5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Wars have never been won by creating no-fly zones, having air superiority due to 'modern air power' or obliterating countries with bombs and drones alone. This one won't be setting any precedent in that regard.

Times change. Got anything to say about Irans present military capacity?

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

Israel has been bombing Gaza and Lebanon for years already. They're still bombing Gaza and Lebanon, but Iran is maybe 160 times bigger than Lebanon and Gaza combined.

Nothing beats smart bombs and targets not hidden in schools and kindergartens.

I'm stepping back on this thread its pointless, i will just wait for the Yank body bags arriving home caused by Trumps Ego.

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If this were a videogame the US would be winning. But it's not. What would constitute winning? Unconditional surrender?

Deflecting again 5555555.

Now just as an aside, winning to me would be leveling of Tehran and plowing salt into the ruins, but times have changed and I think Trump has other plans.

Regardless, you cant dispute anything I have said so carry on with your sillinesss

1 minute ago, Yagoda said:

Times change. Got anything to say about Irans present military capacity?

They still have some. They still have leadership. Nothing has been won yet, let alone obliterated.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Nothing beats smart bombs and targets not hidden in schools and kindergartens.

Evidence of that? The US and Israel are still dropping smart bombs, and launching drones and missiles. So is Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. Generally speaking, you don't do that when you have already vanquished your foe, or you have already been obliterated.

But you could be making it all up.

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Now just as an aside, winning to me would be leveling of Tehran and plowing salt into the ruins, but times have changed and I think Trump has other plans.

Trump has no plans, that is the problem, and whatever comes up in his mind tomorrow, he will change the next day.

48 hours- 5 days - 10 days, do you get it?

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Regardless, you cant dispute anything I have said so carry on with your sillinesss

What have you said? I may have missed it.

12 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

I'm stepping back on this thread its pointless, i will just wait for the Yank body bags arriving home caused by Trumps Ego.

Im sure you will cheer every death LOL. It is pointless, you lost as bad as the Iranian Navy 5555555

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Trump has no plans, that is the problem, and whatever comes up in his mind tomorrow, he will change the next day.

48 hours- 5 days - 10 days, do you get it?

Oh look, he wants to try. How do you know he has no plan? Dont you know what Trump and his advisors decided today with respect to the war?

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

What have you said? I may have missed it.

One of the best indicators of defeat is confusion. You were owned pages back.

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh look, he wants to try. How do you know he has no plan? Dont you know what Trump and his advisors decided today with respect to the war?

I just leave this here for you. BYE

https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-admits-he-has-no-iran-war-plan-in-official-letter-to-congress/

Trump Admits He Has No War Plan in Bombshell Letter

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/03/trump-iran-war/686470/

Trump Had No Plan B for Iran

And it shows.

The Daily Beast and the Atlantic, toddler burping Iranian propaganda. Carry on 55555

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

The Daily Beast and the Atlantic, toddler burping Iranian propaganda. Carry on 55555

Did you read both articles? Facts are facts.

8 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Did you read both articles? Facts are facts.

Sure start a topic and Ill rip them apart for you. Meanwhile, what do YOU have to say about the points raised.

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

Sure start a topic and Ill rip them apart for you. Meanwhile, what do YOU have to say about the points raised.

Still waiting for you to answer my question.

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Still waiting for you to answer my question.

555 I already did... read my response again.

5 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

See how easy it is to counter your B/S Yagoda. I suggest we pause this thread for 2 weeks then come back if Trump has bottled it.

Better yet, just pause @Yagoda for 2 or more weeks. No constructive conversation coming from there.

27 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

555 I already did... read my response again.

Both articles claim that Trump has no Plan B for HIS war in Iran. I agree. You infer he does. If so, what is his Plan B?

2 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Both articles claim that Trump has no Plan B for HIS war in Iran. I agree. You infer he does. If so, what is his Plan B?

Got it. Plan C. keep up the narrative.

6 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Better yet, just pause @Yagoda for 2 or more weeks. No constructive conversation coming from there.

Translation: I am unable to dispute the points made, so Ill just toss in a flame.

3 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Both articles claim that Trump has no Plan B for HIS war in Iran. I agree. You infer he does. If so, what is his Plan B?

I wouldnt know what his plans are since I dont have all the targeting data nor all the damage reports nor the intelligence, I only know what I would do.

4 minutes ago, JerryM said:

Got it. Plan C. keep up the narrative.

Im sure there are multiple permutations, many of which would be tactical, but some strategic. For example, do we seize Kharg or destroy it, relying on our Gulf allies to make up production? Do we assist the UAE in seizing Musa and the Tunbs? Do we utilize troops from the Gulf States and Turkey to hold key areas after the 82nd takes, say, Tehran Airport? Maybe even Bander Abbas, sieze it and let the Gulf States hold it. Do we destroy Tehran? What progress is being made up on the Caspian? Notice how fast Azerbaijan was dropped from the Mullahs target list, even though Azerbaijan is an Israeli ally. Whats going on up there that would figure in a plan? How would the Chinese react to a seizure of Kharg? How is Putin reacting to the closure of the Caspian route? Any Euro country going to grow some balls to protect themselves.

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Deflecting again 5555555.

Now just as an aside, winning to me would be leveling of Tehran and plowing salt into the ruins, but times have changed and I think Trump has other plans.

Regardless, you cant dispute anything I have said so carry on with your sillinesss

Once again declaring yourself the winner. The fact is, you don't even address the issue of asymmetric warfare. You offer no definition of what victory would look like. Instead you let yourself and Trump completely off the hook by claiming you think that "Trump has other plans." In other words, your criterion for victory is whatever Trump says it is.

47 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Im sure there are multiple permutations, many of which would be tactical, but some strategic. For example, do we seize Kharg or destroy it, relying on our Gulf allies to make up production?

From the pinko Daily Mail:

Panic inside the Pentagon after staggering report lays bare Tomahawk missile crisis as Iran keeps stranglehold on Strait of Hormuz

Updated: 22:03 GMT, 27 March 2026 -- Pentagon chiefs have expressed alarm at the rate the US is burning through its stockpiles of Tomahawk missiles just four weeks into the war with Iran.

Concerns about the stockpiles are now being whispered within Pentagon walls due to the difficulty in manufacturing the cruise missiles.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15685177/Panic-inside-Pentagon-staggering-report-lays-bare-Tomahawk-missile-crisis-Iran-keeps-stranglehold-Strait-Hormuz.html

7 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Once again declaring yourself the winner. The fact is, you don't even address the issue of asymmetric warfare. You offer no definition of what victory would look like. Instead you let yourself and Trump completely off the hook by claiming you think that "Trump has other plans." In other words, your criterion for victory is whatever Trump says it is.

Whats your criteria for victory 555555. My criteria differs from Trumps, tell us what yours is so I can decide what iss better 55555.

Guess some the Israelis smashed some stuff today.

5 minutes ago, JerryM said:

From the pinko Daily Mail:

Panic inside the Pentagon after staggering report lays bare Tomahawk missile crisis as Iran keeps stranglehold on Strait of Hormuz

Updated: 22:03 GMT, 27 March 2026 -- Pentagon chiefs have expressed alarm at the rate the US is burning through its stockpiles of Tomahawk missiles just four weeks into the war with Iran.

Concerns about the stockpiles are now being whispered within Pentagon walls due to the difficulty in manufacturing the cruise missiles.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15685177/Panic-inside-Pentagon-staggering-report-lays-bare-Tomahawk-missile-crisis-Iran-keeps-stranglehold-Strait-Hormuz.html

Anonymous sources vs

"'The Department of War has everything it needs to execute any mission at the time and place of the President’s choosing and on any timeline,' Pentagon spokesman Sean Parnell said. "

Great clickbait though

7 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Wars have never been won by creating no-fly zones, having air superiority due to 'modern air power' or obliterating countries with bombs and drones alone. This one won't be setting any precedent in that regard.

Israel has been bombing Gaza and Lebanon for years already. They're still bombing Gaza and Lebanon, but Iran is maybe 160 times bigger than Lebanon and Gaza combined.

I remember hitting a red ants nest with a lawnmower once...

Yes they have. The precedent was set in 1940 by the RAF.

"

4 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Great clickbait though

Agreed Sean Parnell is great clickbait -- second only to Karoline Leavitt:

'President Trump does not bluff and he is prepared to unleash Hell'

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I am unable to dispute the points made, so Ill just toss in a flame.

I wouldnt know what his plans are since I dont have all the targeting data nor all the damage reports nor the intelligence, I only know what I would do.

You still still haven't responded to whether Trump has a Plan B or not. Isn't that what those two articles were about?

57 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Whats your criteria for victory 555555. My criteria differs from Trumps, tell us what yours is so I can decide what iss better 55555.

Guess some the Israelis smashed some stuff today.

That's easy. I'll go with Trump's: unconditional surrender and only a little more damage to export infrastructure.

17 minutes ago, nauseus said:

From the link below I guess that there are monitoring authorities ... and monitoring authorities.

It must, at least, be possible that Iran blindfolded the IAEA by strictly limiting where it could inspect.

https://www.hudson.org/national-security-defense/seven-myths-about-the-iran-nuclear-deal

It is absolutely possible that the IAEA was hoodwinked but it falls on those making the accusation to prove it, something that imo the article to which you linked fails to do. The evidence provided is, at best, circumstantial e.g. the finding of written documentation and, at worse, irrelevant e.g. the views of the US public about JCPOA.

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Only history determines the moral high ground

Maybe but that hasn't stopped Trump claiming it now.

On 3/26/2026 at 1:16 PM, Yagoda said:

"What is wrong with the West’s expert class? Do they really believe, as they keep telling us, that the war against Iran is a disaster, the end of days, the final humiliation for Donald Trump?

Yes, some of them do actually believe that. And some of them close their eyes and click their ruby shoe-clad heels thinking that if they just want it badly enough, they can will it so 🦄🌈.

All of 'em never met an ayatollah they couldn't fawn over. All (and I do mean all) considerations other than their anti-Americanism are secondary.

11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Iran did not allow full inspections at all of its nuclear sites.

Perhaps not but presumably that was because such inspections were outside of the terms of JCPOA.

"Until July 2019, all official reports and statements from the United Nations, European Union, the IAEA, and the non-U.S. participating governments indicated that Iran had fulfilled its JCPOA and related Resolution 2231 requirements" (Source: Congress.gov)