Really had enough of Win 10.

elgordo38 · April 17, 2017

1 minute ago, ajarngreg said:

You're so right. Once we were so familiar with it, the next catastrophe was invented. W 8, one of the worst programs ever.

I'm just wondering if NASA would use W 10 for their computers to fly to Mars?

Why are all ATM's equipped with Windows XP? Maybe because it's so stable?

Ah yes stability a hard thing to accomplish in life. As I age I wobble more.

55Jay · April 17, 2017

Ah yes, MS Windows 10. The United Airlines of computer operating systems.

RigPig · April 17, 2017

32 minutes ago, elgordo38 said:

Reading your story and many other horror stories I stick with Windows 7. To old to teach this old dog new tricks Bow Wow

Me too, that's why I like Ubuntu, if you use he Gnome interface it is just like using XP anyway! There isn't much of a learning curve if you can use XP and are comfortable with it. It just does what it's told!!

elgordo38 · April 17, 2017

Just now, RigPig said:

Me too, that's why I like Ubuntu, if you use he Gnome interface it is just like using XP anyway! There isn't much of a learning curve if you can use XP and are comfortable with it. It just does what it's told!!

When you got to the words Gnome interface you lost me. The only Gnome I know is the one looking back at me from the mirror every morning. Happy Ubuntu to you to. Hope I got that right.

colinneil · April 17, 2017

1 hour ago, RigPig said:

Well I have 5 computers in various states of usefulness, I have been running Ubuntu Linux on all but one machine and have had no problems with the Ubuntu devices they do everything I need EXCEPT run dedicated Windoze software. I recently bought a new Chinese laptop, which came with Win 10 on it, solely to run the software I need to tune my Harley Davidson motorcycle. I really only wanted it to do this. I have done the creators edition upgrade on it and it appears to be up to date. I agree with a previous poster that it is nothing but spyware and a marketing tool packaged as an operaying system. It seems Microsoft has taken a page out of Googles book, and the Android operating system. The thing I don't like about both is that there are things which get installed that you can not get rid of whether you want or need them or not! It appears that if you "disable" the software and use something else it doesn't like it. Chrome, Widows Edge come to mind, I use Firefox as my browser, have done for years and am happy with it.I installed Avast free version and it just keeps wanting to sell me the pro version.

I find it VERY intrusive that I can not decide what I do and don't want to install on my computer, and indeed what software I run! I am fairly computer literate (I have an Associate Diploma in business computing - majoring in data communications), but I don't play around with them much anymore. Since my transition to Ubuntu I don't have to, no viruses or Malware, and it does what I want! It's also free as is all the software...

It has always been my belief that computers are tools and you just need it to do what is needed of it. It is no good giving a carpenter a ball pene hammer he can't pull nails out. It is no good giving a mechanic a claw hammer he can't make gaskets etc.

Most people just use computers for emails, Skype or Viber or something similar, writing letters, spreadsheets, storing photo's, surfing the net etc. Well Ubuntu comes with Libre Office (a MS Office clone) Firefox (or Chrome) and Thunderbird (which was written for Linux) the above mentioned communications programs, (there are Windows versions of all of these and they also are free!) and a plethora of software choices! You can scan and kill viruses on Windows drives and the virus can not infect your Ubuntu Linux machine!

However if you need something like Photo Shop or as in my case specific software for my bike, or other specific and specialised software that the makers don't do a Linux version then you have only one real choice I am afraid.

The only change I made to Ubuntu was I changed the interface from Unity to Gnome as I found it to be more like an older Windows XP machine to look at and use.

In fact years ago I had a coffee shop and got tired of spending all my time at home from the rigs cleaning the computers (that were for public use) up from viruses and such. So I installed Ubuntu on all the machines and found a script on the net to make it look like XP, NO ONE that ever used the computers knew the difference. I would come home and see that they had tried to install and run malicious software but it wouldn't work.

I know this is not what a lot of you want to hear and are scared of the transition / learning curve with something new. Trust me it isn't that great and you wont regret it.

Oh and did I mention IT'S FREE!! You can run both systems and select which one at boot up if you choose or make a bootable CD and run off that if you want.

Just food for thought, I certainly don't like the way Windows has gone and can see most of you would have prefered to stay with XP or Windows 7 so.... Up to you I guess... Oh and I believe if you don't upgrade to Win 10 you will be forced to by MicroSoft, the only thing Gates was really good at was marketing and keeping his market share, and I suspect they have been hurt lately by people choosing other alternatives, so this is their answer to their problems, not yours!!

rIGpig just like elgordo38 i am totally lost after reading your post.

Next time please post in simple plain language, so old buggers like us 2 can understand.

RigPig · April 17, 2017

14 minutes ago, colinneil said:

rIGpig just like elgordo38 i am totally lost after reading your post.

Next time please post in simple plain language, so old buggers like us 2 can understand.

SORRY couldn't make it any easier haha Simple dump Windoze altogether and try something else, it's not the only thing out there! My choice (as above) is Ubuntu, with Gnome desktop. Look it up on the net. I am even looking at buying a phone with it instead of Android...

55Jay · April 17, 2017

13 minutes ago, RigPig said:

SORRY couldn't make it any easier haha Simple dump Windoze altogether and try something else, it's not the only thing out there! My choice (as above) is Ubuntu, with Gnome desktop. Look it up on the net. I am even looking at buying a phone with it instead of Android...

I've got a dodgy Win10 install on a laptop just to see what it's like but don't use it day to day, wife uses it to run the TV only. Read about this open source OS stuff in the past and again today after your post. Curious.... might give it a go the next time a hardware or OS change is needed on the desktops. Win7 still plugging along but unfortunately, its days are numbered.

david555 · April 17, 2017

Check this out , all new things in the update ........even for the Win haters option to....Put off Windows Update for a year..!!

Before be cry baby' check the settings in the manual .....just like you did with your first car ....before complaining always ....nobody forces ou to use Windows ..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3184891/windows/inside-the-windows-10-creators-update-the-17-best-hidden-features.html#slide3

Edited April 17, 2017 by david555

bazza73 · April 17, 2017

42 minutes ago, colinneil said:

rIGpig just like elgordo38 i am totally lost after reading your post.

Next time please post in simple plain language, so old buggers like us 2 can understand.

You can get Linux operating systems FREE from the internet. You also get gmail and LibreOffice FREE. IMHO LibreOffice is just as good as Microsoft Office, and it doesn't keep changing drop-down menus, like some whiz-kid programmer at Microsoft who wants you to do the hunt-the- slipper routine on each new version for his private amusement.

Apart from getting systems which are much more user friendly, you get the satisfaction of sticking up two fingers to a company which is a triumph of marketing over usefulness. And makes you pay for it.

When you need an update, Linux, Ubuntu et al politely inform you updates are available. You can install them when you feel like it. Any version of Windows just takes control of your computer away from you for anything up to an hour while it puts yet another security patch on the gaping holes left by its programmers. I sometimes wonder if the X in XP is symbolic of the bandaids that have been used.

The smartest thing you can do is get someone younger to load up a Linux system suited to the age of your desktop or laptop, then bombard them with questions on how to run it. I had my son do it for me. While I don't claim to be a computer expert, I can get around fine. Microsoft is a distant memory, and not a fond one. Apple? Better, but they charge a hefty premium for that better.

I'm 73 yo. If I can do it, you can.

Edited April 17, 2017 by bazza73
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ajarngreg · April 17, 2017

Just now, david555 said:

Check this out , all new things in the update ........even for the Win haters option to....Put off Windows Update for a year..!!

Before be cry baby' check the settings in the manual .....just like you did with your first car ....before complaining always ....nobody forces ou to use Windows ..

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3184891/windows/inside-the-windows-10-creators-update-the-17-best-hidden-features.html#slide3

If someone has some issues regarding privacy: http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/

yogi100 · April 17, 2017

On 14/04/2017 at 9:09 AM, xylophone said:

As I recall you are quite knowledgeable on these things (much more so than I anyway) but can't you re-install W7 or get a download off the net??

I bought an Acer laptop with Windows 8.1 that I hated and just could not cope with. It was not possible to install W7 on it but W10 was so I upgraded to W10. I had a pal do it for me and had the old W7 start menu put on it and it's fine now.

But why they ever changed from W7 is a mystery. You can bet money was behind it!

Edited April 17, 2017 by yogi100

bazza73 · April 17, 2017

5 minutes ago, ajarngreg said:

If someone has some issues regarding privacy: http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/

So you're an expert in Windows 10. Let me know when you become a champion farnarkler.

RigPig · April 17, 2017

8 minutes ago, bazza73 said:

You can get Linux operating systems FREE from the internet. You also get gmail and LibreOffice FREE. IMHO LibreOffice is just as good as Microsoft Office, and it doesn't keep changing drop-down menus, like some whiz-kid programmer at Microsoft who wants you to do the hunt-the- slipper routine on each new version for his private amusement.

Apart from getting systems which are much more user friendly, you get the satisfaction of sticking up two fingers to a company which is a triumph of marketing over usefulness. And makes you pay for it.

When you need an update, Linux, Ubuntu et al politely inform you updates are available. You can install them when you feel like it. Any version of Windows just takes control of your computer away from you for anything up to an hour while it puts yet another security patch on the gaping holes left by its programmers. I sometimes wonder if the X in XP is symbolic of the bandaids that have been used.

The smartest thing you can do is get someone younger to load up a Linux system suited to the age of your desktop or laptop, then bombard them with questions on how to run it. I had my son do it for me. While I don't claim to be a computer expert, I can get around fine. Microsoft is a distant memory, and not a fond one. Apple? Better, but they charge a hefty premium for that better.

I'm 73 yo. If I can do it, you can.

Couldn't agree more, if it wasn't for the writers of the software I need for my bike I wouldn't (and don't) use Wndoze anymore.

RigPig · April 17, 2017

3 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

I bought an Acer laptop with Windows 8.1 that I hated and just could not cope with. I was not possible to install W7 on it but W10 was so I upgraded to W10. I had a pal do it for me and had the old W7 start menu put on it and it's fine now.

But why they ever changed from W7 is a mystery. You can bet money was behind it!

It sure as he11 wasn't for your benefit!!

RigPig · April 17, 2017

Plus no need for anti virus, malware, spyware programs, you can if you want but not necessary with Linux!!

RigPig · April 17, 2017

20 minutes ago, ajarngreg said:

If someone has some issues regarding privacy: http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/

GREAT article, VERYYYYY interesting. Google is doing the same with Android though, and MS has learned by it. Their OS for phones has been rubbished by the masses so it needs to look at other alternatives!!

laislica · April 17, 2017

On 16/04/2017 at 10:07 AM, xylophone said:

The OP has said that he is just a novice and that he would go back to Windows 7 if he could, so maybe I'm being a little bit too simplistic (being somewhat of a novice myself) so why not just install Windows 7 again?

Maybe the installation disk came with his computer last time and it's lurking around somewhere, or even buy one from the Internet because I've seen them available, this when I tried to install Windows 10 on many occasions, with no success, and I thought I might have to do this, especially when the whole computer seemed to go haywire.

I have a friend with a Lenova, looks a bit like a TV with a keyboard and mouse.

It came with all sorts of stuff pre-installed and I helped upgrade it from 8.1 to 10 during the free upgrade period.

It was a total PITA to do! Lenova driver support was not easy to get.

Perhaps it's more a problem with Lenova/drivers than Windows 10.

I have 10 running beautifully on laptops of two different makes and a home assembled tower, and all of them are a few years old!

I found and used 8.1 drivers when there was no 10 driver and all is OK.

Might be worth getting "A local computer guy" to have a look at it?

williet98248 · April 17, 2017

I refused to download Win 10 for months until one morning I woke up and there it was... installed on my PC. I had W7 for years and it was mostly trouble free. At least I was comfortable with it. But I had a Windows OS Acer Laptop and it was always in the shop. After about the eighth time in the shop and it failed again I went out to my personal shop and took a four pound hammer to it. Dang that felt good.

I bought a little second hand MacBook Air. In two years it has never had to be repaired. It is now seven years old and just keeps on humming along.

After several weeks trying to use W10 I had W7 re-installed on my PC. But I had hardware/software problems with the PC and it too was in the shop many times. Finally it went up in smoke, not literally, but everything on the PC was lost; couldn't recover anything. It had been totally rebuilt and upgraded just the year before!

Bought a second hand iMac desktop; had it upgraded to Sierra (the latest OS), installed a fusion drive (over a terrabyte of memory) and it works like a dream. I do not ever expect it see the the inside of a workshop ever again. Cost me about 50% of new. I expect to die before it does.

I had a Samsung SIII Smartphone. It had some operating problems and the repair shops couldn't agree if there was a problem or not. One shop said "big problem, buy a new one!" The other shop said, "Seems OK, just a software hiccup. Good to go." So...sometimes it worked and other times...not.

I bought a second hand iPhone. Never a problen in the two years I have owned it.

After two decades as an MSN and Android user I have gone totally Apple. Wish I had done it years ago.

ajarngreg · April 17, 2017

25 minutes ago, williet98248 said:

I refused to download Win 10 for months until one morning I woke up and there it was... installed on my PC. I had W7 for years and it was mostly trouble free. At least I was comfortable with it. But I had a Windows OS  Acer Laptop and it was always in the shop. After about the eighth time in the shop and it failed again I went out to my personal shop and took a four pound hammer to it. Dang that felt good.

I bought a little second hand MacBook Air. In two years it has never had to be repaired. It is now seven years old and just keeps on humming along.

After several weeks trying to use W10 I had W7 re-installed on my PC. But I had hardware/software problems with the PC and it too was in the shop many times. Finally it went up in smoke, not literally, but everything on the PC was lost; couldn't recover anything. It had been totally rebuilt and upgraded just the year before!

Bought a second hand iMac desktop; had it upgraded to Sierra (the latest OS), installed a fusion drive (over a terrabyte of memory) and it works like a dream. I do not ever expect it see the the inside of a workshop ever again. Cost me about 50% of new. I expect to die before it does.

I had a Samsung SIII Smartphone. It had some operating problems and the repair shops couldn't agree if there was a problem or not. One shop said "big problem, buy a new one!" The other shop said, "Seems OK, just a software hiccup. Good to go." So...sometimes it worked and other times...not.

I bought a second hand  iPhone. Never a problen in the two years I have owned it.

After two decades as an MSN and Android user I have gone totally Apple. Wish I had done it years ago.

Sounds very familiar to me. My first PC in LOS was running XP and I needed a new program almost every second week.

Then, after a year doing so, there were only two alternatives left, learn how to do it alone, or buying a new one and maybe go through all the same bs again?

I finally decided to sit down at the PC shop which wasn't a problem, because the owner was a friend of mine. I watched how the "technicians" made such a setup and I soon realized that they couldn't read anything that popped up when something didn't go the usual way.

The installation CD, plus the thumb drives they were using were so full of viruses and Trojan horses that it was clear that with each "new install", at this time 250 baht, they also introduced severe malware on the system.

Even when I'd spent many sleepless nights trying to figure out the best ways to keep my system running, I'm now really happy that I went that way.

I was so sick and tired to bring my PC to a show where I knew that the mechanics had no freaking idea about problems that might occur.

One of the technicians had no idea how to get the right driver for the network card and I googled it for him and finally did the set up alone.

Okay, there might be some very good guys out there, but the majority can only do certain tasks. If something pops up that needs their attention they just don't know what it means.

You seem to be happy with Apple and that's okay for me. But I stick to Windows because it's cheaper and should I encounter a problem at work, I know exactly what to do to be successful.

Not too many people have the money to buy an iPhone, Apple desktop, etc.. so there must be ways to live with the cheaper versions.

Edited April 17, 2017 by ajarngreg

xylophone · April 17, 2017

5 hours ago, transam said:

A copy of.............

Just a few years ago a friend told me he was buying a new laptop from Big C here because there was a special on pricing and he was delighted because they said although it did not come with Windows 7 preloaded, they would load it for him for 800 baht.

I found this suspicious because it seemed remarkably cheap, so I went along to the shop with him and there was the assistant loading Windows 7 onto the laptop. When I asked her if it was genuine, she said that it definitely was genuine and showed me a couple of the other "genuine" copies they had!

Sure enough it was a copy, but it was a copy from the genuine article, so she considered it genuine. Should have realised TIT!!

RigPig · April 17, 2017

You guys do realise that Apples OS is Linux based... don't you?

transam · April 17, 2017

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Just a few years ago a friend told me he was buying a new laptop from Big C here because there was a special on pricing and he was delighted because they said although it did not come with Windows 7 preloaded, they would load it for him for 800 baht.

I found this suspicious because it seemed remarkably cheap, so I went along to the shop with him and there was the assistant loading Windows 7 onto the laptop. When I asked her if it was genuine, she said that it definitely was genuine and showed me a couple of the other "genuine" copies they had!

Sure enough it was a copy, but it was a copy from the genuine article, so she considered it genuine. Should have realised TIT!!

There lay the problem.....MS does pick it up....am sure of it, and then does stuff that messes stuff up to the copies.....

RigPig · April 17, 2017

As is Android.....

ajarngreg · April 17, 2017

7 minutes ago, transam said:

There lay the problem.....MS does pick it up....am sure of it, and then does stuff that messes stuff up to the copies.....

Not when you've got certain programs to make W 7 genuine, with functioning updates, etc, which is usually turned off by these shops to prevent MS finding out of a pirated copy.

There's an easy tool, where people just remove something that enables Microsoft to find it out, called WAT.

Edited April 17, 2017 by ajarngreg

abab · April 17, 2017

Poor you, Windows 10 is the best OS ever made and you are not able to use it...

Jorgendk · April 17, 2017

On ‎16‎-‎04‎-‎2017 at 10:07 AM, xylophone said:

so why not just install Windows 7 again?

Because it is not windows itself that is his problem !

I have changed from Win./ to Win 10. Not a lot of differens, and no problems.

As I read his problems.. He need a good mail program. Not another version of Windows.

I my self youse Microsoft Outlook 2010.

NB I am what they i Thiland might be called a Professionel with a computer = A fearly good amateaur

RigPig · April 17, 2017

No actually, the OP is correct, I also experience intermittent problems with Gmail, and I use the web service not an email program. I am having one now, it doesn't happen all the time but it looks like Googles server is blocked, possibly because I disabled MS Edge and Explorer? It NEVER happens with any of the Ubuntu machines Hmmmmm suspicious!!!

xylophone · April 17, 2017

4 minutes ago, Jorgendk said:

Because it is not windows itself that is his problem !

Maybe not, but the original poster actually stated that he would like to install Windows 7 again if he could, so that's what I was referring to. However as you say, if there are other problems which he could fix on Windows 10, maybe that's a better alternative.

Having said that, there seem to be a lot of folks out there who are having problems with Windows 10 and I personally prefer Windows 7 and will stick with it for as long as I can and may well take other posters advice and look at Linux or Ubuntu later down the track.

RigPig · April 17, 2017

I obviously have an internet connection, as this is being sent!! Could MS be planning a clandistine war against Googles dominance? wouldn't be the first time!! Just enough to get you P'd off enough to go to their alternate services...

RigPig · April 17, 2017

Just now, xylophone said:

Maybe not, but the original poster actually stated that he would like to install Windows 7 again if he could, so that's what I was referring to. However as you say, if there are other problems which he could fix on Windows 10, maybe that's a better alternative.

Having said that, there seem to be a lot of folks out there who are having problems with Windows 10 and I personally prefer Windows 7 and will stick with it for as long as I can and may well take other posters advice and look at Linux or Ubuntu later down the track.

Firstly Ubuntu is just one "flavor" of Linux, there are a few but I have found most of them are designed for BIG networking, which makes you ask the question, why big companies use Linux for their server networks.......

Food for thought huh?

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