How do you define "nanny state"?

[watcharacters]

The term's been bandied about on  TV since I've been a member  but I've never really heard any kind  of definition for it.

 

So what do you think constitutes a nanny state?       Is it always a bad thing or  are there some positive attributes to it?   What is it?

[daveAustin]

Country with a gov that has too many rules and regs and constantly tells you 'what's best'. UK is right up there, but has taken it to the nth degree with unbearable PCness and trying not to offend anybody. It is puke-worthy and anyone who has lived away then gone back will vouch for the above. Thailand seems freer and easier but is going the same way... aside from the PC aspect.

[kannot]

country where  people dont respect each other enough enforcing the use of  rules which  are  made for the lowest denominator in society

[watcharacters]

3 minutes ago, kannot said:

country where  people dont respect each other enough enforcing the use of  rules which  are  made for the lowest denominator in society

 

 

 

Would you please explain your thoughts a  bit more?     

[kannot]

14 minutes ago, daveAustin said:

Country with a gov that has too many rules and regs and constantly tells you 'what's best'. UK is right up there, but has taken it to the nth degree with unbearable PCness and trying not to offend anybody. It is puke-worthy and anyone who has lived away then gone back will vouch for the above. Thailand seems freer and easier but is going the same way... aside from the PC aspect.

The  problem is theres  always an element of idiots  who take things too  far...............look at the driving for instance in Thailand, if  they  showed a bit more  care  attention and not me me me then rules  would never get employed............speeding is  one example, speeding is  not dangerous in the right conditions, I got  pulled  over in the UK at 3  am in the morning, middle  of Wales  clear  night not freezing dry road  no one  else for miles around totally  safe ...........70mph......................compare with  someone 8 am rush hour weaving in and  out doing 30mph wet road many people about etc etc

Rules get made due to idiots which then get forced onto the many sane people in society due to the few's  irresponsibility

[4MyEgo]

Try Australia:  in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555

[watcharacters]

2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Try Australia:  in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555

 

 

You have not  really defined what you consider a nanny state but so be it.

 

 

Do you feel Thailand lets you do what you want?    REally?

 

 

I am  curious about a nanny state definition.

[i claudius]

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

Country with a gov that has too many rules and regs and constantly tells you 'what's best'. UK is right up there, but has taken it to the nth degree with unbearable PCness and trying not to offend anybody. It is puke-worthy and anyone who has lived away then gone back will vouch for the above. Thailand seems freer and easier but is going the same way... aside from the PC aspect.

 

You are so right , and to be honest the PC nonsense has gone far to far , i read that now its classed as a hate crime if you say anything bad about "ginger haired people"  what next people with big ears ?

I thought that the BBC had lost the plot ,making nearly half their progs with an interracial couple in it ,but when they but black and middle eastern people in the crowd scenes in Britain in the middle ages in an episode of Dr Who , i cringed , and dont get me started on "the artful dodger" being black in the last Dickens series .

[watcharacters]

49 minutes ago, kannot said:

The  problem is theres  always an element of idiots  who take things too  far...............look at the driving for instance in Thailand, if  they  showed a bit more  care  attention and not me me me then rules  would never get employed............speeding is  one example, speeding is  not dangerous in the right conditions, I got  pulled  over in the UK at 3  am in the morning, middle  of Wales  clear  night not freezing dry road  no one  else for miles around totally  safe ...........70mph......................compare with  someone 8 am rush hour weaving in and  out doing 30mph wet road many people about etc etc

Rules get made due to idiots which then get forced onto the many sane people in society due to the few's  irresponsibility

 

 

symptoms but how do you define a nanny state?

[impulse]

4 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

symptoms but how do you define a nanny state?

 

Same way you define porn.  Defining it would take up volumes.  But you know it when you see it.  In the case of the nanny state, when you live it.

[watcharacters]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Same way you define porn.  Defining it would take up volumes.  But you know it when you see it.  In the case of the nanny state, when you live it.

 

 

So you can't give specifics?     

 

Comparison to porn and I know the reference is not  quite the same but that's OK if that's your best shot.   no pun  intended.

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

So you can't give specifics?     

 

Comparison to porn and I know the reference is not  quite the same but that's OK if that's your best shot.   no pun  intended.

 

I could give you volumes of specifics.  But I hate typing and I'm pretty sure Google or Wikipedia has already done that.

 

Edit:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state

Edited December 4, 2016 by impulse

[NanLaew]

5 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Same way you define porn.  Defining it would take up volumes.  But you know it when you see it.  In the case of the nanny state, when you live it.

 

There's all sorts of different types of porn with the bits you don't care for and the bits that you like. Same same nanny state.

[4MyEgo]

21 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

 

 

You have not  really defined what you consider a nanny state but so be it.

 

 

Do you feel Thailand lets you do what you want?    REally?

 

 

I am  curious about a nanny state definition.

 

Too many laws, too controlling, too much restriction on peoples lives.

 

Yes, Thailand leaves me alone, I don't feel restricted or controlled, not knowing the language is even better, I am someone just in the LOS.

 

If you can't read my definition of a nanny state, then I can't help you 555

[ChristianBlessing]

You are searching in vain for a response as subjective as the person offering it. One person's orderly, well-governed society is another's over-regulated, politically correct state.

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[Jdiddy]

https://www.google.com.au/#q=nanny+state

 

 

Wasnt surprised to see "nanny state australia" pop up as 2nd choice when i typed that in lol

[ezzra]

And I used to think that nanny state is a state that provides nanny services for free,

or that you can take your kids to any government places and leave them there

for few hours... No? I was wrong than....

[kannot]

1 hour ago, watcharacters said:

 

 

symptoms but how do you define a nanny state?

rules made to control   a small minority of  morons which cost the country a  lot financially but   which then  affect the big majority of sane folk

[Gringogazzer]

A nanny state is a country that enforces laws that encroach on your personal liberty & common sense. But free to express your disquiet & have them changed.
A totalitarian state is one that enforces laws that demand to know where you are at all times & restrict expressing what your thinking or sharing those thoughts if they don't comply.
Freedom is an illusion in both but only one your free to change.

[daveAustin]

1 hour ago, ChristianBlessing said:

You are searching in vain for a response as subjective as the person offering it. One person's orderly, well-governed society is another's over-regulated, politically correct state.

 

That's an oxymoron, right there. I think there's a huge difference in orderly, well governed and going over the top. In the past 20 years especially, believe the UK has gone over the top... could be to do with the emergence of the fragile, mollycoddled snowflake generation. Folk that haven't travelled are largely in the dark.

[ChristianBlessing]

 
That's an oxymoron, right there. I think there's a huge difference in orderly, well governed and going over the top. In the past 20 years especially, believe the UK has gone over the top... could be to do with the emergence of the fragile, mollycoddled snowflake generation. Folk that haven't travelled are largely in the dark.

Were I to have posited both, obviously incongruous perspectives as one and same, then yes, we would have an oxymoron. Equally obvious would be how exceedingly unlikely it would be that a single person would entertain both perspectives. By definition perspective is subjective.

A true oxymoron would be a single someone suggesting that folks that haven't traveled are largely in the dark, while at the same time are knowledgeable, introspective and possibly even capable of real insight.

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[BEVUP]

7 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Try Australia:  in my opinion the government is unbearably overprotective and is always interfering with my personal choices, here in Thailand, I do what I want and no one bothers me, just the way I like it, my choice 555

To the OP

I suggest instead of asking here, because who knows where you are, try going to Auss & get a job on a major construction site doing Fly in Fly out & you would be in highest position of answering your own question after being belittled by the Auss Gov. & the International companies you had just worked for. 

Try your luck you may become a leading hand Rigger (iron worker) even though your a Concretor 

[BEVUP]

PS They even spent 50,000 on 10 mtrs of hand rail so you didnt take a 3mtr short cut across the 10 mm aggregate incase you heart yourself 

NOW THATS A NANNY STATE

[watcharacters]

7 hours ago, impulse said:

 

I could give you volumes of specifics.  But I hate typing and I'm pretty sure Google or Wikipedia has already done that.

 

Edit:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanny_state

 

 

 

NO problem.     I could have looked up the google answer.   I wanted to find out what members of this site who often use the term  find to be their personal  definition.

 

Thank you for the link and I don't'  expect  you to spend your time offering a personal opinion which is what I sought.

 

 

 

 

[Living in a cartoon]

I define it as a lame, trite expression used mainly by old geezers, dates from the Thatcher era. Anyone who uses it is an inarticulate village idiot.

[watcharacters]

17 minutes ago, BEVUP said:

To the OP

I suggest instead of asking here, because who knows where you are, try going to Auss & get a job on a major construction site doing Fly in Fly out & you would be in highest position of answering your own question after being belittled by the Auss Gov. & the International companies you had just worked for. 

Try your luck you may become a leading hand Rigger (iron worker) even though your a Concretor 

 

 

 

 

I spent many years in the construction industry and retired comfortably from it.        I know what safety is all about and I know some follow it and some do not.    I worked for a boss who cared nothing about safety and it was up to  me to say I won't do it.      His goal was to simply  save money for the company.   He seriously angered me regarding his lack of concern about my safety.

 

I exchange emails with him today and harbor no ill feelings.   

 

 

Please, ALL  tell me what you consider a NANNY STATE.       I wanted a nanny state in the past when I dealt with my boss on my own and said F you, John,  we  have to have a  a  building shut down.   My life natters to me even if it costs the building owner more money.

 

 

Nanny State?  What is a nanny state?    Not examples but a definition from ones thoughts plaase

 

 

 

 

[impulse]

19 minutes ago, watcharacters said:

NO problem.     I could have looked up the google answer.   I wanted to find out what members of this site who often use the term  find to be their personal  definition.

 

Thank you for the link and I don't'  expect  you to spend your time offering a personal opinion which is what I sought.

 

Some unsolicited thoughts?

 

I'd have framed the question differently and asked what drove us crazy about the nanny states we left behind.  Less like a 7th grade social studies essay question and more like an expat blog to vent some frustrations.

[Flanno]

What about a country which enforces a no gambling policy to the extreme while it allows criminals, both Thai and Farang, to carry on regardless of laws. Playing a card game called Bridge in which the cops raid and arrest participants. Is that a nanny state?

[Peterw42]

2 hours ago, watcharacters said:

 

 

 

NO problem.     I could have looked up the google answer.   I wanted to find out what members of this site who often use the term  find to be their personal  definition.

 

Thank you for the link and I don't'  expect  you to spend your time offering a personal opinion which is what I sought.

 

 

 

 

 

Its Big government, legislating every aspect of your life. Speed and red light cameras everytime you drive, thats fine if they are for safety but its revenue collection. I dont need the Gov to tell me to put on a pushbike helmet to ride 50m to the local shop. Ask anyone from Sydney Australia about 1am lock out laws, chopping down a tree in your own back yard etc

Its also legislation that controls your voice, You cant say a lot for fear of being politically incorrect or in breach of some anti racist, anti minority legislation. I dont have a racist bone in my body but I probably dont know what this week PC wording is. It leads to a culture where a manhole cover is a person access point.

 

Yes, I realise that Thailand has some pretty draconian laws and censorship, But I never feel like I am living in a nanny state.

[Peterw42]

2 hours ago, watcharacters said:

 

 

 

 

I spent many years in the construction industry and retired comfortably from it.        I know what safety is all about and I know some follow it and some do not.    I worked for a boss who cared nothing about safety and it was up to  me to say I won't do it.      His goal was to simply  save money for the company.   He seriously angered me regarding his lack of concern about my safety.

 

I exchange emails with him today and harbor no ill feelings.   

 

 

Please, ALL  tell me what you consider a NANNY STATE.       I wanted a nanny state in the past when I dealt with my boss on my own and said F you, John,  we  have to have a  a  building shut down.   My life natters to me even if it costs the building owner more money.

 

 

Nanny State?  What is a nanny state?    Not examples but a definition from ones thoughts plaase

 

 

 

 

 

Not being able to send your kids to school with peanut butter sandwiches. People are no longer responsible for there own welfare, children, etc. The state has stepped in and taken responsibility away from the individual.