Almost denied at Suvarnabhumi airport

[NightSky]

1 hour ago, Tayaout said:

I won't give details but they do offer "worry free" entry at some BKK airport now. It's disgusting but not surprising. 

Why won’t you give details. Is it because the worry free entry is to show the correct visa and passport.

[BuckBee]

1 hour ago, madmen said:

Just quoting stats. So many trolls reporting IO screaming.
.. You go we not want you here..what total complete nonsense!

it not nonsense, i heard similar and worse more than once ...
It been going on for years but only just got constantly bad at bkk airports over last 18 months .

[lkv]

8 minutes ago, BuckBee said:

it not nonsense, i heard similar and worse more than once ...
It been going on for years but only just got constantly bad at bkk airports over last 18 months .

There is no denial of that, the best stories are built around true and credible events.

 

It's the scale of it I am trying to work out, and that's what is prone to easily being distorted .

 

Again, not suggesting people don't get rejected. I have seen them take a guy with my own eyes at DMK about a year ago. Not sure if he got rejected or what happened after, but they took him from the desk and walked him somewhere else.

Edited August 31, 2019 by lkv

[donnacha]

15 minutes ago, NightSky said:

Why won’t you give details. Is it because the worry free entry is to show the correct visa and passport.

Given the situation we are discussing - in which real people are having their real lives and real relationships disrupted by completely unnecessary bureaucracy that is damaging real Thai incomes all over the country - your smug, self-satisfied contribution is both irrelevant and vicious.

You are also incorrect. They are increasingly rejecting visitors with valid tourist visas and passports too.

You may be in the fortunate position of having a retirement or marriage visa, but don't get too complacent, don't presume that your status is protected by Thai self-interest. This government has shown itself to be entirely willing to cut off its own nose.

 

Edited August 31, 2019 by donnacha

[holy cow cm]

18 minutes ago, lkv said:

Right. So I'd rather be skeptical than naive. Not saying you are, so don't misunderstand what I am saying. It's safer for me not to believe all I read and to question, even though some may find it offensive. Otherwise, I risk getting a distorted picture. And it affects decisions.

Yes indeed and not just about reading. I think first radar for foreigners here is derived from the nefarious bar girl stories and scene. Taking that for face value is a no no, and then also learning or realizing that it is not actually a smile, but is really maybe a conditioned mouth positioning to resemble a smile. Smirk now is what I see before that of sayin - ok, it's authentic and a real smle

[Puchaiyank]

Don´t deserve being threatened, being treated as a criminal, 

 

This appears to be more and more frequent with folks entering Thailand.  Not going to end well for this country if they do not change their attitude toward their paying guests...????

[BuckBee]

2 hours ago, lkv said:

There is no denial of that, the best stories are built around true and credible events.

 

It's the scale of it I am trying to work out, and that's what is prone to easily being distorted .

 

Again, not suggesting people don't get rejected. I have seen them take a guy with my own eyes at DMK about a year ago. Not sure if he got rejected or what happened after, but they took him from the desk and walked him somewhere else.

Well I witnessed and been directly involved in some pretty horrible levels of professionalism at bkk airports and a land border .

People here go on about rules and your rights but potentially you got no rights as next to impossible enforce much of them and as anyone knows rules mean nothing here as bend them as they like.

I witnessed a black french man getting all sorts of grief and what they calling him in thai language pretty shocking, poor guy didn't have a chance mitigate as simply blanked him when he pressing his circumstances/rights and all he got back was  insults .

Airports on whole use to be more western acceptable standards (less coruption, sensible staff and rules) but that has changed and it not so much changes but lack of rule clarity and unprofessionalism of most of the IO's that the issue .
Amazes me that most of these OI's can't even speak half decent english, don't expect them be great but you would expect be part of job requirements ! English not my first language but it the worlds universal language unless in thailand !

Seems current main higher ranking IO requirement is being a nationalist with a potty mouth ....

Edited August 31, 2019 by BuckBee

[JamJar]

2 hours ago, lkv said:

There is no denial of that, the best stories are built around true and credible events.

 

It's the scale of it I am trying to work out, and that's what is prone to easily being distorted .

 

Again, not suggesting people don't get rejected. I have seen them take a guy with my own eyes at DMK about a year ago. Not sure if he got rejected or what happened after, but they took him from the desk and walked him somewhere else.

 

I got taken aside to a side desk once. I opened my phone and showed some of my friends on Facebook and LINE and told they were expecting to see me.

They acquiesced to my polite requests.

 

[bigginhill]

13 minutes ago, JamJar said:

 

I got taken aside to a side desk once. I opened my phone and showed some of my friends on Facebook and LINE and told they were expecting to see me.

They acquiesced to my polite requests.

 

You showed them you had Thai friends waiting for you? On line and facebook, and that resolved the entry? Not sure that I understand why that works 

[lkv]

18 minutes ago, bigginhill said:

You showed them you had Thai friends waiting for you? On line and facebook, and that resolved the entry? Not sure that I understand why that works 

Yeah, it should work when you happen to know someone more relevant, and quote their name. Especially some Police General Colonel something. Or others in higher places, business people etc. That's what he likely meant.

Edited August 31, 2019 by lkv

[JamJar]

4 minutes ago, lkv said:

Yeah, it should work when you happen to know someone more relevant, and quote their name. Especially some Police General Colonel something. Or others in higher places. That's what he likely meant.

 

Thereabouts...

[Tayaout]

3 hours ago, NightSky said:

Why won’t you give details. Is it because the worry free entry is to show the correct visa and passport.

Because talking too much on TV usually burn these opportunities and it's not my business. I have the correct visa but the reason I was quoted 3500 is that obviously someone I know is pocketing 500. 

 

I don't think they will let you in if you can't in theory. I guess you need at least to be eligible for VE or have a tourist visa. 

 

BTW the same thing is going on at some embassy to get visa without denial. 

Edited August 31, 2019 by Tayaout

[gunderhill]

6 hours ago, Farangland said:

he was quite arrogant and rude

Seems a  lot think like this.

[gunderhill]

6 hours ago, Farangland said:

Thought about making a complaint with my embassy, writting this to media back in my country

Yep go ahead and do it  keep up the pressure on them along with the TM30 this is what they will really dislike.

[gunderhill]

5 hours ago, yogi100 said:

She was very rude and aggressive the whole time  before slamming his passport on the desk and telling him with a snarl to 'Go'. 

Have had similar before when doing an extension of stay one time.

[gunderhill]

5 hours ago, Martyp said:

First of all you have a long history of travel here so you should carry the 20,000 baht so that is not an issue. I'm sure you can find a way to carry it on your person safely. 

 

Second, it looks bad to say you are a tourist but you are renting a place to stay and have a landlady who knows all about you. It makes you look like you are living here rather than being a tourist. 

I know a tourist who has bought a  condo here, they come every 2-3  months they have BIG  jobs in London, Vice Presidents of a  major bank, they help children's  homes here a  LOT.

So they buy a Thai condo bringing money into Thailand and help a children's  home with large contributions at least 4 times per year as they themselves never to have children, they also travel extensively and stay in expensive hotels. 

Thais are nuts to turn  these  people away. 

Wonder what work they think these people are  possibly doing? as let's  be honest nosey Thais would report anything if they saw a foreigner working out in the open.

[gunderhill]

5 hours ago, Tanoshi said:

He showed 700 USD, which is more than 20,000 BHT.

Other reports of them not asking anything about money at  all then stamping  them out  with a  "not funds" stamp refused entry.

[gunderhill]

5 hours ago, lkv said:

If i create a new username and a sad story within the next 30 minutes, will you feel compassionate for me?

 

The other one on the DMK drama thread claims he's British, 32. Have you looked at his English?

As far as I'm concerned I don't  care if true or not, what it  will do is  raise the issue in foreign press  hopefully and  maybe Thailand will sit  up and notice.

[chainarong]

Yeah, operate out of Malaysia or even Cambodia if you want to look around Sth East Asia.

[gunderhill]

4 hours ago, SpanishExpat said:

The problems at the airports are the cameras

Being  led  away  to another  area is useful though.

[dcnx]

6 hours ago, La Migra said:

So you paid a bribe to a government official?

New here?

[Sticky Wicket]

6 hours ago, yogi100 said:

My friend had a similar experience when he arrived in the LOS a few weeks ago. He was detained at the airport and interrogated in an office for 40 minutes.

 

He's retired and has regular holidays in Pattaya. The incident has made him look at Thailand in a completely different light. He stays in the Metropole Hotel in Pattaya and is not slow when it comes to spending his money.

 

The female IO suspected and accused him of working in the LOS. She was very rude and aggressive the whole time  before slamming his passport on the desk and telling him with a snarl to 'Go'. 

The number of Westerners working illegally in Thailand must be minuscule . It's just pure hatred and xenophobia

[gunderhill]

3 hours ago, lkv said:

There is no denial of that, the best stories are built around true and credible events.

 

It's the scale of it I am trying to work out, and that's what is prone to easily being distorted .

 

Again, not suggesting people don't get rejected. I have seen them take a guy with my own eyes at DMK about a year ago. Not sure if he got rejected or what happened after, but they took him from the desk and walked him somewhere else.

To  that easypay room.

[gunderhill]

1 hour ago, BuckBee said:

Well I witnessed and been directly involved in some pretty horrible levels of professionalism at bkk airports and a land border .

People here go on about rules and your rights but potentially you got no rights as next to impossible enforce much of them and as anyone knows rules mean nothing here as bend them as they like.

I witnessed a black french man getting all sorts of grief and what they calling him in thai language pretty shocking, poor guy didn't have a chance mitigate as simply blanked him when he pressing his circumstances/rights and all he got back was  insults .

Airports on whole use to be more western acceptable standards (less coruption, sensible staff and rules) but that has changed and it not so much changes but lack of rule clarity and unprofessionalism of most of the IO's that the issue .
Amazes me that most of these OI's can't even speak half decent english, don't expect them be great but you would expect be part of job requirements ! English not my first language but it the worlds universal language unless in thailand !

Seems current main higher ranking IO requirement is being a nationalist with a potty mouth ....

In the last 6  months I was personally involved with  the appalling treatment of a Japanese guy, Very respectable  good  job own company employing many Thais, ended up in detention has now left, closed the company and taken company out of Thailand to the Phillipines, it was part of a much  bigger Japanese company.

Immigration wouldn't know a god guy if it slapped them round the face with a  million baht.

[lkv]

15 minutes ago, gunderhill said:

It's an ENGLISH forum.

Thailand for years, yes and  never had a problem, but NOW things are changing.

Rarely  posting again, maybe they have nothing else to complain about and inf fact like/liked Thailand  thinking this sort of behaviour was previously isolated or nonsense until it  happened to them, 

Many UK residents cannot speak English at  all especially before the introduction of the newish  rules for residency, especially some older Pakistanis, I have friends  whose parents  came h to the UK and don't  speak any English, doesn't make them  bad and they contributed a lot to the UK.

Good. I hope I get to see also the NTL stamp and the other one that says he is not entitled to visa exempt anymore 

 

So i hope he is kind enough to come back and share them.

[gunderhill]

7 minutes ago, Sticky Wicket said:

The number of Westerners working illegally in Thailand must be minuscule . It's just pure hatred and xenophobia

Also you try and  find Thais  willing to work in the fields, they are  getting lazy.

[gunderhill]

1 minute ago, lkv said:

Good. I hope I get to see also the NTL stamp and the other one that says he is not entitled to visa exempt anymore 

 

So i hope he is kind enough to come back and share them.

As is  often the case ,many interesting stories are not  followed up, just  like Thai Visas reporting  of  cases regarding many other non immigration related  things, we never get to see the outcome months later.

[jacko45k]

6 hours ago, Martyp said:

First of all you have a long history of travel here so you should carry the 20,000 baht so that is not an issue. I'm sure you can find a way to carry it on your person safely.

He stated he had 700 $US, which is 20,000 baht equivalent. You should read carefully before giving instruction. 

[lkv]

Just now, gunderhill said:

As is  often the case ,many interesting stories are not  followed up, just  like Thai Visas reporting  of  cases regarding many other non immigration related  things, we never get to see the outcome months later.

Ok well then we'll just wait for more reports to substantiate things and not just believe stamps indicating no more visa exempt without enough evidence.

 

Based on one report, of one new poster, claiming he's British.

 

Sounds fair?

[jacko45k]

6 hours ago, White Christmas13 said:

I thought 20.000 is for a family 10.000 is for a single person

For a 30 day Visa exempt, I believe OP said something about a 60 day stay so assume a Tourist Visa.