UK's Labour says it will back call for second Brexit referendum

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30 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Watched a BBC documentary series recently (I've mentioned it before, so I won't mention it again). The last episode dealt with just that issue. It followed the migrants from Syria to Germany. Why did they go to Germany? Because they wanted to, it was their preferred choice. Not all migrants want to come to the UK, an urban myth, most want to go to other European countries, Germany, Sweden etc.

 

It takes a good number of years to convert a Shengen passport to a German passport, by that time, they will be settled in Germany, jobs there, kids at school there. They will have zero desire to up sticks again and move to the UK. Why would they?

A Schengen passport? From the United States of Schengen?

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1 minute ago, Spidey said:

They do in Germany and Sweden. That's why most of them go there.

as they do in the UK,but most will prefer germany as its usually more welcoming and next door to hungary,italy,austria where they have often came from,they will also think their prospects better for work once settled,they get no sympathy in the likes of france,spain,italy,hungary etc,these countries are not forced by the EU to give them anything or very little,countries are still independent to do as they wish despite what brexiteers will tell you,america and the UK are hugely to blame for the syrian people anyway.

[Spidey]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

A Schengen passport? From the United States of Schengen?

The UK never has been, isn't and never will be party to the Schengen Agreement.

[billd766]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Nothing to do with me chief. Blame the government of remainers who fail to understand why they are in power and who put them there. 

 

Blind Freddie's dog could do a better job than shower.

Blind Freddie's dog could do a better job than this shower.

 

Sorry for the correction.

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6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Better not to take that chance, eh?

so brexit has a chance of working,what chance? 1% or 2%   whoops i forgot its not going to happen,MPs dont want it,thats why we voted for them,pure democracy if ever i saw it

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5 minutes ago, Spidey said:

The UK never has been, isn't and never will be party to the Schengen Agreement.

Stay in and beware! Vetoes, rebates and opt-outs have been sold off like hot cakes before and the same would happen again, especially under the likes of Blair and May. 

[Loiner]

The UK never has been, isn't and never will be party to the Schengen Agreement.

So says somebody on TVF. You have no idea, which is pretty obvious from your whole Remain outlook.
Once we are firmly trapped in the EU, Schengen will be forced upon us. Before that Merkel’s million will be distributed ‘fairly’ amongst the other countries.
The gimmigrant free flow through Europe is already the conduit to Calais. Next stop a Kent beach. Get half way and dial 999 the UK coast guard will come to collect you!



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[Loiner]

a german problem for germans to deal with,iam sure they arent concerned about the grooming gangs in gods county whoops yorkshire,

Another 9 of them guilty in Bradford this week. Their supporters have taken to threatening legal staff too. All home grown but no need to import more.


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20 minutes ago, bomber said:

so brexit has a chance of working,what chance? 1% or 2%   whoops i forgot its not going to happen,MPs dont want it,thats why we voted for them,pure democracy if ever i saw it

You avoid the point every time. Bombs awaaaaay!

[Loiner]

no deal alone will make imports more expensive as the will drop,then add on the paperwork/extra customs costs,its a no brainer and nothing to do with project fear its basic economics and reality that even the clowns in the BoE can see unlike the dreamer brexiteers. 

For the hard of understanding (you):
Some imports will be cheaper because the will not have the EU tariff imposed on them.
No duty = cheaper, even more basic economics.


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[Spidey]

1 minute ago, Loiner said:

For the hard of understanding (you):
Some imports will be cheaper because the will not have the EU tariff imposed on them.
No duty = cheaper, even more basic economics.


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No they will have WTO tariffs imposed on them. Higher tariffs = more duty. Tariffs 101.

[Loiner]

experts get it wrong as we all know,but when its 80-90% of them i would have to agree with them over the man down spoonies wearing an england shirt and bulldogs tattooed on his neck.

Why do I get the feeling you’re something very similar to him? Maybe without the Union Jack romper suit. I’m having difficulties imagining you holding court with like minded individuals though.


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[Scott]

Inflammatory post and reply removed.   Please keep it civil and on topic. 

[Nigel Garvie]

2 hours ago, nontabury said:

But yet your quite happy to see your money end up in Brussels. For the benefit of citizens of the E.u.  Instead of it remaining in the U.k for the benefits of your fellow Brits.

If you are not British, which is possible, from reading your post. Then I apologize for my comment.

Well yes, I am perfectly happy to see my £143 per year (UK average) contribution go to Brussels. It is mainly the cost of trade which benefits us all enormously and makes my contribution inconsequential compared to what I get back. When food and other costs start going up we will look back and realize that the cost of one or two trips to the supermarket, could have saved us from disaster.

 

[melvinmelvin]

 

Conversion of a Schengen passport to a German was mentioned above.

What does that mean actually?

 

Sweden was mentioned as an attractive country.

It is not only because of the benefits me thinks but also that getting a passport in Sweden

is simpler and takes less time than in many other European countries.

(except Cyprus, where you can buy passports off the shelf)

 

 

[Loiner]

your dream of a no deal is slim,too many experts,businesses and MPs dont want it,8 billion is a small price to pay considering the damage it would cause,its took 2.5 years to sink in but we are getting there at last,the dream has probably cost the UK more than 8 billion pounds and inflicted 17 million broken hearts on the dreamers,never mind you wont get another chance again at your age.

You are too bitter and twisted about UK to think clearly about anything. Yes the politicians and elites are still trying to avoid Brexit but even after 2.5 years have still not quite managed it. What do think has sunk in - certainly nothing amongst Leavers?
8 Bn is the annual UK contribution, not just a small price to pay. 39 Bn plus maybe more to have BRINO is a rip off. How do you calculate your costs?
As for my age, well it’s blindingly obvious that you have as much idea about me as you do economics.


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[Nigel Garvie]

55 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Stay in and beware! Vetoes, rebates and opt-outs have been sold off like hot cakes before and the same would happen again, especially under the likes of Blair and May. 

We negotiated rebates, opt-outs and vetoes many times before, if we remain one of the big countries in the EU why can't we do that again? You may have forgotten you anti paranoia pills if you imagine that all of a sudden we will be unable to do these things we did before.

As a US newspaper put it "Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically, while threatening to blow it's own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country".

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1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Stay in and beware! Vetoes, rebates and opt-outs have been sold off like hot cakes before and the same would happen again, especially under the likes of Blair and May. 

Blair is history and May is soon to be,dont get paranoid tommy wont sign us up to it.

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44 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Why do I get the feeling you’re something very similar to him? Maybe without the Union Jack romper suit. I’m having difficulties imagining you holding court with like minded individuals though.


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you get them feelings because its what you want to feel,its called dreaming.

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50 minutes ago, Spidey said:

No they will have WTO tariffs imposed on them. Higher tariffs = more duty. Tariffs 101.

loiner doesnt understand,bless him

[CG1 Blue]

1 hour ago, bomber said:

asylum seekers get big benefits here thats why they risk it,in france,spain,greece etc they dont,these are not EU migrant workers you need to learn the difference along with the other 17 million,

So we're discussing the ability of Merkel's asylum seekers to enter the UK once they get their EU passports, and for some reason you equate that to EU migrant workers, and tell ME I need to learn the difference. Oh the irony. 

I'm so glad you're on the Remain side of the debate. Grouse must cringe every time you obliterate his theory...

[CG1 Blue]

9 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

We negotiated rebates, opt-outs and vetoes many times before, if we remain one of the big countries in the EU why can't we do that again? You may have forgotten you anti paranoia pills if you imagine that all of a sudden we will be unable to do these things we did before.

As a US newspaper put it "Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically, while threatening to blow it's own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country".

But is the UK a big country in the EU and one of the richest democracies in the world, or is it a weak inferior country unable to make it's own way in the world after Brexit? You can't have it both ways. 

And also, if Brexit were to somehow be scrapped it's certain that our influence on the EU will be changed forever, now the cat is out of the bag (i.e. now they know half of the UK want out of the EU).  

 

 

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3 minutes ago, CG1 Blue said:

So we're discussing the ability of Merkel's asylum seekers to enter the UK once they get their EU passports, and for some reason you equate that to EU migrant workers, and tell ME I need to learn the difference. Oh the irony. 

I'm so glad you're on the Remain side of the debate. Grouse must cringe every time you obliterate his theory...

iam well aware of the difference,i personally dont like asylum seekers as up until the syrian war most were false as are most african arrivals,there are many genuine syrain's though,i have nothing against EU migrant workers at all as they are doing the jobs benefit scrounging brits wont do.

[Loiner]

As a US newspaper put it "Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically, while threatening to blow it's own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country".

The problem is not with populism. You ought to substitute babbling with chattering, because it’s the chattering classes that are doing this to the country. They are the ones who support the political elite and are under the impression they are part of it.
Not so much of blowing kneecaps off, as laying down for a masochistic punishment beating. This is what liberalism and remainwashing does to them.


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1 hour ago, Loiner said:

You are too bitter and twisted about UK to think clearly about anything. Yes the politicians and elites are still trying to avoid Brexit but even after 2.5 years have still not quite managed it. What do think has sunk in - certainly nothing amongst Leavers?
8 Bn is the annual UK contribution, not just a small price to pay. 39 Bn plus maybe more to have BRINO is a rip off. How do you calculate your costs?
As for my age, well it’s blindingly obvious that you have as much idea about me as you do economics.


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Better off staying in 

What the experts say - Britain Stronger In Europe.html

[Loiner]

I'm so glad you're on the Remain side of the debate. Grouse must cringe every time you obliterate his theory...

He has many similarities to Grouse but sem o vocabulário.


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[Loiner]

iam well aware of the difference,i personally dont like asylum seekers as up until the syrian war most were false as are most african arrivals,there are many genuine syrain's though,i have nothing against EU migrant workers at all as they are doing the jobs benefit scrounging brits wont do.

They’re ALL false, Up to, during, and after the Syrian civil war. The UK has absolutely no responsibility for hordes of young men turning up on our shores, claiming to be refugees or asylum seekers, from Syria, Africa or anywhere else.
Do you employ EU migrants or something?


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2 hours ago, bomber said:

IMF,BoE,80% of MPs,90% of businesses,govt of Japan,the EU,majority of WORKING people in the UK,the currency traders just for starters.

 

What the experts say - Britain Stronger In Europe.html

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5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

They’re ALL false, Up to, during, and after the Syrian civil war. The UK has absolutely no responsibility for hordes of young men turning up on our shores, claiming to be refugees or asylum seekers, from Syria, Africa or anywhere else.
Do you employ EU migrants or something?


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i agree asylum seekers we can do without,but the govt you have so much faith in and want to give all power to isnt capable of keeping them out despite being an island.EU workers/migrants i have no issue's with.

[melvinmelvin]

1 hour ago, Nigel Garvie said:

We negotiated rebates, opt-outs and vetoes many times before, if we remain one of the big countries in the EU why can't we do that again? You may have forgotten you anti paranoia pills if you imagine that all of a sudden we will be unable to do these things we did before.

As a US newspaper put it "Britain is one of the richest and most advanced democracies in the world. It is currently locked in a room, babbling away to itself hysterically, while threatening to blow it's own kneecaps off. This is what nationalist populism does to a country".

interesting getting that lesson from the US of A