Koh Tao murder trial rescheduled

[thailandchilli]

Given the information that Hannah's and David's parents have the information contained in this older article, it is even more bizarre to read that they announced being satifsfied with the investigation done bt the RTP: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11102860/Two-brothers-questioned-over-backpacker-murders-in-Thailand.html

Here, again, mention of wounds on David's hands, indicating a struglle and a fight. To imply that the two Burmse dwarfs escaped a fight with a man of David's stature without a single scratch is just insane.

One who had injuries at about the same time was:

Sean is a key witness!!!!

...while aother person (Nomsod) bought a full week in absence what is ample time to heal minor scratches, bruises and cuts.

Btw. this is the same trick intoxicated Thai drivers use when killing someone in an accident. Run away first and turn yourself in at the nearest police station one or two days after, when sober.

The RTP and mafia apologists will find it very hard to explain why the mafia brat was hiding for a full week. It is one of the hundreds of facts they can't make go away.

You talk like he was on the island, a full week in absence from what ?

We have no witnesses that can confirm he was on the island. According to your theories that is because they are too afraid to speak .

But we do have cctv footage of him in UNI and teachers that can confirm he attended the class. No bruises to heal , no cuts to heal , no minor scratches, its all in your imagination.

What makes you think it is Catweazles theory?

“It’s really challenging getting witnesses for them because everyone’s so scared,” Hall said. He said that Thais living on Koh Tao are especially scared to speak out, because they have names and addresses that can be easily tracked. This is their home, they can’t leave the way migrant workers or Western expats can. People are scared that their businesses will be closed or their lives will be threatened, even that they could be killed, Hall said. http://asiancorrespondent.com/128732/koh-tao-murder-suspects-issue-plea-for-witnesses-ahead-of-formal-charges/

When you state that teachers from Uni confirmed he attended classes, where do you get that from? Speculating or do you actually have a link to that statement from teachers? I would be interested to see it.

How do you know he had no scratches, cuts, bruises? Again are you speculating or do you have a link to this as I would be very interested.

Edited December 30, 2014 by thailandchilli

[berybert]

mcm991. Your post leaves me a bit cold. You think balo is friends with Nomsod. And you think Nomsod is involved in the crime.

If so do you think its commendable to cover up for a murderer ?

[AleG]

Ally g is back for the comedy hour.. The boys were tested first time around. There is a picture of one of them in the queue. Now tell us that picture was fake.

Then tell us how the cctv footage is all 100% real and there is no chance it could have been changed.

Then tell us with all this information why the trail has been put back 6 months, I don't think it was done to help the Burmese lads.

You claimed the Burmese men were cleared early in the investigation, don't bother with bluster, show the proof of your statement.

You won't because you can't.

You have already been proven wrong with the motives for the trial postponement.

I have no need to prove anything to you.

Who proved me wrong about the trial postponement ? Unlike you I am able to think outside the box.

You carry on being spoon fed.

By the way bringing psychic detectives into your argument (Which has nothing to do with this case) And claiming the internet has interfered with the case makes you look desperate.

All bluster, no proof, why am I not surprised?

[berybert]

Ally g is back for the comedy hour.. The boys were tested first time around. There is a picture of one of them in the queue. Now tell us that picture was fake.

Then tell us how the cctv footage is all 100% real and there is no chance it could have been changed.

Then tell us with all this information why the trail has been put back 6 months, I don't think it was done to help the Burmese lads.

You claimed the Burmese men were cleared early in the investigation, don't bother with bluster, show the proof of your statement.

You won't because you can't.

You have already been proven wrong with the motives for the trial postponement.

I have no need to prove anything to you.

Who proved me wrong about the trial postponement ? Unlike you I am able to think outside the box.

You carry on being spoon fed.

By the way bringing psychic detectives into your argument (Which has nothing to do with this case) And claiming the internet has interfered with the case makes you look desperate.

All bluster, no proof, why am I not surprised?

All bluster, no proof.

Give me your proof they committed the murders.

[AleG]

You wanna bring in Occam's Razor? Ok, I'll play along (I used to get in trouble for playing with sharp implements).

The bludgeoning of Hannah was a crime of passion coupled with extreme vindictiveness. Did two little drunk guys singing songs have that passion? No.

Would the scion of a rich headman who essentially owns a large chunk of the island have such passion? Yes. He is Thai. Thais are very thin-skinned and get offended very easily. When offended, they fly in to a no-holds-barred rage. If you have never seen it, then you've never really been to Thailand. What would seriously offend the spoiled young scion of the Headman? Any number of things, not least having his sexual advances rebuffed, perhaps with a personal slur or two thrown in.

Have you ever seen a Thai wanna-be tough guy fielding the f-word? ....or given the finger? A farang or a Burmese guy might just respond in kind, and that's it. But a Thai will go ballistically livid, and likely grab a weapon and compel every young Thai guy in shouting distance to join in bashing the person who said the f-word or gave him the finger.

Occam's Razor indicates the most likely perpetrators were drunk lustful Thai men, who have likely seduced many young drunk, pretty (maybe date-rape drug addled) farang chicks - right at that same beach. They get their sights on a particularly blonde (Thai men go apeshit over blond chicks), cute gal, ....then get rebuffed. A farang rescuer shows up, ....and the rest is Ko Tao history. It fits hand-in-glove with Occam's Razor.

Occam's razor indicates that you have a seething hatred towards Thai men and your wild fantasies are the result of projecting your prejudices into this case so that you can feel self righteous about them.

Obviously you despise Thai men, so you want Thai men to be responsible, simple as that.

[mcm991]

mcm991. Your post leaves me a bit cold. You think balo is friends with Nomsod. And you think Nomsod is involved in the crime.

If so do you think its commendable to cover up for a murderer ?

Yes ... I do think that Balo is friends with Nomsod.

No. I do not believe in any cover ups and it sure smells of a cover up from where I stand.

But I would welcome any other information about the night of the crime, no matter its source. There are so many missing pieces. Any new info can be assessed on its merits.

(I have no idea about Nomsod's involvement. But there sure are many questions that need answering in a convincing way if we are to believe his innocense)

[catsanddogs]

Given the information that Hannah's and David's parents have the information contained in this older article, it is even more bizarre to read that they announced being satifsfied with the investigation done bt the RTP: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/thailand/11102860/Two-brothers-questioned-over-backpacker-murders-in-Thailand.html

Here, again, mention of wounds on David's hands, indicating a struglle and a fight. To imply that the two Burmse dwarfs escaped a fight with a man of David's stature without a single scratch is just insane.

One who had injuries at about the same time was:

Sean is a key witness!!!!

...while aother person (Nomsod) bought a full week in absence what is ample time to heal minor scratches, bruises and cuts.

Btw. this is the same trick intoxicated Thai drivers use when killing someone in an accident. Run away first and turn yourself in at the nearest police station one or two days after, when sober.

The RTP and mafia apologists will find it very hard to explain why the mafia brat was hiding for a full week. It is one of the hundreds of facts they can't make go away.

You talk like he was on the island, a full week in absence from what ?

We have no witnesses that can confirm he was on the island. According to your theories that is because they are too afraid to speak .

But we do have cctv footage of him in UNI and teachers that can confirm he attended the class. No bruises to heal , no cuts to heal , no minor scratches, its all in your imagination.

I see a timepiece on a gold chain dangling. Let's all look at it and repeat

'It's all in our imagination..it's all in our imagination'.

[Krenjai]

Let me help AleG a bit as he thinks there was no struggle on the beach........

http://bit.ly/1xvmKIu

[Mooner]

Anyone seen the video from the onehd channel. The police are showing the phone of David to Chris Ware. As they pick up the back of the phone to put it together Chris says something shaking his head.

It seems like the he said "That's not..... Can't make out the last word!

[thailandchilli]

Some good info on this page including this message from somebody who allegedly knows about Nomsod having scratches on his neck and arms https://democracyforburma.wordpress.com/2014/09/15/update-710-thailand-2-british-tourists-been-murder-on-sairee-beach-koh-tao/

[jimmybkk]

Precisely.

The problem is though, that the people that push elaborate theories more fit for a bad novel actually do cause harm.

I remember a talk by a US police detective I once saw, it was about "psychic detectives"; one of the things he said was that they get the calls from those loons and they do indeed investigate their "leads" because you never now if, the example he was giving, the person making the call it's just insane and interprets what he/she actually saw as psychic vision.

So they go down the rabbit hole and waste a lot of time that could had been spent doing actual detective work to solve the case.

In fact, during the Koh Tao case the police directly blamed online speculation with making their work more difficult, who knows if some of the suspects that are now the center of some people's pet theories were not placed in the suspect list by someone seeing a blurry CCTV frame and going, "yeah, that's the guy!".

LMFAO.... quote of the day!!

So, that talk by the US police detective that you once saw, how long ago was that? Was it in black and white by any chance? Had the detective they were interviewing been a detective for a really, really long time by any chance? Never quite made it to the next rung on the ladder - promotions always seemed to pass him by perhaps? Laid the blame at chasing those loons all the time no doubt.

This is such old news I can't even believe you're resurrecting it. Yes, when shows about real life crime first started showing on TV the police hotlines used to go crazy because of people calling in thinking that the guy shown in the reconstruction or photo-fit looked exactly like the man living at No.47B, and they felt it was their civic duty to report that fact to the police. Of course you have chosen to embellish your story with "psychic detectives" so that you can label the callers as "loons" and "insane" in order to imply that anyone posting a theory on a forum such as this be tarred with the same brush... What a strange thing to suggest.

So anyway, perhaps with the exception of the US police detective that you referred to, everyone else wised up pretty quickly and introduced ways to qualify the many callers that were offering information. Mostly they qualified the leads over the telephone to save time. They would also withhold certain specific facts about a crime from the media so that only persons calling in with knowledge of those withheld aspects of the crime were entertained and interviewed. Smart, huh?

So, what you're telling us is that now, the police are complaining because much like all the people calling to the police hotlines back then, there has been an influx of these loons and insane people offering psychic theories on web forums and such, and the police not only waste time responding individually to all these theories on the forums, but they also "go down the rabbit hole" (not sure exactly what that means but what the heck, i'll play along) just the same as that cop did 50 years ago and this in fact means that they waste time that could've been spent solving the case. I can honestly say that I genuinely never knew that every theory on every forum was looked into in the same way that a call to a police hotline was answered 50 years ago. You know, they should really publicize that more - I think it would make people more selective with what they theorized. I feel kinda bad now...

Well, I guess that could be one interpretation of what they meant about online speculation making their work more difficult. Or.... another could be that in the good old days before social media and the like they were able to do whatever they wanted with an investigation and nobody asked too many questions, provided that after a couple of days they issued a quick press release stating that someone was guilty and that DNA evidence proved it beyond doubt. After that it would be back to the station with the accused and a couple of photographers for their favourite part of the job.... Some good ol' fashioned finger pointing and pats on the backs all round. But now, their job has got so much more difficult because it seems like every morning their boss (who is a lot like Captain Dobey from Starsky & Hutch) is coming in and saying stuff like: "I read online someone speculating that from the photos they seen it looked like you guys didn't even bother to seal off that crime scene... What you got to say about that?" or "Some people speculating online that this crime may be gang-related, but you seem focussed on interviewing that receptionist at the hotel every day.... What's that all about?"

Thanks for that though AleG - it was a nice walk down memory lane and brightened up my evening...

[JOC]

Edited December 30, 2014 by JOC

[englishoak]

Does anyone doubt the delay of 7 months after trying to force things quickly fail and having such an international interest and fuss is now mostly all about making people and press lose interest. ?

I look forward to the UK coroners report and the findings if released, I will not be surprised if the details arnt now.

Edited December 30, 2014 by englishoak

[loonodingle]

Does anyone doubt the delay of 7 months after trying to force things quickly fail and having such an international interest and fuss is now mostly all about making people and press lose interest. ?

I look forward to the UK coroners report and the findings if released, I will not be surprised if the details arnt now.

I believe the Inquest results are public information and cannot be withheld. In Hannah's case its the 6th Jan In Norwich. They do have a public gallery.

I would like to know if further DNA was extracted from Hannah on her arrival back to the UK .

If so it is possible to get the Profile released to enable Defence team to argue their case.

Does the DNA result come within the scope of freedom of information act for example?

Was there 3 DNA profiles as is suggested at the Police tv interview.

[jimmybkk]

Are you for real ?

Please show me a credible news source that says he was nowhere near the UNI that week ?

Why dont you go to the uni and find out yourself? Do you not think that the teachers would know if he was not present there ? Do you think the teachers also are a part of this cover up ?

People like yourself should be ashamed , if this boy is innocent you and the rest of the gang already managed to destroy this boys life based on rumors and speculations.

I'm sorry, I had no idea you were so new to Thailand. I assumed based on your posts that you had been living here for a while, but now i can see that you're "fresh off the boat" as they say (no offense intended).

So, I can see how having just arrived here you would think that from a western perspective this lad's life could be "destroyed" based on these rumors and speculations. No doubt you are envisaging Ferguson-style protests around his university... people walking around with placards.... him being snubbed by his college mates... teachers giving him low grades based on the rumours.... graffiti on walls calling him all kinds of mean names... stuff like that. Well, although that may be what would happen in your country, I have some good news for you... you will no doubt be very pleased to hear that you should not worry - it's not like that at all here.

What is most likely happening now for this "boy" as you refer to him, is that he's probably floating around campus on a cushion of air at the moment. All of a sudden a lot more of the other kids want to be friends with him, even the older kids. He seems to have become a lot more attractive to the ladies too (must be the new haircut), and the teachers don't really seem to mind when he hands in an assignment a few days late. You see all the kids at the college like to talk of their connections... who their dad is... who they know... what private clubs they are members of... that kind of thing. And the great thing for him now is that regardless of what he may have told his classmates in the past, and regardless of what they may have told him, he is now walking the walk. It doesn't matter if he's innocent or not - he was a prime suspect in a double homicide, and he walked away from the charge. He's got his stripes, and of all the kids in the college he's not the kid you want to mess with.

Oh, and don't worry about his future when he leaves college - I'm sure there will be no shortage of job offers if he decides that he wants to work when he finishes college.

Anyway, I thought your concern for the lad was touching and just wanted to put your mind at rest that he'll be OK.

[falangjim]

Anyone seen the video from the onehd channel. The police are showing the phone of David to Chris Ware. As they pick up the back of the phone to put it together Chris says something shaking his head.

It seems like the he said "That's not..... Can't make out the last word!

I've watched it, too. I can't make out what he's saying, but it's definitely not an affirmative statement. He's obviously questioning something is wrong, not possible, or improbable. Of course, the camera cuts to another scene quickly.

It's all bullsht. Much to my chagrin, the RTP are more clever than I thought in planting evidence. They knew another cop was on the right track when he was questioning the whereabouts of Fresh Milk, but they quickly dismissed him. Miraculously two Burmese who had already passed a DNA test, who had never fled the island, and went about their lives as normal, were suddenly caught. Well done, BIB. Well done.

Never forget this bit of news:

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/one-tourist-murder-suspect-now-arrested-another-run

Edited December 30, 2014 by falangjim

[falangjim]

Are you for real ?

Please show me a credible news source that says he was nowhere near the UNI that week ?

Why dont you go to the uni and find out yourself? Do you not think that the teachers would know if he was not present there ? Do you think the teachers also are a part of this cover up ?

People like yourself should be ashamed , if this boy is innocent you and the rest of the gang already managed to destroy this boys life based on rumors and speculations.

I'm sorry, I had no idea you were so new to Thailand. I assumed based on your posts that you had been living here for a while, but now i can see that you're "fresh off the boat" as they say (no offense intended).

So, I can see how having just arrived here you would think that from a western perspective this lad's life could be "destroyed" based on these rumors and speculations. No doubt you are envisaging Ferguson-style protests around his university... people walking around with placards.... him being snubbed by his college mates... teachers giving him low grades based on the rumours.... graffiti on walls calling him all kinds of mean names... stuff like that. Well, although that may be what would happen in your country, I have some good news for you... you will no doubt be very pleased to hear that you should not worry - it's not like that at all here.

What is most likely happening now for this "boy" as you refer to him, is that he's probably floating around campus on a cushion of air at the moment. All of a sudden a lot more of the other kids want to be friends with him, even the older kids. He seems to have become a lot more attractive to the ladies too (must be the new haircut), and the teachers don't really seem to mind when he hands in an assignment a few days late. You see all the kids at the college like to talk of their connections... who their dad is... who they know... what private clubs they are members of... that kind of thing. And the great thing for him now is that regardless of what he may have told his classmates in the past, and regardless of what they may have told him, he is now walking the walk. It doesn't matter if he's innocent or not - he was a prime suspect in a double homicide, and he walked away from the charge. He's got his stripes, and of all the kids in the college he's not the kid you want to mess with.

Oh, and don't worry about his future when he leaves college - I'm sure there will be no shortage of job offers if he decides that he wants to work when he finishes college.

Anyway, I thought your concern for the lad was touching and just wanted to put your mind at rest that he'll be OK.

BEAUTIFUL

[Eirene]

Is it true that the Nomsod fellow has become a Monk? Any photo's I have seen of him he looked to be the party type. If this is true then he just tossed aside his long time girlfriend and has given up sex altogether? Why decide to do this now? I find this all very strange. MOO

Does anyone have a photo of his brother?

[Gweiloman]

Is it true that the Nomsod fellow has become a Monk? Any photo's I have seen of him he looked to be the party type. If this is true then he just tossed aside his long time girlfriend and has given up sex altogether? Why decide to do this now? I find this all very strange. MOO

Does anyone have a photo of his brother?

A few posters have been asking about a sibling. No idea if this is right but I came across this page

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008463362577&fref=ts

Edited December 30, 2014 by Gweiloman

[Eirene]

Is it true that the Nomsod fellow has become a Monk? Any photo's I have seen of him he looked to be the party type. If this is true then he just tossed aside his long time girlfriend and has given up sex altogether? Why decide to do this now? I find this all very strange. MOO

Does anyone have a photo of his brother?

A few posters have been asking about a sibling. No idea if this is right but I came across this page

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008463362577&fref=ts

Thanks Gweilman...I was just curious as you never see or hear of this sibling. A handsome lad.

[katana]

Is it true that the Nomsod fellow has become a Monk? Any photo's I have seen of him he looked to be the party type. If this is true then he just tossed aside his long time girlfriend and has given up sex altogether? Why decide to do this now? I find this all very strange. MOO

Does anyone have a photo of his brother?

Making merit for something maybe...

[loonodingle]

Is it true that the Nomsod fellow has become a Monk? Any photo's I have seen of him he looked to be the party type. If this is true then he just tossed aside his long time girlfriend and has given up sex altogether? Why decide to do this now? I find this all very strange. MOO

Does anyone have a photo of his brother?

A few posters have been asking about a sibling. No idea if this is right but I came across this page

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008463362577&fref=ts

Thanks Gweilman...I was just curious as you never see or hear of this sibling. A handsome lad.

Nomsod has been seen out and about already despite being a New Monk. I have nicked this image from CSI I am sure he will not mind.

I believe he is supposed to stay in the Wat as he is new to the fold.

Looks like he writes his own rules though. Not surprising considering they have written the story so far.

[catsanddogs]

Is it true that the Nomsod fellow has become a Monk? Any photo's I have seen of him he looked to be the party type. If this is true then he just tossed aside his long time girlfriend and has given up sex altogether? Why decide to do this now? I find this all very strange. MOO

Does anyone have a photo of his brother?

A few posters have been asking about a sibling. No idea if this is right but I came across this page

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100008463362577&fref=ts

Thanks Gweilman...I was just curious as you never see or hear of this sibling. A handsome lad.

Nomsod has been seen out and about already despite being a New Monk. I have nicked this image from CSI I am sure he will not mind.

I believe he is supposed to stay in the Wat as he is new to the fold.

Looks like he writes his own rules though. Not surprising considering they have written the story so far.

Why does he always seem to be holding his left arm? He doesn't look very happy.

[Eirene]

Your right catsanddogs....in fact he looks downright miserable. Perhaps he is being forced to do something against his will.

[Krenjai]

As we know David had multiple stab wounds, most at his head/neck (yes, stab wounds AleG), now look at the pictures and try to imagine the fight David versus Goliath, I have some trouble believing this.....AleG? What about you? Ah yes, it was the hoe that hit him from behind? The hoe with no DNA on, right?

A picture says more than a thousand words!

Edited December 30, 2014 by Krenjai

[boomerangutang]

You wanna bring in Occam's Razor? Ok, I'll play along (I used to get in trouble for playing with sharp implements).

The bludgeoning of Hannah was a crime of passion coupled with extreme vindictiveness. Did two little drunk guys singing songs have that passion? No.

Would the scion of a rich headman who essentially owns a large chunk of the island have such passion? Yes. He is Thai. Thais are very thin-skinned and get offended very easily. When offended, they fly in to a no-holds-barred rage. If you have never seen it, then you've never really been to Thailand. What would seriously offend the spoiled young scion of the Headman? Any number of things, not least having his sexual advances rebuffed, perhaps with a personal slur or two thrown in.

Have you ever seen a Thai wanna-be tough guy fielding the f-word? ....or given the finger? A farang or a Burmese guy might just respond in kind, and that's it. But a Thai will go ballistically livid, and likely grab a weapon and compel every young Thai guy in shouting distance to join in bashing the person who said the f-word or gave him the finger.

Occam's Razor indicates the most likely perpetrators were drunk lustful Thai men, who have likely seduced many young drunk, pretty (maybe date-rape drug addled) farang chicks - right at that same beach. They get their sights on a particularly blonde (Thai men go apeshit over blond chicks), cute gal, ....then get rebuffed. A farang rescuer shows up, ....and the rest is Ko Tao history. It fits hand-in-glove with Occam's Razor.

Occam's razor indicates that you have a seething hatred towards Thai men and your wild fantasies are the result of projecting your prejudices into this case so that you can feel self righteous about them.

Obviously you despise Thai men, so you want Thai men to be responsible, simple as that.

Ok, I'll take the bait. Occam's Razor has nothing to do with my observations about how some Thai men can get livid and violent when offended. You don't agree with my assessment of how intensely some Thai men can react when drunk, offended, and have their sexual advances rebuffed? Ok, that's your prerogative to believe what you choose.

For over half a century I've observed farang, Burmese and Thai men, and how they individually react to tense situations. I've got my observations, you've got yours. Perhaps the twain don't meet.

[boomerangutang]

As we know David had multiple stab wounds, most at his head/neck (yes, stab wounds AleG), now look at the pictures and try to imagine the fight David versus Goliath, I have some trouble believing this.....AleG? What about you? Ah yes, it was the hoe that hit him from behind? The hoe with no DNA on, right?

A picture says more than a thousand words!

David & Goliath.jpgPunches.jpg

I think we have to lighten up about trying to convince any of the Gang of 4 about the veracity of such things. They're not going to change. They're fixated on not wanting to see, hear or believe any bits of evidence which might implicate the Headman's people. Same same for Thai officialdom, since the replacement head cop was assigned to the case.

[boomerangutang]

Many scientists have adopted or reinvented Occam's Razor, as in Leibniz's "identity of observables" and Isaac Newton stated the rule: "We are to admit no more causes of natural things than such as are both true and sufficient to explain their appearances."

The most useful statement of the principle for scientists is

"when you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better."

source:

The simple explanation is that the 2 Burmese -- if indeed guilty -- acted alone both during and following the crime. Your explanation involves a convoluted follow-up involving persons sufficient to film the battle scenes in Spartacus (1960 version)

Putting the Spartacus movie aside, let's look at the case at hand.

First off, Occam's Razor applies more to scientific endeavors rather than crime investigations. There are some crimes which are quite convoluted. Descriptions of a crime can be simple or involved, depending on what a writer chooses to write.

Scenario A. (put forth by Thai officialdom + Gang of 4): 3 Burmese young men, go to town, all wearing long pants. Stop to buy ciggies (and beer?), go to beach, make fire, play guitar, sing songs in some Burmese dialect. One goes home awhile after midnight. Later, the remaining two see a farang couple walking arm in arm on the beach (even though it's been shown Hannah and David weren't a romantic item), they see the couple strip and have sex on the beach by some rocks. The two Burmese get aroused, grab a hoe and beat them both to death, and rape the woman. They steal a mobile phone, sunglasses, go home to sleep, with no blood on any of their clothing. Next morning, they wake up, no angry people anywhere nearby, they go about their normal routines, not trying to flee anywhere. They get DNA tested a week later, and are cleared. Then a new head cop gets assigned, and they get hauled in to a 'safe house' (what a ridiculous term!) where they're told by threatening cops that they're illegals (in fact, they're not) and could get thrown in jail. They're also threatened with torture and forced to sign a confession they can't read, with no lawyers present. Oh, and their DNA now matches that found on the victim.

Scenario B. (seen by everyone else to be believable): Hassles at a Thai bar notorious for wild parties amid rumors of date-rape drugs often used. Thai owners and their friends are handsome and often score with various pretty young drunk farang gals. One night, a particularly cute blond gal is there. The Thai guys get her to go out (or simply follow her) late at night to a semi-secluded spot on the beach where sex often takes place. She resists one or more of the men's advances. Her farang man friend hears disturbance and comes to her aid. He gets killed. Now she is even more angry, and says/does something to offend the Thais, which sends them in to a rage. One or more of the Thais bludgeon her. All run away.

Which is simpler (and therefore fits with Occam's Razor), Scenario A or Scenario B?

[loonodingle]

Your right catsanddogs....in fact he looks downright miserable. Perhaps he is being forced to do something against his will.

He has some issue with how he holds his arm. This was apparent in the CCTV as well which is another pointer towards him being on Koh Tao that weekend. Along with other things including his G/F saying she was in BKK alone.

[boomerangutang]

Thanks falangjim for reminding us of that news article from September 23. The Gang of 4 should be required to read it once after every meal, and then look in a mirror and ask themselves 'Am I shielding the Headman's people, or not?' or 'If I'm successful in shielding the Headman's people, then that means there will continue to be several vile murderers and rapists walking around Ko Tao, ready to strike again, knowing they're untouchable.'

Here is an excerpt from that article:

"The police have arrested a suspect in the murder of two British tourists in Koh Tao and are still hunting for a second suspect who has escaped into Bangkok.

Eighth Region Police Command commissioner Pol Lt-Gen Panya Mamen identified the first suspect as Mon.

He is the brother of a village headman in Koh Tao.

He was arrested after evidence which police collected were examined and proved he was involved, he said.

He also said another suspect is also a son of that village headman. But he has already to Bangkok.

He said both suspects were captured by CCTV cameras and the police have gathered enough evidence to implicate them in the murders."

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It was soon after that bit of police work, that the original head cop was abruptly pulled from his position, and a replacement quickly put in place. No surprise to those of us who plainly see the Headman's people are being fully protected by Thai officialdom.