Nazi style swastika items showing up more for sale in Pattaya

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[TaaSaparot]

Can only imagine the Guy has had grief if he has to add notices with "Thailand Freedom" and "Thailand, Only Fashion" to his items on sale.

 

[transam]

25 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The Thai education system does not include research, asking questions or truth-seeking. Thailand is not called the 'land of secrets and half-truths' for nothing.

 

That said about Thailand; what about that UK royal family member who dressed up as a Nazi quite recently?! And those pics of the UK royals giving the Nazi salute?! As an English man these people are more disgusting to me than an ignorant market trader in a third world - know nothing - country.

As a kid at school in the early sixties we had history lessons. There was not a single word about Nazi stuff, my knowledge of it came from watching television programs of which "The World at War" was a real eye opener...

[owl sees all]

10 minutes ago, revelstone said:

That's why the press so rightly vilified them. 

The press vilified them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

I would - at the very lest - have sent them back to Germany and would have not been against a crime of treason against the British people. These slimes need to be sent back where they came from; Nazi worshipers (along with the US Bush clan).

[owl sees all]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

As a kid at school in the early sixties we had history lessons. There was not a single word about Nazi stuff, my knowledge of it came from watching television programs of which "The World at War" was a real eye opener.

Quite right transam.

 

Fortunately my parents both came through WW2 intact. They both spoke about their experiences. Dad was a 'Chindit' during the war and told me a lot about the 'goings-on' by the Japanese and Thai authorites. I wish I had take more interest in his words.

 

The 'Rock and Roll years' series was a real eye opener to world affairs for many.

 

'All our yesteryears' another.

[Thorgal]

 
This chap was often seen riding his bike around Chiang Rai. The other side of his helmet has the SS runes, and the front a swastika.
 
I snapped this picture at some lights. He got quite excited and swore at me in German.
 
I haven't seen him for a while - I do hope he hasn't fallen off his bike and hurt himself...

Decal on his helmet -see picture- is from German Heer division. That’s the regular land army...

One side has this decal:



The other side has this decal:



Nothing to do with any SS division.

Or he used the wrong decals, or you were confused.


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[Just Weird]

2 hours ago, revelstone said:

 

A sex toy is not symbolic of the extermination of six million people and the plunging of the world into a war that killed tens of millions more. Don't conflate the two because they're not even close to being in the same league.

 

Are they committing an offence by selling them? Hell, yes. They're sullying the memory of the countless tens of millions of people who died to rid the world of the abomination of Nazism.

 

This attitude is the one that led the German people to ignore their government's crimes against humanity. 

Flamin' heck...it took you 5 weeks to come up with that?

 

You're right about there being no comparison between selling sex toys and Nazi garbage, selling sex toys is illegal, the other isn't.

 

"Are they committing an offence by selling them? Hell, yes".

Er, hell no!  No offence is being committed.

 

"...to rid the world of the abomination of Nazism".

In your naïveté you really think that Nazism was eradicated?

 

"This attitude is the one that led the German people to ignore their government's crimes against humanity". 

No, it's not!  My attitude is one that allows people to legally sell what they want to sell in their own business and if you don't like it you don't have to patronize the business.

 

 

 

 

 

[keithpa]

19 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Flamin' heck...it took you 5 weeks to come up with that?

 

You're right about there being no comparison between selling sex toys and Nazi garbage, selling sex toys is illegal, the other isn't.

 

"Are they committing an offence by selling them? Hell, yes".

Er, hell no!  No offence is being committed.

 

"...to rid the world of the abomination of Nazism".

In your naïveté you really think that Nazism was eradicated?

 

"This attitude is the one that led the German people to ignore their government's crimes against humanity". 

No, it's not!  My attitude is one that allows people to legally sell what they want to sell in their own business and if you don't like it you don't have to patronize the business.

 

 

 

 

 

I look t those disgusting items and i want to go out and start another world war, ,or just kill people. Pull the wings off butterflies.

[NanLaew]

2 hours ago, revelstone said:

 

Indeed. In the case of the market trader, ignorance is a mitigating factor. In the incidents you refer to, there is no mitigating factor. That's why the press so rightly vilified them. 

Ooooooohhh.... vilified by the UK press.

 

I bet that told them eh?

[owl sees all]

On 1/18/2018 at 10:24 AM, Just Weird said:

You haven't made such a song and dance about illegal sex toys being sold so presumably you condone that, do you?

Just what is illegal about cucumbers and handcuffs?

[keithpa]

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Ooooooohhh.... vilified by the UK press.

 

I bet that told them eh?

You think they read the UK press??

 

[phycokiller]

symbols are meaningless unless people are taught what they mean, preferably as children as adults generally dont learn much. expecting non westernerss to understand is like expecting them to speak English. western arrogance. have to get over the fact that the west isnt colonizing Thailand anytime soon as much as expats may wish it.

[Jingthing]

25 minutes ago, phycokiller said:

symbols are meaningless unless people are taught what they mean, preferably as children as adults generally dont learn much. expecting non westernerss to understand is like expecting them to speak English. western arrogance. have to get over the fact that the west isnt colonizing Thailand anytime soon as much as expats may wish it.

I'm not buying that.

Suppose some ignorant Americans set up an open to the wide public vending stand in the U.S. selling something very offensive to Thais. If that happened Thai people there would eventually see it, they would complain very loudly, the Thai embassy would complain very loudly as well, and such a sale would be stopped. Would you call that Thai "colonization" of the USA? Hopefully not, because that would be moronic.

Selling things glorifying Hitler and Nazis on the street is disgusting.

 

On the other hand if it was discreet and online it probably wouldn't be stopped. There is a difference in very BLATANT and PUBLIC displays.

 

 

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Rally123 said:

Absolutely. More and more Indians are visiting Pattaya. It's aimed at them. 

 

Stop trying to stir up something that isn't there.

Your post is both disingenuous and ridiculous. We're not that stupid. Tourists are not that stupid. When they see NAZI swastikas in classic NAZI style designs displayed with heroic photos of Hitler, they don't confuse that with religious paraphernalia. Don't even bother trying that crapola on. Nobody believes it including the people pushing that silliness. It's just a cover for people that like Nazi stuff being sold. 

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Thorgal said:

 

Decal on his helmet -see picture- is from German Heer division. That’s the regular land army...

One side has this decal:



The other side has this decal:



Nothing to do with any SS division.

Or he used the wrong decals, or you were confused.


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"The other side of his helmet has the SS runes, and the front a swastika."

 

I wasn't confused.

[thaibeachlovers]

On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2018 at 3:09 PM, Tariya said:

That's the problem. "Who really cares" and "..."life's just too short" were predominant attitudes that gave rise to the nazi swastika in the first place. What's changed today is the growing neo-nazism in Germany and Switzerland and Eastern Europe is easily bounced around the world via social media. So many disaffected people with so little historical perspective, so much disaffected media with so much irresponsibility. The nazi swastika...the faddist Thai teenager can easily adopt its meaning. Look at Myanmar!  

Seriously? Try learning about why the Nazis came to power and why they were welcomed at first. Everybody cared because they sorted the chaos and gave ordinary Germans hope. The Weimar Republic was a disaster. Even hiso westerners thought Hitler was the cheese.

 

PS, this is not any sort of support for the madman Hitler and his gang of monsters.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, JAG said:

"The other side of his helmet has the SS runes, and the front a swastika."

 

I wasn't confused.

Good grief. It's only a helmet of a style worn by the German army. Lots of countries wore the same one.

They ain't possessed of any evil power, and wearing one doesn't make anyone want to run off and exterminate gypsies.

[owl sees all]

The catholic church has done immesurable evil around the world including supporting Hitler. Most of the SS oficers were praying catholics. Hitler himself was a catholic and thought he was doing god's work.

 

I've read most of the 140 posts on this and their role in the lead up to WW2 seems to have been side-lined. Seems to me the swastika and catholic cross are both cheeks on the same ass. 

[Jingthing]

9 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The catholic church has done immesurable evil around the world including supporting Hitler. Most of the SS oficers were praying catholics. Hitler himself was a catholic and thought he was doing god's work.

 

I've read most of the 140 posts on this and their role in the lead up to WW2 seems to have been side-lined. Seems to me the swastika and catholic cross are both cheeks on the same ass. 

Well you had your say, but sorry, the topic is about Nazi/Hitler stuff, not the Catholic church. Different topic if you dare to open it. 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, TaaSaparot said:

Can only imagine the Guy has had grief if he has to add notices with "Thailand Freedom" and "Thailand, Only Fashion" to his items on sale.

 

Plenty of monsters in that display, but people only getting exercised by the German one. Mao probably killed more people than Hitler, so where is the outrage about him? Fidel Castro and his henchman in death Che both there, but ignored.

Plenty of monsters living now, and I see the picture of one in full view there, but no one is demonstrating against him.

Let's face it, there have been loadsamonsters on the planet, and new one's will be coming, but getting exercised about helmets and symbols....................................

Given my ethnicity I should hate the English as much as some hate Nazis, but time has moved on. I understand why some get stressed about Nazi regalia, but they don't have any right to expect everyone else on here to be as exercised as they about it.

[Just Weird]

1 hour ago, owl sees all said:

Just what is illegal about cucumbers and handcuffs?

No idea but, presumably, not a lot.   Did I say that there was anything illegal about handcuffs and cucumbers?   Sex toys on the other hand are illegal in Thailand.

[owl sees all]

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Well you had your say, but sorry, the topic is about Nazi/Hitler stuff, not the Catholic church. Different topic if you dare to open it. 

Just as you are offended by a swastika many are offended by the catholic church and it's symbols. Hitler and his SS team demonised people with the backing of the catholic church.

 

By the way JT I wouldn't have either in my house.

[Jingthing]

Sex toys never committed industrialized genocide. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, owl sees all said:

Just as you are offended by a swastika many are offended by the catholic church and it's symbols. Hitler and his SS team demonised people with the backing of the catholic church.

 

By the way JT I wouldn't have either in my house.

It seems to me you're trying to hijack the thread. 

[Just Weird]

Just now, Jingthing said:

Sex toys never committed industrialized genocide. 

Did anyone say that they did?  Isn't this about what is legal or illegal in Thailand today?

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

Did anyone say that they did?  Isn't this about what is legal or illegal in Thailand today?

Not exactly. 

We've already established openly selling Hitler/Nazi stuff is legal here. There was never any question about that!

It's well known sex toys aren't (but are still often enough openly sold). 

Just because openly selling Hitler/Nazi stuff is legal doesn't mean it should be happening. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, norrska said:

Nazis are so passe....it's all about Kin Jong Un haircuts these days.  Get with the times people!

Good point. That little man is the leader of a regime that is, IMO, every bit as bad as the Nazis, and his sister was welcomed to the Olympic games. The media even have a bit of a love in with him.

Before I get exercised about some T shirts I'll get exercised by someone actively working to gain the capability of killing millions of people he doesn't like, while starving his own people so he can have more war weapons and live like a king.

[watcharacters]

On 1/18/2018 at 5:40 PM, lamyai3 said:

The greatest threat to Siam in the decades immediately preceding WW2 was colonisation. The British and the French had drawn up agreements on how the territory would be annexed, but once Hitler invaded Poland the whole thing was off the table. Hitler would never have been perceived here in the same way as in the West.

 

Of course, this has little to do with the stuff on sale - world history doesn't feature highly in the school system here and I imagine most locals know barely anything about him at all. 

 

 

I'd sincerely guess the vast majority of Thais have no idea an event called World War II ever even occurred.    

 

"world history doesn't feature highly in the school system here".      Understatement of the  decade.

[Just Weird]

4 hours ago, owl sees all said:

That said about Thailand; what about that UK royal family member who dressed up as a Nazi quite recently?!

Quite recently?  What?  The incident you referred to happened over 13 years ago!

[johng]

4 minutes ago, Just Weird said:

The incident you referred to happened over 13 years ago!

Its extremely recent in Geological and Astronomical terms.