flies around the world in a magic sled and delivers toys to all the good little boys and girls...or that the tooth fairy will sneak into your room and but a dollar under your pillow for a rotten tooth...or the easter bunny will bring you a chocolate egg?

Eventually most kids by ten or so figure out its all a load of lies but by then the churches have gotten hold of them to indoctrinate them on an even more fantasy myth about coming back from the dead, or virgins for martyrs or you name it. And for some inexpicable reason these kids who when they learned to think on their own rejected the fat guy in the magic sled buy into the bigger fantasies and then often hate those who don't believe any of it.

If you were born in america you most likely were indoctrinated christian....Iraq? Muslim. Thailand: Buddhist. Israel: Jewish. India: Hindu....where you born and raised ultimately generally determines which myths you are sold and which if any religion you are told is the one and true one and the rest are a load of baloney.

I for one wish that more people would simply follow the basics guidelines and just be a good person, not steal , kill, lie, cheat, do unto others, etc and the like and skip all the rest. Jews, muslims, christians have all been brainwashed one way or another and that has resulted in amazing number of wars, deaths, hatred that only seems to get worse and worse every year.

I can think of one good reason

13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Why don't Christians love Mohmmed ,Daddy ?

I've got lots of reasons for that one... this one will be a start

Having seen what they have done in Gaza, killing Jesus was a piece of cake for them.

On 2/21/2026 at 3:46 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

[Opinion. As I understand it, the reason America's evangelical "Christians' revere Israel and worship Jerusalem is because... If there is not a State of Israel in the world when Armageddon comes, these Xians won't be raptured. Boo-effing-whoo, eh!]

Antisemitism?

Erika Kirk, widow of slain right-wing preacher, Charlie Kirk, doesn’t hate Jews.

She just thinks they should be Christian.

Bob Milgrim, an audience member whose daughter Sarah was killed in an act of horrific antisemitic violence in May, asked Kirk to condemn antisemitism, Holocaust denial, and anti-Zionism.

This was reasonable. Also odd. Why ask about an antisemitic hate crime when the topic is political violence, occasioned by the assassination of Kirk’s non-Jewish husband Charlie, a Christian nationalist?

“I will pray for you,” she said to Milgram. “It sucks, doesn’t it? Hate is hate.”

I think your premise is flawd to a point.

It is not that the Jewish people hated Jesus more that he did not meet the requirements as the Torah states.

First and foremost, it is believed that the saviour will be a direct descendant of David through Solomon. This was negated by the immaculate conception as the inseminates go through the male.

The other points are that he would bring universal peace. The Romans made sure that did not happen.

There is also the way that they were treated during ht crusades and the fact that when Hitler was doing his worst, none of the Western countries seemed to care or want to get involved. Look at the U.S. for prof of that.

Right now, all religions believe in the same thing, but it is funny how we slightly differ.

All religions believe in a God. All religions believe that God has or will send a representative to earth to save us.

Personally, I think Gaza and the Middle East have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with land ownership.

Young people these days have NO concept of what religions are like or knowledge or than what they are fed by, their parents, the media, universities, social media or their peer group.

It is too bad ,really. I feel lucky to be a boomer at or near the end. I lived iduringthe timeof Vietnam and the protests.

I feel lucky to have had many friends and acquaintances who are or were of varied racial and religious backgrounds. They had many different beliefs and theories, but I lived in a time of growth through knowledge and listening.

I feel sorry for the young people who do not have that ability and are too brainwashed.

Americans should remember that until Kennedy and the mob got elected president, that there3 was no god damn way that a catholic was going to become president of the U.S.

45 minutes ago, pomchop said:

The bigger question might be why do so many people in the world allow themselves to be brainwashed with myths. In many countries it starts with santa claus or the easter bunny or tooth faries....teach the kids that there is a big fat guy who flies around the world in a magic sled and delivers toys to all the good little boys and girls...or that the tooth fairy will sneak into your room and but a dollar under your pillow for a rotten tooth...or the easter bunny will bring you a chocolate egg?

Eventually most kids by ten or so figure out its all a load of lies but by then the churches have gotten hold of them to indoctrinate them on an even more fantasy myth about coming back from the dead, or virgins for martyrs or you name it. And for some inexpicable reason these kids who when they learned to think on their own rejected the fat guy in the magic sled buy into the bigger fantasies and then often hate those who don't believe any of it.

If you were born in america you most likely were indoctrinated christian....Iraq? Muslim. Thailand: Buddhist. Israel: Jewish. India: Hindu....where you born and raised ultimately generally determines which myths you are sold and which if any religion you are told is the one and true one and the rest are a load of baloney.

I for one wish that more people would simply follow the basics guidelines and just be a good person, not steal , kill, lie, cheat, do unto others, etc and the like and skip all the rest. Jews, muslims, christians have all been brainwashed one way or another and that has resulted in amazing number of wars, deaths, hatred that only seems to get worse and worse every year.

It all comes down to people in general are stupid, and if they do not believe in one myth or lie, they most likely believes in something else thats not true?

The bottom line, we all need something to believe that connects us on a tribal level, be it true or not. Thats the simple answer

On 2/21/2026 at 3:46 PM, unblocktheplanet said:

Why don't Jews love Jesus, Mommy?

A better question is: Why does Christianity paint Jesus as so needy?

Why does he need to be loved by everyone on this planet, past, present and in the future?

Why did/do his followers try to achieve this "love" by torture, threat, blackmail, lies, manipulation, coercion? Actions which are incidentally all condemned by the same religion represented by Jesus, but at the same time absolved by that religion because they benefit Jesus.

Christian churches really didn't do Jesus any favor by creating such a psych profile for him...

I don’t think they hate Jesus just because. They see themselves as the chosen people making them feel above anyone else. The hatred comes when this thinking is challenged. Jesus did, Muslims do and so on.

2 hours ago, kingstonkid said:

I think your premise is flawd to a point.

It is not that the Jewish people hated Jesus more that he did not meet the requirements as the Torah states.

First and foremost, it is believed that the saviour will be a direct descendant of David through Solomon. This was negated by the immaculate conception as the inseminates go through the male.

The other points are that he would bring universal peace. The Romans made sure that did not happen.

There is also the way that they were treated during ht crusades and the fact that when Hitler was doing his worst, none of the Western countries seemed to care or want to get involved. Look at the U.S. for prof of that.

Right now, all religions believe in the same thing, but it is funny how we slightly differ.

All religions believe in a God. All religions believe that God has or will send a representative to earth to save us.

Personally, I think Gaza and the Middle East have nothing to do with religion and everything to do with land ownership.

Young people these days have NO concept of what religions are like or knowledge or than what they are fed by, their parents, the media, universities, social media or their peer group.

It is too bad ,really. I feel lucky to be a boomer at or near the end. I lived iduringthe timeof Vietnam and the protests.

I feel lucky to have had many friends and acquaintances who are or were of varied racial and religious backgrounds. They had many different beliefs and theories, but I lived in a time of growth through knowledge and listening.

I feel sorry for the young people who do not have that ability and are too brainwashed.

Americans should remember that until Kennedy and the mob got elected president, that there3 was no god damn way that a catholic was going to become president of the U.S.

This is one of the most perceptive comments I've ever received. Thank you.

I was not aware of the requirements in the Torah. We're still waiting for universal peace, if not a messiah!

Yes, we are all (myself included) fretting about racism between Jews & Muslims. But land rights are the greatest part of that equation. Thank you.

I was an activist in the 60s. Those freedoms we had won't come our way again. Govts will make sure of that. There are so few free spirits these days.

Kingston Ontario or Kingston New York?

Tried to respectfully read as much as the the preceeding posts as possible.

In my mind it boils down to this. There is not now nor ever has been anything more dangerous than " true believers " . Whether it is granting total credulity to an existing religious or political dogma or their own self righteous constucts. The world has suffered under these unreasonable types since our species crawled out of the caves ( metaphor by the way for the argumentative) 200,000 years ago.

As an aside , biblically speaking , Jews Arabs Palestinians and many other disparate races are sons of Shem and hence Semites. Nothinng worse than a family feud of true believers to turn the world upside down.

31 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

This is one of the most perceptive comments I've ever received. Thank you.

I was not aware of the requirements in the Torah. We're still waiting for universal peace, if not a messiah!

Yes, we are all (myself included) fretting about racism between Jews & Muslims. But land rights are the greatest part of that equation. Thank you.

I was an activist in the 60s. Those freedoms we had won't come our way again. Govts will make sure of that. There are so few free spirits these days.

Kingston Ontario or Kingston New York?

Ontario LOL close enough to be in the U.S. but far enough at the same time. LOL

Personally I do not see it as a Muslim Jewish problem in Gaza. I am quite convinced that if it was a Chistian or Shia muslim that took over and kicked all the Sunni to the Gaza area that the battle would still be the same.

As to the freedoms I think they are the biggest problem. You are right American youth fought hard ofr the freedoms or how to dress how to act and what the government could or could not do in war. Unfortunately just as it is now those freedoms and feelings were taken over board. Just ask anyone tht went to Vietnam and came home.

Youth today have enjoyed the freedoms that you as well as Martin John, Jesse and Robert fought for. They have never known strife or hardship. The have never known of a thing called the draft.

I was in the CDN military and being close to Drum got to see a little of the way thigns were and how little military would paid or treated.

Youth today have hd it too good what they want mommy and daddy got for them. The government pays for them to take Basket weaving university course or History or so many mickey mouse degrees and then they are told that they are owed a job and that their degree will provide them a beter life.

On 2/22/2026 at 11:18 AM, save the frogs said:

I'm not even convinced Jesus wasn't fabricated.

But even if he wasn't, at least some of his teachings are nonsense.

"Turn the other cheek" is a recipe for people screwing you over repeatedly.

Anyway, the entire concept is ludicrous. If the "son of God" actually came to Earth, the entire population would have been transformed. Instead, we still have endless warfare 2000 years later.

That would imply that "the son of God" was a complete failure.

That he was fabricated makes more sense to me than he came to try to help humans, but he couldn't quite pull it off.

I think you’re only considering the two extreme possibilities. There’s plenty of evidence from historians of the period (Tacitus, Flavius Josephus, and others) that Jesus existed, and was tried and executed. And while he apparently had a sizeable following of commoner Jews, he challenged other Jews who had power (the Elders), who saw him as a big-time troublemaker. So they put him on trial and worked with the imperial power (the Romans) to have him executed; as such, the Jewish Elders behaved no differently from other people with power, across all ages and cultures. Afterward, Jesus’s followers grew into a cult (a few of them writing the Gospels -- part fact, heavily embellished, and much fiction), which over time developed the absurdist superstructure of what became Christian belief (referring to the “son of God” stuff, not Jesus’s actual teachings).

 

Stephen Stills probably has it mostly right -- that Jesus was the world’s “first nonviolent revolutionary.” I’m sure, if Jesus could somehow know, he would be surprised, and more than a little puzzled, that he still holds so much influence in the world today.

There is the matter of timing.

Judaism is the oldest and original Abrahamic religion.

So Jesus is irrelevant to Judaism.

As Christianity and Islam came later both refer back to earlier.

20 hours ago, cdemundo said:

Crucifixion was a Roman means of punishment.

I believe that a person sentenced to death by a Jewish court would be stoned.

As I understand it, the Romans considered the whole Jesus issue to be a provincial matter, and they were reluctant to get directly involved. So the Jewish Elders convened the Sanhedrin trials, which condemned Jesus of sedition. This, then, gave the Romans the “documents” they needed to step in and carry out the execution (by crucifixion, as you say).

1 hour ago, AustinRacing said:

I don’t think they hate Jesus just because. They see themselves as the chosen people making them feel above anyone else. The hatred comes when this thinking is challenged. Jesus did, Muslims do and so on.

You have presented the antisemitic interpretation of what chosen people actually means Typical.

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There is the matter of timing.

Judaism is the oldest and original Abrahamic religion.

So Jesus is irrelevant to Judaism.

As Christianity and Islam came later both refer back to earlier.

Judaism is just originated within one family inspired by every other former believs, rooted back in time to where and when people started to question the big mysteries, evolving as they needed new ways to reach people to teach them how to live within the society rules, and also need for control, control of people for behaving, and also willingness to defend their society. Happens today, as we speak, and in a very obvious way in a specific country.

However this is what AI have to say about my post

The premise that Judaism originated within a specific kinship group (the Abrahamic family/Hebrew people) and evolved by incorporating or responding to surrounding beliefs is supported by historical and archaeological evidence. Judaism is considered a "snowball" religion that adapts and evolves, picking up elements from surrounding cultures

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Britannica +4

Here is a breakdown of the points mentioned in the query based on historical and religious studies:

• Origins and Influences: Judaism emerged in the ancient Near East, with roots going back roughly 4,000 years to a covenantal relationship between God and Abraham. Early Hebrew religion was heavily influenced by Canaanite polytheism and later interacted with Assyrian, Babylonian, and Egyptian cultures. During the Babylonian Exile, it was influenced by Zoroastrianism (introducing concepts like Heaven/Hell and a Messiah) and later by Hellenism (Greek culture).

• Societal Rules and Control: The Torah was established as a guidebook, a comprehensive legal code governing daily life, ethics, and social behavior. This, combined with the development of rabbinical law (Halakha), provided a framework for maintaining order within communities. The structure allowed the religion to serve as a way to unite people and enforce behavioral standards.

• Defense and Continuity: The Jewish narrative is deeply tied to the survival of the people ("Am Yisrael") and the protection of their identity against oppression and assimilation. Judaism has shown high adaptability, transitioning from temple-based worship to a religion focused on Torah, prayer, and study.

• Evolution and Contemporary Relevance: Judaism continues to evolve today through various denominations (Orthodox, Conservative, Reform) that interpret the law differently.

• Application in a Specific Country: The influence of Judaism on law and social behavior is particularly evident in modern-day Israel, where the Jewish character of the state is maintained. There is ongoing debate about the balance between religious law, democracy, and political control over societal behavior. 

  Province of Manitoba +12

Judaism is generally defined as an ethnoreligious group—a combination of faith, cultural tradition, and ancestry

On 2/21/2026 at 4:17 AM, Jingthing said:

I consider this topic rather bizarre and a cynical attempt at baiting, but I do have a comment.

The reason Is very obvious.

Israel needs and welcomes all the friends and supporters they can get.

That is normal self interest.

They know quite well about the belief system of evangelical Christians that when their savior returns, all Jews are doomed, but as they are aren't evangelical themselves and don't share their belief system, they can easily ignore that unpleasant part of the relationship.

Of course it is baiting. A visit to some other topics will show what I would term a malicious intent. It isn't discussion, nor opinion, despite the attempt made to pass it as such. The attempt to twist the murder of Charlie Kirk into something it is not and to take the comment of his grieving widow out of context is offensive. Every proper Christian knows that in order for them to obtain the benefit of Grace and Salvation, Jesus had to die. For a Christian, his was the ultimate sacrifice, often termed a substitutionary atonement. He sacrificed himself, taking on all the sins of humanity so that humans would not suffer. His death was ordained and to say otherwise is to deny the faith.

There haven't been any reports of Israeli's implicated in petty crimes in Thailand for several months, while other nationalities have been a weekly feature. I expect that the hating brigade has a need to mention Israel or juden to satiate a blood lust. Rather tiresome. Malcolm would be proud.

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

One thing about Jesus that we do know for a fact.

The Jews killed Jesus trope has been used for thousands of years to rile up people to persecute and murder Jews

I see this topic as a cynical ploy to inflame that age old excuse yet again.

You’re quite right: the “Jews killed Jesus” trope has been used endlessly, for more than two thousand years, to rouse up antisemitism. My own brother-in-law, a disgusting antisemite, says this again and again.

 

However, as lots of people here have pointed out, that doesn’t erase the fact that some Jews, namely the Jewish Elders who put Jesus on trial and condemned him for sedition, had a role in killing Jesus. (The Romans of course carried out the execution.) I think there’s historical evidence, and much agreement among scholars, that these events occurred. Of course, in this regard, the Jewish Elders were behaving no differently from other people with power, across all eras and all cultures, when faced with a troublemaker who challenged them. (And also, at the same time, thousands of other Jews were Jesus’s ardent followers.)

 

I think what the simplistic “Jews killed Jesus” trope and its long-lasting power tells us is that it doesn’t take much to rile up a crowd, if you can produce an “other” whom they can blame for their problems, regardless of how illogical -- whether the “others” are Jews, or Muslims, or Tutsis (in Rwanda), or trans people, or Blacks, or people who happen to speak Spanish.