Tottenham Thread

[Kadilo]

9 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

Can we play on that pitch every game.

Ian Wright was saying on the radio that City should be asking for compensation for having to play on that pitch. 

[3 minus 2]

28 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Ian Wright was saying on the radio that City should be asking for compensation for having to play on that pitch. 

wright never stops reminding us that he is basically THICK  a <deleted>,, thf bbc radio in the main seem to b rid of him atm

[3 minus 2]

1 hour ago, RonniePickering22 said:

Sissoko off....Winks on Please.

nah sissoko gives us muscle, we just dont have enuf AND he constantly does those 20 30 yrd runs ,, but winks did well enuf when he did come on

[owl sees all]

9 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

yeah atm they are approaching the best since the  prem lge started , still dont think they are quite up there with that liverpool team of the v late 70's / 80's ,,, considering the time they were TRULY on a diferent planet   and spurs are v capable of beating man city tonight,, i'de like a win but to say i aint that bothered would be ott BUT more important  is  both teams go for the win and there's a good competetive game,, 

 

Good shout 3m2. I'm with you on the Liverpool teams. Utd too, and Arsenal and Leeds. They all did it for a number of seasons; especially Pool and Utd.

 

There have been some fantastic teams in England's top flight, Most only did it for one or two years; as with City (now) and 61 Spurs, Forest, Chelsea, Villa even Man U of mid 60s.

 

The double winning Spurs team didn't do anything for the next few years, even with Jimmy Greaves joining them (FA cup win). They were the last English team to play 2-3-5 and have success. The others, especially Pool and Everton were playing 4-2-4. Leeds and then Liverpool were masters of the 4-2-4 (4-4-2).

 

Can City maintain their consistency? Time will tell. But it's getting tougher to dominate for longer than a couple of seasons.

 

Just a thought. There were only (only) 56K at the game last night. Why not play at Arsenal's or WHU's ground?

 

 

 

[Bredbury Blue]

2 hours ago, owl sees all said:

Good shout 3m2. I'm with you on the Liverpool teams. Utd too, and Arsenal and Leeds. They all did it for a number of seasons; especially Pool and Utd.

 

There have been some fantastic teams in England's top flight, Most only did it for one or two years; as with City (now) and 61 Spurs, Forest, Chelsea, Villa even Man U of mid 60s.

 

The double winning Spurs team didn't do anything for the next few years, even with Jimmy Greaves joining them (FA cup win). They were the last English team to play 2-3-5 and have success. The others, especially Pool and Everton were playing 4-2-4. Leeds and then Liverpool were masters of the 4-2-4 (4-4-2).

 

Can City maintain their consistency? Time will tell. But it's getting tougher to dominate for longer than a couple of seasons.

 

Just a thought. There were only (only) 56K at the game last night. Why not play at Arsenal's or WHU's ground?

 

 

 

 

Owl, I just had a look at Spurs home crowds at Wembley this season (see below):

Wed 18 August 2018 Spurs 3-1 Fulham 58,297 League
Sat 15 September 2018 Spurs 1-2 Liverpool 80,188 League
Sat 6 October 2018 Spurs 1-0 Cardiff 43,268 League
Mon 29 October 2018 Spurs 0-1 Man City 56,854 League

 

Maybe 56k for a Monday night game is a good crowd for Spurs? Be interested to hear the Spurs fans opinions. 

[alfieconn]

Considering the start we got i don't think we done too badly, in the end them capitalizing on a mistake we made and us not capitalizing on there's was obviously the difference. Possession was fairly even and we had spells where we put the pressure on although not really looking like scoring and obviously Pep was a bit worried which showed by the substitutions he made. 

On a side issue it was good to see how much walker has improved since he went to City, certainly come on leaps and bounds and must be worth double what they paid for him now ????.

Another quick point, does anyone know if Mendy and Sissoko are related ?

[owl sees all]

17 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

Owl, I just had a look at Spurs home crowds at Wembley this season (see below):

Wed 18 August 2018 Spurs 3-1 Fulham 58,297 League
Sat 15 September 2018 Spurs 1-2 Liverpool 80,188 League
Sat 6 October 2018 Spurs 1-0 Cardiff 43,268 League
Mon 29 October 2018 Spurs 0-1 Man City 56,854 League

 

Maybe 56k for a Monday night game is a good crowd for Spurs? Be interested to hear the Spurs fans opinions. 

Yes it is a good crowd of 56K, not to be sneezed at. But the overheads must be massive, and the pitch is now <deleted> (not that it would have helped Spurs last night). And, as has often been debated on TVForum, Wembley is the place which gives the away team a lift.

[carmine]

43 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

 

Owl, I just had a look at Spurs home crowds at Wembley this season (see below):

Wed 18 August 2018 Spurs 3-1 Fulham 58,297 League
Sat 15 September 2018 Spurs 1-2 Liverpool 80,188 League
Sat 6 October 2018 Spurs 1-0 Cardiff 43,268 League
Mon 29 October 2018 Spurs 0-1 Man City 56,854 League

 

Maybe 56k for a Monday night game is a good crowd for Spurs? Be interested to hear the Spurs fans opinions. 

 

Are you not aware that the police restrict attendances as and when they please?

[carmine]

4 hours ago, 3 minus 2 said:

wright never stops reminding us that he is basically THICK  a <deleted>,, thf bbc radio in the main seem to b rid of him atm

ian Wright is a goner through and through and a total <deleted>.  A halfwit of a pundit, along with Shearer, paid a fortune to talk <deleted>.  Living proof that being a fine footballer has no relevance on whether or not you are able to string a half intelligent sentence together on television.

 

They are to tv what Adrian Durham is to radio.

[carmine]

15 hours ago, Rc2702 said:

I'm sure carmine and co are all banking that but there is no fun in that result. Been a while since a silly result happened and it is Monday night football the cold snap is also back so maybe a silly result is on the cards

And then again, you could get it wrong, yet again!!

 

 

[carmine]

15 hours ago, Kadilo said:

It’s all part of the banter.

You will see how much they are not too bothered about winning later if they win this evening. 

They are playing the Premiership Champions, it’s a massive game of course they want to win and will expect a performance to match 

Its really not part of the banter.  What is clearly part of it is City fans trying to convince themselves they do not possess the massive superiority that they clearly do.  They didn't even need de Bruyne or Sane!!

 

I say again, i had, have little interest in a game i knew we would lose.  They are not competition to us and if we nicked a point it would have been a huge bonus.....then there's the reality, and that is they will win although i thought we did quiet well.  So all the jibes of if we won and how we would react is a simple nothing retort because at the end of the day look at their superiority in every facet of the game.  How dare they question how other club, who feed off scraps compared to them should celebrate.  Frankly they should button it and stop whining.

 

Regards the game, I didn't like Poch's game management and thought that substitutions should have been made earlier, at half time,  because Dele and Eriksen are two of our game changers and they seemed to concern Guardiola a little.  

 

City's strength in depth is mental, look at the quality on that bench,  although saying that Mendy looks really crap, and Kyle Walker is, well he's Kyle Walker.  Exactly the same player we sold, just playing within the leagues best team, that clearly flatters him.  However i thought trippier was defensively poor on the night and i'm still far from convinced about Aurier.

[carmine]

21 hours ago, mrbojangles said:

Unbelievable in here at the moment. Getting excuses in all nice and early, playing down your own chances, whilst at the same time the knives are nice and sharpened. You seem to have all the bases covered, except we can see right through it

Yes its quite unbelievable how City fans are still carrying on like they don't have an absurd advantage over 95% of the entire league.  Get real!!  You ain't competition to us and nor should you be.  Oil pummel being hemorrhaged on you over recent years saw to that.

 

The only excitement now is seeing if mighty money bags slips up to a minnow and then we can all sit back and have a giggle before you go and romp off with the title again.  Your strength in depth will see to that.

[carmine]

21 hours ago, Kadilo said:

Miracle? You are only two points behind them. 

Sounds like a lot of Mourinhoing going on here pre match. 

 

Yes but with key players injured or just back from injury, not playing particularly well and possibly won some games fortuitously.  Oh and add to that City going through everyone like a hot knife through butter.

 

Don't be fooled by City fans trying to big up the competitive situation because they have hang ups about they true perception of their superiority.

[Bredbury Blue]

1 hour ago, alfieconn said:

Considering the start we got i don't think we done too badly, in the end them capitalizing on a mistake we made and us not capitalizing on there's was obviously the difference. Possession was fairly even and we had spells where we put the pressure on although not really looking like scoring and obviously Pep was a bit worried which showed by the substitutions he made. 

On a side issue it was good to see how much walker has improved since he went to City, certainly come on leaps and bounds and must be worth double what they paid for him now ????.

Another quick point, does anyone know if Mendy and Sissoko are related ?

Did you watch the game? City easily better in the first half, Spurs had a go 2nd half. But look at the chances created stats not the possession stats as Pep was content to try to close it down / contain spurs 2nd half as we did at liverpool. Spurs had very chances bar Lamela's golden chance. We hadplentyof chances and should have put it to bed.

 

Your comments on Walker. But did he gift a goal as the oft lauded on here Trippier did? No. Walker was ok in defense but poor going forward.

 

I thought  sissoko did ok and at least put an effort in.

 

I agree with you on Mendy though...he was absolute bobbins ...3/10 at best and should give Fernandinho  and Laporte this week's  wages as they absolutely  carried him.

 

[carmine]

Bredbury Blue thinks that Walker was good in defense!!!????

 

Moving on to something less preposterous, if Liverpool of Chelsea can undo City, exploiting the obvious weaknesses at left and right back is a big angle.  Obviously they are blessed with a terrific midfield infant of them but theres the weakness.  Mendy and Walker.  Tottenham didn't put them under much pressure yet they still looked poor, Mendy laughable at times.

 

Aside of that City didn't play to their normal high standard with the pitch probably having much to do with it but they still won relatively easily as i thought they would.

[smokie36]

9 minutes ago, carmine said:

Bredbury Blue thinks that Walker was good in defense!!!????

 

Moving on to something less preposterous, if Liverpool of Chelsea can undo City, exploiting the obvious weaknesses at left and right back is a big angle.  Obviously they are blessed with a terrific midfield infant of them but theres the weakness.  Mendy and Walker.  Tottenham didn't put them under much pressure yet they still looked poor, Mendy laughable at times.

 

Aside of that City didn't play to their normal high standard with the pitch probably having much to do with it but they still won relatively easily as i thought they would.

 

No surprises for us as we know they are a much better squad than ours.

 

It seems the City fans are in a constant state of shock when they win however the poor little lambs.

[carmine]

14 minutes ago, RonniePickering22 said:

 

No surprises for us as we know they are a much better squad than ours.

 

It seems the City fans are in a constant state of shock when they win however the poor little lambs.

And how predictable is it the way they try to big up the opposition when in reality week in week out they can just sit back and watch City hammer side after side, hammering so called competition,  that in reality is running on a budget equivalent to the wages they pay average squad member for their annual salary.  Too right we'd rip the piss out of them if we beat them but realistically it ain't going to happen.  Theres only two teams in the entire league that at full strength can go toe to toe with them but they don't have the squad depth.

 

 

[owl sees all]

15 minutes ago, carmine said:

And how predictable is it the way they try to big up the opposition when in reality week in week out they can just sit back and watch City hammer side after side, hammering so called competition,  that in reality is running on a budget equivalent to the wages they pay average squad member for their annual salary.  Too right we'd rip the piss out of them if we beat them but realistically it ain't going to happen.

 

 

City have set new EPL standards. It's up to the other clubs to get in there to knock them from their lofty heights.
 

I don't like the defeatist attitude. "Oh, look how good their squad is!" "look at all their money!" "Look a their bench!"

 

All the clubs can't be top doggies at the same time. Spurs had their go in 1961. Right now it's City's turn. These things tend to go in cycles.

 

Liverpool are giving it a go. Why not the other clubs?

 

Some of these supporters should know when they are well off.

 

 

[carmine]

6 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

City have set new EPL standards. It's up to the other clubs to get in there to knock them from their lofty heights.
 

I don't like the defeatist attitude. "Oh, look how good their squad is!" "look at all their money!" "Look a their bench!"

 

All the clubs can't be top doggies at the same time. Spurs had their go in 1961. Right now it's City's turn. These things tend to go in cycles.

 

Liverpool are giving it a go. Why not the other clubs?

 

Some of these supporters should know when they are well off.

 

 

Agree with all that.  But then theres reality unfortunately.  Footballs now a business and bar very rare exceptions its just about who's got the biggest wad.  And then their fans spend the following seasons trying to pretend they are gamefully beating really tough opposition.  Cynical, yes, i suppose so but true, yes,  i'm afraid so!!

 

btw, how on earth can you draw a comparison with Bill Nich's double winning side and these sugar daddy clubs?  That team was created by a manager that was simply way ahead of his time, not put together by a talented manager and some super rich blokes fat wallet!!!  

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, carmine said:

Agree with all that.  But then theres reality unfortunately.  Footballs now a business and bar very rare exceptions its just about who's got the biggest wad.  And then their fans spend the following seasons trying to pretend they are gamefully beating really tough opposition.  Cynical, yes, i suppose so but true, yes,  i'm afraid so!!

Leicester didn't have the bank roll (I guess you refer to them). But they had desire, team spirit in abundance and not too many 'prima donnas' (oh! look at my haircut - please don't touch it).

 

I've no idea what some of these clubs are doing between match days. Can't be training, or working on their skills, can it!?

 

I like the footy talk and for a lot of clubs it is time to take stock and re-evaluate.

 

Spurs will have their day (season) again soon. They should have had it under Harry but somehow threw away so many points when they had a seriously good team.

 

[carmine]

10 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

Leicester didn't have the bank roll (I guess you refer to them). But they had desire, team spirit in abundance and not too many 'prima donnas' (oh! look at my haircut - please don't touch it).

 

I've no idea what some of these clubs are doing between match days. Can't be training, or working on their skills, can it!?

 

I like the footy talk and for a lot of clubs it is time to take stock and re-evaluate.

 

Spurs will have their day (season) again soon. They should have had it under Harry but somehow threw away so many points when they had a seriously good team.

 

I love it when fans of the sugar daddy clubs use Leicester as an example.  Its because the best retort they can muster is to cite a club that won the league as 5000/1 outsiders although, in fairness there was only one person on here stupid enough to use leicester as his example.   It was just a marvelous one off fairytale. 

[Bredbury Blue]

CARMINE: Bredbury Blue thinks that Walker was good in defense!!!

 

I said Walker was "ok". Since when did good and ok mean the same. Doh!

 

 

CARMINE: Moving on to something less preposterous, if Liverpool of Chelsea can undo City, exploiting the obvious weaknesses at left and right back is a big angle.

 

I will agree that our fullbacks is were we are weakest (Walker..Danilo..Mendy) but its interesting that it was YOUR fullbacks who were exploited last night.

[RickG16]

3 minutes ago, carmine said:

It was just a marvelous one off fairytale. 

You can't win the league by fluke. It is 38 games over which you play all the top teams home and away.

 

It was an extraordinary season, but this isn't like a non league team beating a top flight team in a one off Cup game. A number of things came together for them at the right time.

 

So what were those things? The right manager; a striker in the form of his life; a playmaker also in the form of his life that had a synergy with the striker; a team of tremendously hard working players that supported those 2 players; a specialist in his position who has since gone on to become a World Cup winner. And an amazing team spirit.

 

Could it happen again? Absolutely. 

[Bredbury Blue]

40 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

City have set new EPL standards. It's up to the other clubs to get in there to knock them from their lofty heights.
 

I don't like the defeatist attitude. "Oh, look how good their squad is!" "look at all their money!" "Look a their bench!"

 

All the clubs can't be top doggies at the same time. Spurs had their go in 1961. Right now it's City's turn. These things tend to go in cycles.

 

Liverpool are giving it a go. Why not the other clubs?

 

Some of these supporters should know when they are well off.

 

 

Sensible words Owl. How right you are that football goes in cycles.

 

Enjoy it while you can and it's  only a game despite what Frankly Mr Shankly once said.

 

[owl sees all]

5 minutes ago, carmine said:

I love it when fans of the sugar daddy clubs use Leicester as an example.  Its because the best retort they can muster is to cite a club that won the league as 5000/1 outsiders although, in fairness there was only one person on here stupid enough to use leicester as his example.   It was just a marvelous one off fairytale. 

I know you are not referring to me carmine but even if you were it wouldn't matter one bit. It's not ALL about money. Sure it helps; but a bit of decent management and fans sticking together goes a long way.

 

As for City. Well they have been waiting years to rub Utd's nose in it and they are cock-a-hoop to be able to do it. I don't begrudge them one bit. Spurs are the same with Arsenal. Waiting, waiting, waiting,,,,. They had the players under Harry but blew it.

[Bredbury Blue]

6 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

You can't win the league by fluke. It is 38 games over which you play all the top teams home and away.

 

It was an extraordinary season, but this isn't like a non league team beating a top flight team in a one off Cup game. A number of things came together for them at the right time.

 

So what were those things? The right manager; a striker in the form of his life; a playmaker also in the form of his life that had a synergy with the striker; a team of tremendously hard working players that supported those 2 players; a specialist in his position who has since gone on to become a World Cup winner. And an amazing team spirit.

 

Could it happen again? Absolutely. 

And lets not forget the season before leicester were champions they were in a relegation battle and sacked their manager for his sons indiscretions. It was an amazing achievement by leicester and nobody  should  ever degrade it. They were good enough. They wanted it. They won it! Fair play  to them and i have no doubt it will happen again in the future by another club.

[carmine]

7 minutes ago, RickG16 said:

You can't win the league by fluke. It is 38 games over which you play all the top teams home and away.

 

It was an extraordinary season, but this isn't like a non league team beating a top flight team in a one off Cup game. A number of things came together for them at the right time.

 

So what were those things? The right manager; a striker in the form of his life; a playmaker also in the form of his life that had a synergy with the striker; a team of tremendously hard working players that supported those 2 players; a specialist in his position who has since gone on to become a World Cup winner. And an amazing team spirit.

 

Could it happen again? Absolutely. 

Who's suggesting it was a fluke?  Not me, no one to my knowledge.  

 

As for the last line of your post.  Well, of course it could, so keep putting a ton down at 5000/1 outsiders if you think its so absolutely likely to happen again.

 

You be better off sticking a score on United winning the title under Mourinho!!

[RickG16]

Just now, carmine said:

Who's suggesting it was a fluke?  Not me, no one to my knowledge.  

 

As for the last line of your post.  Well, of course it could, so keep putting a ton down at 5000/1 outsiders if you think its so absolutely likely to happen again.

 

You be better off sticking a score on United winning the title under Mourinho!!

That's why you wouldn't make a good sports gambler.

 

Has it ever occurred to you that the bookies are only making an educated guess, the same as the punters are? Like a lot of us, the bookies were sleeping on Leicester and the potential within their squad. We can't blame them, but it has now been proven the 5,000/1 was completely inaccurate.

 

The bookies got it wrong, and they will get it wrong again in the future. 

[carmine]

2 minutes ago, Bredbury Blue said:

And lets not forget the season before leicester were champions they were in a relegation battle and sacked their manager for his sons indiscretions. It was an amazing achievement by leicester and nobody  should  ever degrade it. They were good enough. They wanted it. They won it! Fair play  to them and i have no doubt it will happen again in the future by another club.

yep right on time and so predictable. Ofcourse its going to happen again probably when my little nephew who is currently at kindergarten receives his telegram from the queen.   What a preposterous football fantasy you live in.

[carmine]

1 minute ago, RickG16 said:

That's why you wouldn't make a good sports gambler.

 

Has it ever occurred to you that the bookies are only making an educated guess, the same as the punters are? Like a lot of us, the bookies were sleeping on Leicester and the potential within their squad. We can't blame them, but it has now been proven the 5,000/1 was completely inaccurate.

 

The bookies got it wrong, and they will get it wrong again in the future. 

What has occurred to me is that i've never met a saint bookie because they rarely get it wrong.

 

Go figure.  Ofcourse it can happen again but the odds of a repeat any year soon would be staggering.