I'm off .. Bye 

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

Que?

73 bhp

50 Ibs ft torque

204 kgs wet weight

is overkill?

I'll tell you what overkill is.

a 1250cc 250 kg 125 bhp GS bus masquerading as a touring bike capable of a bit of off road.

Not only is that overkill, it also contravenes the trades description act.

What's the speed limit for bikes here?

90.

20 hp can do 150kph.

36 minutes ago, papa al said:

What's the speed limit for bikes here?

90.

20 hp can do 150kph.

Speed limit is 120 in the UK, 130 many other places, but people still buy 260 kph bikes.

If the above was true we would all be limited to a CRF250, which is a motorcycle i would not want to do serious mileage on tarmac roads on. Or even worse an M Slaz.

So what about Ready To Race Orange bikes then?

A 1290 KTM with 160 bhp and a cool mil odd Baht?

The Tenere looks like a sensible option, especially for electronics technophobes like myself.

Here's my fave colour scheme.

Only the old Speedblocks/ Kenny Roberts Yellow/Black would better it.

 

2 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

I'm off .. Bye 

Que?

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

Speed limit is 120 in the UK, 130 many other places, but people still buy 260 kph bikes

Why? Prolly ego/status thing.? 

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

So what about Ready To Race Orange bikes then?

Unfamiliar. For racing.? Preference for citrusy colour?   dunno.

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

If the above was true we would all be limited to a CRF250, which is a motorcycle i would not want to do serious mileage on tarmac roads on. Or even worse an M Slaz.

With proper tire & gearing CRF is perfectly adequate.

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Have seen MSlaz cooking along at 120; 2-up & bags.

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

A 1290 KTM with 160 bhp and a cool mil odd Baht?

Whatever fires ones rocket. But overkill.

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

The Tenere looks like a sensible option, especially for electronics technophobes like myself.

Whatever fires your rocket.

Good bike.

papa would need help picking it up when dropped,

but papa pretty puny.

 

I ain't condoning this sort of thing but take a look as some in the Industry are saying this is part of the future of bikes ..
Top bike has a 3D printed frame though still a mock up at this time ..
Bottom one is also said to be 3D printed though that shape would be quite achievable in a conventional machine shop anyway .. The circular shape frame does make a lot of sense from an engineering point of view but is not easy to make aesthetically pleasing shall we say ..
5 axis millers and routers could theoretically make similar to the lattice one though i suspect would be quite time consuming .. 
 

Investment casting perhaps...

At last, the answer to the age old question, what do you give the biker who had everything? 

 

If it comes with a dead wife inside I’ll take two...

TG said a while ago the Brits cannot build an OHC engine, the Triumph is a 1929 prototype, with bevel gear OHC that is as far as it got, then history repeated its self with 350 cc Bandit a lemon.

But Norton with they Manx Norton a DOHC succeeded very successfully, this one is a later pre-1962 

The porn bit look at those exhausts,the noise from that Norton ...........

8 hours ago, kickstart said:

... But Norton with they Manx Norton a DOHC succeeded very successfully, this one is a later pre-1962 

The porn bit look at those exhausts,the noise from that Norton ...........

Meaty, beaty, big and bouncy as we used to say. 

Going back to the Peugeot board track racer with the scale model Gnome et Rhône radial, there were Gnome Rhône motorcycles. 

 

 

After WW1, they got into motorcycles and bicycles in addition to aircraft engines.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnome_et_Rhône

 

8 hours ago, Damrongsak said:

Going back to the Peugeot board track racer with the scale model Gnome et Rhône radial, there were Gnome Rhône motorcycles.

The Rolling Gnomes.

11 hours ago, ballpoint said:

The Rolling Gnomes. 

 

Commissioned by BMW to advertise their new upcoming motor, the R18.

A pushrod 1800cc flat twin.

One Thousand And Eight Hundred cc's.

Two cylinders.

Can you imagine revving it off idle at the traffic lights? And trying to hold on and not flung off hard right?

IMHO it makes the Triumph Bobber look like a Dinky toy, and another nail in the HD coffin.

Stunning, just stunning.

Retro Heritage is an oft used term but in this case....

If the production model  looks just 75% like this i will sell my left testicle and remortgage the land, house, wife, anything.

Commissioned by BMW to advertise their new upcoming motor, the R18.
A pushrod 1800cc flat twin.
One Thousand And Eight Hundred cc's.
Two cylinders.
Can you imagine revving it off idle at the traffic lights? And trying to hold on and not flung off hard right?
IMHO it makes the Triumph Bobber look like a Dinky toy, and another nail in the HD coffin.
Stunning, just stunning.
Retro Heritage is an oft used term but in this case....
If the production model  looks just 75% like this i will sell my left testicle and remortgage the land, house, wife, anything.

What is meant by a “flat twin”?

Surely it not flat heads?

23 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

What is meant by a “flat twin”?

Surely it not flat heads?

 

Horizontally opposed pistons (boxer engine).

Another nice BMW bobber.  Based on a 1950 R51/2

Not porn, but definitely bike related.  A member of the Royal Enfield riders club mishears when someone asks to see a stunt on his bike:

TT practice has started and, combining that with one of the thread's favourite pieces of machinery, here's 16x podium finisher, Guy Martin, talking about what really gets him excited:

 

On 5/24/2019 at 1:03 PM, Justgrazing said:

I'm off .. Bye 

I think JG has left the room but not the building.

Is it something i said JG?

Please come back JG, here's summat (and 115 Ibs ft torque) just for you;

 

 

Love,

 TG...

 

 

When i was a kid i had a Harley a whopping 65cc this when AMF had bought HD out. Mine never looked his good and well while it did run was really a piece of junk  

 

 

TT week again .. One of the great sporting occasions .. Good luck and keep it between the hedges to all the riders over the next week .. 

Top to bottom .. 

Dean Harrison who led the Senior until the final 2 sectors of last years race until Pete Hickman nicked it with the truly mind boggling lap record of 135.4 mph ave speed .. 

 

Fogarty on the OW01 Yam' in the '92 Senior .. Considered a shoe in for the win on essentially a dedicated semi factory bike they had figured Steve Hislop on the hand built Rotary Norton wouldn't last the distance .. What followed is still considered the greatest TT race ever .. The Norton on some parts of the track was nearly 20 mph faster than the Yam' and the Fog rode the Yam that hard that it was falling apart at the flag literally .. But to no avail .. T'was a monumental achievement by Hizzy and the Norton lads ..

 

ITV4 have done a week of hourly prog's on the build up and history of the TT that are still available on their version of the IPlayer so are easily accessible .. Worth a watch they are .. 

 

Great article in the business section of the bangkok Post about the Janus Motorcycle manufactured in Goshen, Indiana. Each bike is built and assembled by hand by local crafts people. They do buy a 300cc engine manufactured in China. They hand build all of the frames and other parts. The bike looks a bit like those built back in the 20s and 30s

2T

 

The winners of the first ever Isle of Man TT, held in 1907:

 

Twin cylinder (plus pedals):

 

Unfortunately, there seems to be no photo of the single cylinder winner, a Matchless, other than this postage stamp:

New Norton Superlight 650 .. 

In the words of Norton boss Stuart Gardner in essence half of the 1200 V4 with a bit more on the bores the rest is pretty much the same .. 

We don't often do full bodywork bikes but take the time on this one to look at the weave on the carbon fibre .. The wheel rims are also said to be C F .. T'is of the highest order as is the rest of the bike ( check out that top yoke ) .. which is why they are 20,000 quid .. if you can find one as the first bikes are already sold .. 

Norton are in the chair at the mo' with advance orders on most of the range not only in Britain but overseas .. and they are doing it the old fashioned way as most of a bike is hand built .. Its labour intensive but as numerous bike and car makers have shown if its good kit then people will pay .. 

This bike will be running in the TT Superlight class later this week with Pete Hickman as jock' and I think John McGuiness is on the 1200 in the Senior though I gotta check on that .. 

 

 

Atlas Ranger and Nomad using engine from the Superlight above .. These are also said to be in demand as well .. 

Trying to find a better shot of the Ranger .. 

 

Steve Hislops Senior TT winning Rotary .. Put together by a small team of dedicated bro's some of who did it without pay .. Very little test time before the TT and Hislop as pilot wasn't confirmed until days before the event so even less shakedown test time .. Always known to be close to the edge on the fuel consumption front they dare not richen it up to help with the engine cooling for fear of it running out of gas so they had to run it lean which only increases the heat output and put it closer to seizure territory .. Crew chief said when it pitted for fuel and tyres they had to be extremely careful with fuelling it and not touching the exhaust when changing the rear wheel as the pipe temp was over a 1000c whereas you're usual four banger pipe will register 700/800'ish .. Once it got to the second stop the chief thought " well it ain't blown up yet so we might make it " ..

Timed at 190 mph over the top it blitzed the the rest on top speed with the unearthly scream only rotary's make along with their trademark popping and banging on the over-run .. 

Along with the likes of the Britten thou' and Hailwood's Duke a legend of a bike this .. 

 

 

 

 

1939 Velocette supercharged reverse twin .. 

 

Some more recent TT shots .. 

 

12 hours ago, Justgrazing said:

Atlas Ranger and Nomad using engine from the Superlight above .. These are also said to be in demand as well .. 

Trying to find a better shot of the Ranger .. 

 

Just had a read on these.

650cc parallel twin with a 270 degree crank.

Same head as offa the V4.

85 bhp @ 11,000 rpm and 47 Ib ft torque.

9,995 GBP for the base model and 11 odd k for the one with a high front mudguard and a sump plate..

An XSR700 (686cc) makes 73 bhp @ 9,000 rpm, 50 Ib ft of torque and it's EVERYWHERE and is 3 grand (3000k!) cheaper.

Sounds like the Norton will not have as flat and linear torque curve with that bhp at those revs as the Yam.

As yer average punter struggling to pay the rent, which one are you gonna buy?

Norton are "hoping" with these two Atlas models to get total factory production up to 5000 models pa, with selling 2,000 of the combined models pa.

Yamaha have sold in excess of 150,000 units of the MT07 / XSR 700 in Europe alone since 2014.

Much as i love my old Nortons and pretty much everything that ever came out of Bracebridge Street, and i have a F##k Off big Norton N tattoo to prove it, and i wish Stuart every success with the modern Norton name & concern, it is still small beer and a hand assembled elite, bespoke type bike.

Possibly similar to Lotus in the car world.

I wish them well, and the bikes certainly look great, but they are never going to be world players, certainly not on the 6 figures scale Triumph are competing in.

 

ps, anybody wanna sell me a new 961 Commando? ????

 

 

 

Uncanny similarity?

 

The Atlas also has got a bit of a Ducati Scrambler look about it IMO...

4 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

Just had a read on these.

650cc parallel twin with a 270 degree crank.

Same head as offa the V4.

85 bhp @ 11,000 rpm and 47 Ib ft torque.

9,995 GBP for the base model and 11 odd k for the one with a high front mudguard and a sump plate..

An XSR700 (686cc) makes 73 bhp @ 9,000 rpm, 50 Ib ft of torque and it's EVERYWHERE and is 3 grand (3000k!) cheaper.

Sounds like the Norton will not have as flat and linear torque curve with that bhp at those revs as the Yam.

As yer average punter struggling to pay the rent, which one are you gonna buy?

Norton are "hoping" with these two Atlas models to get total factory production up to 5000 models pa, with selling 2,000 of the combined models pa.

Yamaha have sold in excess of 150,000 units of the MT07 / XSR 700 in Europe alone since 2014.

Much as i love my old Nortons and pretty much everything that ever came out of Bracebridge Street, and i have a F##k Off big Norton N tattoo to prove it, and i wish Stuart every success with the modern Norton name & concern, it is still small beer and a hand assembled elite, bespoke type bike.

Possibly similar to Lotus in the car world.

I wish them well, and the bikes certainly look great, but they are never going to be world players, certainly not on the 6 figures scale Triumph are competing in.

 

ps, anybody wanna sell me a new 961 Commando? ????

 

 

 

The Atlas also has got a bit of a Ducati Scrambler look about it IMO...

Oh for sure I don't think S G is under any illusions that he can't pick a fight with Japan and Italy which is why they do seem to be aiming at the well off weekend fella's with the allure of a iconic name on a virtually hand built bike .. That it can't compete on the numbers with the Yam' and probably the Ducati also is probably not of huge concern to the market its aimed at .. And they are out there .. the range of big new breed Triumph twins is being bought by a lot of dudes who wouldn't consider anything other but want a Trumpet because it has that badge on the tank .. The way I see it near 40 yrs ago our bike manufacturing industry was to all intents and purposes just about dead .. the undertaker was at the door .. Now we have Triumph , Norton and Brough back and if they can sort out the ownership of the BSA name they'll be back also .. Some of them like the Brough are not really real world to us and in some ways are object'd àrt with a lot ending up in collection's or peoples sitting rooms but those who go for these bikes care not a jot that its mostly made in France .. what they want is a bike that bears a legendary name .. In the auto world a similar position prevails .. Rolls Royce sales are through the roof particularly in the middle and far East .. Buyers of these probably have little idea that a lot of it is made in Germany and shipped to Britain for that authentic " made in Britain " feel .. What they want is the RR badge .. same Bentley owned by V W .. 

Having seen the Ducati I concur that the Norton does bear a similarity that flat seat style being the latest fashion ..